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  • Thread starter oldskyblue58
  • Start date Oct 12, 2012
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oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Oct 12, 2012
  • #1
no particular commentary on any of this just a few facts and other stuff

1) the rent agreement deadline is apparently tomorrow (see covmad but i dont know if this is fact)
2) the club reportedly owes ACL nearly £1m - that weakens ACL's cashflow makes it vulnerable makes it cheaper to obtain ........ hmmmm :thinking aboutsee covmad but i dont know if this is fact)
3) Walsall made a profit last year £10k
4) Walsall paid a rent of £427k average gate circa 4500 - league average rent is apparently £150K
5) Sky Blue Sports & Leisure have filed a change to its objects (what it sets to do ) and its Articles (the rules under which the company runs)- one change relates converting debt to equity dated 05/09/12. The resolution was signed by Sarah Kelly of Scarba Limited who are general partners in Sconset Limited - so Sconset owns SBSL and is itself made up of various parties including Scarba Ltd
6) no changes for CCFC or CCFCH in their articles or objects - that would mean if equity is or has been issued then it will be in SBSL and i would bet the debts on CCFC individual financial statements actually remain. SISU provided money to SBSL not direct to CCFC
7) From Company House the last time a charge over assets was settled on CCFC was 14/04/08 the latest charge taken out was 22/03/12 Arvo
8) There are two outstanding charges on CCFCH - 23/03/12 ARVO and 8/04/11 SBSL the last charge settled was done so 08/08/11
9) CCFCH owns Ryton and CCFC the option to buy the charity shares. Ryton charge wasnt settled recently it would seem
10) the last charge taken out against SBSL was 02/06/11 to do with Prozone sale it hasnt been satisfied
11) currently each company has the following shares issued per company house SBSL 13698 CCFCH 13949.95 and CCFC 100. To issue shares all companies would have to increase the authorised share capital by resolution filed at Company House - see 5 above SBSL has the ability to do so now

I understand that the club take the match day tickets (corporate and all other which would include selling meals in the ticket price), they get all pitch level advertising income and half the car park income .......... of the match day income (after costs of provision) how much else is there really that makes those other income streams they dont have so important?

Like I said no real commentary pretty much just facts - make of it what you will
 
Last edited: Oct 12, 2012

CovisGod

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 12, 2012
  • #2
And here's me thinking it was just a few blokes kicking a ball around on a bit of grass
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Oct 12, 2012
  • #3
if only it was
 

Diehard Si

New Member
  • Oct 12, 2012
  • #4
CovisGod said:
And here's me thinking it was just a few blokes kicking a ball around on a bit of grass
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Heh, I have to worry about a lot of this crap in my job, I'm buggered if I'm going to get stressed over it for my team any more.

11 guys on a pitch is exactly my level of interest now.
 
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PWKH

New Member
  • Oct 12, 2012
  • #5
OSB58
9) CCFCH owns Ryton and the option to buy the charity shares.

The Option is owned by CCFC Ltd. It has not been assigned to CCFC(H). Have you seen it reported as having been assigned?
 
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Godiva

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 12, 2012
  • #6
oldskyblue58 said:
no particular commentary on any of this just a few facts and other stuff

1) the rent agreement deadline is apparently tomorrow (see covmad but i dont know if this is fact)
2) the club reportedly owes ACL nearly £1m - that weakens ACL's cashflow makes it vulnerable makes it cheaper to obtain ........ hmmmm :thinking aboutsee covmad but i dont know if this is fact)
3) Walsall made a profit last year £10k
4) Walsall paid a rent of £427k average gate circa 4500 - league average rent is apparently £150K
5) Sky Blue Sports & Leisure have filed a change to its objects (what it sets to do ) and its Articles (the rules under which the company runs)- one change relates converting debt to equity dated 05/09/12. The resolution was signed by Sarah Kelly of Scarba Limited who are general partners in Sconset Limited - so Sconset owns SBSL and is itself made up of various parties including Scarba Ltd
6) no changes for CCFC or CCFCH in their articles or objects - that would mean if equity is or has been issued then it will be in SBSL and i would bet the debts on CCFC individual financial statements actually remain. SISU provided money to SBSL not direct to CCFC
7) From Company House the last time a charge over assets was settled on CCFC was 14/04/08 the latest charge taken out was 22/03/12 Arvo
8) There are two outstanding charges on CCFCH - 23/03/12 ARVO and 8/04/11 SBSL the last charge settled was done so 08/08/11
9) CCFCH owns Ryton and the option to buy the charity shares. Ryton charge wasnt settled recently it would seem
10) the last charge taken out against SBSL was 02/06/11 to do with Prozone sale it hasnt been satisfied
11) currently each company has the following shares issued per company house SBSL 13698 CCFCH 13949.95 and CCFC 100. To issue shares all companies would have to increase the authorised share capital by resolution filed at Company House - see 5 above SBSL has the ability to do so now

