I’m thinking there must be other ways. For instance all clubs and parents doing a course or watching a video on respect or at minor league level adding a responsibility to the coaches to control parents. There are a number of creative solutions I think and thank you I’ll bear that in mind when and if he needs some proper advice rather than my nonsenseTrouble is Pete at the stage of new Referees being selected for and then enrolling on the course, many are told of mentors etc being available during those oh so nervous first few games. It never happens and the main reason is the Referees that are willing to make themselves available as a “mentor” are on fixtures aswell. We all know there is a shortage but this is also the vicious circle. I am actually on the mentorship/observer course which helps the next generation of referees so if your lad ever needs any help etc just let me know.
Hats off to him for putting himself forward-as we know the best referees are all in the stand…..
FFS!! not this poisoned dwarf again, can't stand the fucker.
Don’t expect the games with a mentor. There’s also follow up sessionsThere are large numbers of people who are interested and want to become referees though the Birmingham FA can't run enough course's to cater for everyone.
As soon as one's released (in Coventry) its booked within minute's. Number's are around 25, the majority is online learning then around 12 hours classroom, followed by 6 games with a mentor.
Doing mine in January £130.
Let’s hope he shows me I’m wrong tonight hill, but I don’t think he willThe problem is what we are brought up to think as football fans.
I was taught that the referee is a wanker when I was 5, stood on my seat in the west terrace.
When you play the ref is always wrong even when you know they are right. Until that changes, and I highly doubt it will. We will eventually end up with no refs at amateur level.
See below.
The RA is a bit of a double edged sword-as a Referee I should be proactive in promoting it but also see it for what is-a business. Can be helpful though as a member and it can be beneficial when starting out to discuss with others about games/incidents etc.That’s my mind made up I’m gonna get involved in the two local leagues and attempt to change some of the rules around parent expectations and roles and responsibilities of clubs coaches and parents
Also I was wrong earlier the guys at Coventry referees association have been welcoming supportive and encouraging and concerned for him, they are a credit to themselves in all this
Oh no that’s a shameThe RA is a bit of a double edged sword-as a Referee I should be proactive in promoting it but also see it for what is-a business. Can be helpful though as a member and it can be beneficial when starting out to discuss with others about games/incidents etc.
I have also known of colleagues who when they needed the RA most (which is why members pay an annual fee to join) the help just wasn’t there.
I’m hoping that your son may have a different experience with them. To be fair the Cov lot seem to be a bit more organized than the old boys club that I would attend at Stratford and Leamington. Is Will Doyle still involved?Oh no that’s a shame
Yep but younger people involved bringing it into the present dayI’m hoping that your son may have a different experience with them. To be fair the Cov lot seem to be a bit more organized than the old boys club that I would attend at Stratford and Leamington. Is Will Doyle still involved?
Let’s hope he shows me I’m wrong tonight hill, but I don’t think he will
The problem is what we are brought up to think as football fans.
I was taught that the referee is a wanker when I was 5, stood on my seat in the west terrace.
When you play the ref is always wrong even when you know they are right. Until that changes, and I highly doubt it will. We will eventually end up with no refs at amateur level.
See below.
Yep ok hill, he got the important decision correct. Have a Happy Christmas lads and lasses
The problem is what we are brought up to think as football fans.
I was taught that the referee is a wanker when I was 5, stood on my seat in the west terrace.
When you play the ref is always wrong even when you know they are right. Until that changes, and I highly doubt it will. We will eventually end up with no refs at amateur level.
See below.
I have been on for years about getting acadamy kids to have to do ref courses. I would actually make it a necessity to be able to sign pro fessional forms. I would start the 15-16 year olds reffing younger kids. hopefully the consequence of that would be the younger kids(and their parents) would respect the ref as actually they themselves would be looking at them hoping that they woud be at the acadamy in their place in a few years. It is a big step but evolution would then lead to more and more palyers actually knowing the laws of the game, realising that reffing isnt that easy, giving more respect would then be automatic making reffing a little easier and in those circumstances more would want to actually do it possibly professionally. Should and could be a win win.... I will kep hoping that one day the powers that be would at least discuss and tryThat’s a really good point about academy trainees doing reffing as part of their football education.
I have to say that football as a whole has a real problem if my 15 year olds experience is replicated up and down the country.