I understand that the club take the match day tickets (corporate and all other which would include selling meals in the ticket price), they get all pitch level advertising income and half the car park income .......... of the match day income (after costs of provision) how much else is there really that makes those other income streams they dont have so important?

Like I said no real commentary pretty much just facts - make of it what you will
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* 2) It can't be accurate ... probably owe the escrow fund £500t plus two months rent (or maybe three).
* 3) + 4) Good for Walsall - have you disected their accounts? They must have extreme low costs or is there someone who tops up the kitty? 10k profit sounds like somebody is protecting them from losses.
* 5) So what TF said about converting debts to equity is actually true?
* 6) Could it actually be that the CCFC debts are cleared? Even if you bet against it?

I thought the club was trying to get half the ACL to gain access to non-matchday income streams?
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Oct 12, 2012
  • #7
PWKH said:
OSB58
9) CCFCH owns Ryton and the option to buy the charity shares.

The Option is owned by CCFC Ltd. It has not been assigned to CCFC(H). Have you seen it reported as having been assigned?
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sorry PWKH my mistake........ am allowed one every so often
 

skyblueinBaku

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 12, 2012
  • #8
oldskyblue58 said:
sorry PWKH my mistake........ am allowed one every so often
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You'll have psgm1 ranting about your inaccurate posts now!
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Oct 12, 2012
  • #9
Godiva said:
* 2) It can't be accurate ... probably owe the escrow fund £500t plus two months rent (or maybe three). which ever it is its still a lot of money that will affect ACL badly
* 3) + 4) Good for Walsall - have you disected their accounts? They must have extreme low costs or is there someone who tops up the kitty? 10k profit sounds like somebody is protecting them from losses. could of course just be good prudent management of their finances
* 5) So what TF said about converting debts to equity is actually true? I have no idea but if it was my next question would be what sort of equity
* 6) Could it actually be that the CCFC debts are cleared? Even if you bet against it? see answer to 5 above if it is redeemable shares then it is just debt by another title.......... and they didnt convert all the debt either only 35m euros of £43m...... but did they because nothing actually filed only the power to do it was filed. But only way that the club can clear its debt is by paying it back and a debt to a hedge fund is still a debt owner or not. Smoke and mirrors

I thought the club was trying to get half the ACL to gain access to non-matchday income streams? I really shouldnt have to explain to you why that doesnt work Godiva now should I
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like i said just odds and ends ............ no conclusions
 
Last edited: Oct 12, 2012
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PWKH

New Member
  • Oct 12, 2012
  • #10
OSB58

I had to go back and check, and then thought perhaps you had seen something. There was a previous Chairman of the Club, about 76 years old with a connection with Coventry North West, who used to claim all sorts of things about the Option. I just wondered if it had happened again.
 
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Godiva

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 12, 2012
  • #11
oh well, it's Friday ... was just trying to cheer you up a bit. Get you home to Mrs OSB with a thoughtful smile on your lips ...
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Oct 12, 2012
  • #12
Godiva said:
oh well, it's Friday ... was just trying to cheer you up a bit. Get you home to Mrs OSB with a thoughtful smile on your lips ...
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thanks for trying Godiva ..... am looking forward to a good weekend
 
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