Coaches are 50/50 about supporting young refs, parents are about 30/70 in their awareness of the need to support and encourage young referees.
Safeguarding is an utter joke
@Adge really interested in how to make a meaningful difference in this as I’m shocked at the lack of awareness from people in and around the local under age games
50% of young refs give up within 12 months.
The fa has not even phoned or emailed to check how he’s doing
Coaches are as quick to challenge every decision as parents and it’s against the grain for a coach to go out their way to make things easier for him
The ref secretaries are good especially in the Saturday morning league which is just below academy level.
If you don’t look after those youngsters and encourage them you don’t get the numbers progressing right to the top level.
I think adults just treat refs like shit and it’s just not ok.
In 8 games one parent has said thanks - just wow
They’re mostly dinosaurs but that’s such a great shoutI have been on for years about getting acadamy kids to have to do ref courses. I would actually make it a necessity to be able to sign pro fessional forms. I would start the 15-16 year olds reffing younger kids. hopefully the consequence of that would be the younger kids(and their parents) would respect the ref as actually they themselves would be looking at them hoping that they woud be at the acadamy in their place in a few years. It is a big step but evolution would then lead to more and more palyers actually knowing the laws of the game, realising that reffing isnt that easy, giving more respect would then be automatic making reffing a little easier and in those circumstances more would want to actually do it possibly professionally. Should and could be a win win.... I will kep hoping that one day the powers that be would at least discuss and try
Gave your quote a like.Never thought i'd be saying that about Keith Stroud he must have had some extra trainingCorr blimey 2 good refs in a row.
That's two pens out of Stroud this season.
Both deserved
Interestingly……
Think I've probably made this point before but in the NHL (ice hockey) where they have video replay the reason for a decision being made is pretty swiftly relayed to the media and then broadcast to the publicWants PGMO officials on live TV to explain decision-making
People wanted VAR to stop the huge errors, what we've ended up with is people being judged a mm offside and 5 minutes being spent looking at super slo mo for the slightest bit of contact in the box. We don't need to get rid of VAR, we need to use the technology properly which for some reason other sports manage but not football.I think what people (regular fans) still can’t except regarding VAR is unfortunately it is black and white when deciding decisions such as offside. By this I mean before VAR was introduced, people wanted DEFINITE clarity if the ball was over the line (when GLT was introduced) or if a penalty decision had been missed or if an assistant referee had given an incorrect marginal (to the human eye) decision regarding offside.
Now that we have that, people still won’t accept if a players “toe nail” is offside! Offside is offside if that’s a toe nail/upper body etc-there is no grey area which is what Jo Public wanted (definitive). Can’t have it both ways I’m afraid-now it’s here to stay they want rid of it again!
Assistant referee call would be interesting but it would stop the whingingPeople wanted VAR to stop the huge errors, what we've ended up with is people being judged a mm offside and 5 minutes being spent looking at super slo mo for the slightest bit of contact in the box. We don't need to get rid of VAR, we need to use the technology properly which for some reason other sports manage but not football.
The technology simply isn't accurate enough to say 'offside is offside if that’s a toe nail / upper body etc-there is no grey area'. It would be great if it was true but unfortunately the maths doesn't back it up.
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Cricket, for example, acknowledges this with Hawkeye and 'umpires call', which allows for the margin of error inherent in the technology, football needs to do the same
The technology could be accurate enough if they change the offside rule to count any part of the body. In the diagram in your post then the player would clearly be offside.People wanted VAR to stop the huge errors, what we've ended up with is people being judged a mm offside and 5 minutes being spent looking at super slo mo for the slightest bit of contact in the box. We don't need to get rid of VAR, we need to use the technology properly which for some reason other sports manage but not football.
The technology simply isn't accurate enough to say 'offside is offside if that’s a toe nail / upper body etc-there is no grey area'. It would be great if it was true but unfortunately the maths doesn't back it up.
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Cricket, for example, acknowledges this with Hawkeye and 'umpires call', which allows for the margin of error inherent in the technology, football needs to do the same
The technology could be accurate enough if they change the offside rule to count any part of the body. In the diagram in your post then the player would clearly be offside.
Ok everything but internal organsNot every part can play the ball
No hands and arms up to the arm pitOk everything but internal organs
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