Observations since TM came in... (1 Viewer)

ccfcway · Mar 19, 2015

RFC is quieter

Nick · Mar 19, 2015

ccfcway said:
RFC is quieter

So are the "who would come to us", "who would want to manage us" and "nobody else could do better with SISU" crew!

KersleyDigs · Mar 19, 2015

Also will add to this Nouble's comments about TM asking the wide players to "be a bit more cat & mouse" and not to worry too much about tracking back. A very positive outlook this. Must be nice to play for a manager that wants the other teams to worry about us and is very much a 'front foot' kinda man. I always thought SP worried too much about nullifying opposition than actually trying to be positive and work on ways to trouble them. I would imagine this would have a great effect on morale.

Imagine two very different training sessions....

The first; "right lads, this is how we are going to stop them doing X,Y,Z and nullify their threat"
The second, "On Saturday, this is how we are going to hurt them and cause them problems, let them worry about us"

I know which would inspire me more as a player! I know you need a bit of balance, but from Nouble's comments and our last two performances you have to assume TM's session are more like my second example.

rupert_bear · Mar 19, 2015

Mowbray has added width and pace something apart from Callum Wilson for 6 months we have lacked for seasons. As for Pressley the man has no man-management skills whatsoever and will not make a decent professional football manager as long as he has a hole in his arse, as a manager he was an opposite to Andy Thorn who was okay with the players but crap at the other side of management, weld the two together and maybe there's a manager there somewhere.

LB87ccfc · Mar 19, 2015

We play quicker and more direct switching the play more under Mowbray as we need to score goals to stay in the division, simple as that.

We DID play fast attractive football under Pressley LAST season, because we needed results to stay in the league and had the players to do it.

Off field and Man Management issues affected Pressley this term and not having his own set of players coming into the building.

Under Mowbray the players are more relaxed and told to express themselves more on the opposition which in turn is having a positive effect so far the last two games as his ideas start to take place on the pitch.

Keep it up.

Paxman II · Mar 19, 2015

percy said:
im really looking forward to seeing ryan haynes play now. i think the current style of play will really suit his game and allow him to get in behind his opposing fullback

After all the jibes about this team is not good enough under any manager and without SISU investment we will remain doomed, It's amazing that after a couple of games people are now prepared to suggest promotion next year and under TM we are now miraculously all conquering winners!
I think you do TM a disservice and we should calm down just a little. There has been clear improvement under a decent experienced manager, our glasses are half full with optimism. Let's just keep a lid on it till we see some consistency which will prove the results are not just a honeymoon period. Doncaster Saturday at home will be a good indicator.

KersleyDigs · Mar 19, 2015

Paxman II said:
After all the jibes about this team is not good enough under any manager and without SISU investment we will remain doomed, It's amazing that after a couple of games people are now prepared to suggest promotion next year and under TM we are now miraculously all conquering winners!
I think you do TM a disservice and we should calm down just a little. There has been clear improvement under a decent experienced manager, our glasses are half full with optimism. Let's just keep a lid on it till we see some consistency which will prove the results are not just a honeymoon period. Doncaster Saturday at home will be a good indicator.

Who said we are now all conquering? Just after on pitch observations...

In any case, as a City fan you have to allow yourself to indulge in the slightest bit of success. What's the alternative? Eternal doom?

Malaka · Mar 19, 2015

Paxman II said:
After all the jibes about this team is not good enough under any manager and without SISU investment we will remain doomed, It's amazing that after a couple of games people are now prepared to suggest promotion next year and under TM we are now miraculously all conquering winners!
I think you do TM a disservice and we should calm down just a little. There has been clear improvement under a decent experienced manager, our glasses are half full with optimism. Let's just keep a lid on it till we see some consistency which will prove the results are not just a honeymoon period. Doncaster Saturday at home will be a good indicator.

And the optimism expressed in previous posst has ended, but Paxman, I agree with you 100%, and I hope that everyone's enthusiasm can be maintained into next season.

percy · Mar 19, 2015

Paxman II said:
After all the jibes about this team is not good enough under any manager and without SISU investment we will remain doomed, It's amazing that after a couple of games people are now prepared to suggest promotion next year and under TM we are now miraculously all conquering winners!
I think you do TM a disservice and we should calm down just a little. There has been clear improvement under a decent experienced manager, our glasses are half full with optimism. Let's just keep a lid on it till we see some consistency which will prove the results are not just a honeymoon period. Doncaster Saturday at home will be a good indicator.

i think you are doing me a disservice to be honest. my one criticsm of late is that the team have been playing with the shackles on and some players seemingly been kept on a leash with ryan haynes being a prime example. all i am saying is the team seem to be playing with less fear at the moment and when he gets back in hopefully we will see some of the form that we know he can produce

gally9 · Mar 19, 2015

I think haynes would excel with this style of play

torchomatic · Mar 19, 2015

There have been numerous improvements since TM came in, the biggest for me is Fleck. He really is a different player.

Paxman II · Mar 19, 2015

Percy my reply was not about your comments re haynes. It was the general message of the op but my phone seems to only reply on the back of a thread and just happened to be yours. I would actually agree about Haynes, would love to see him back in.

percy · Mar 19, 2015

Paxman II said:
Percy my reply was not about your comments re haynes. It was the general message of the op but my phone seems to only reply on the back of a thread and just happened to be yours. I would actually agree about Haynes, would love to see him back in.

ok sorry mate

TrueSkyBlueLiam · Mar 19, 2015

The last few weeks have proved to me that Pressley was too cautious. Not necessarily a bad manager, but he didn't wanna fuck things up, which in turn, he did. Mowbray has given players the freedom to play their game and its working

Astute · Mar 19, 2015

Paxman II said:
After all the jibes about this team is not good enough under any manager and without SISU investment we will remain doomed, It's amazing that after a couple of games people are now prepared to suggest promotion next year and under TM we are now miraculously all conquering winners!
I think you do TM a disservice and we should calm down just a little. There has been clear improvement under a decent experienced manager, our glasses are half full with optimism. Let's just keep a lid on it till we see some consistency which will prove the results are not just a honeymoon period. Doncaster Saturday at home will be a good indicator.

Many of us were saying that the main problem was SP. You was one of the few even at the end that wanted him to stay. It was you that was making out that the problem wasn't SP. I have been very vocal on wanting him out and wanting a decent manager that could get our players playing better. I was like many that said our players were much better than our position suggested.

And yes promotion is very realistic next season....as long as we can keep Mowbray or replace him with a manager of the same capabilities. Most players are loans or are only contracted until the end of the season. A near blank canvas to work on. Or are you saying that we will not be pushing for promotion because we got rid of SP?

Astute · Mar 19, 2015

TrueSkyBlueLiam said:
The last few weeks have proved to me that Pressley was too cautious. Not necessarily a bad manager, but he didn't wanna fuck things up, which in turn, he did. Mowbray has given players the freedom to play their game and its working

But he made many mistakes. Subs at the wrong time, wrong subs made or even both. How about when we had a penalty against us and our GK was sent off. He went defensive knowing that the odds were we would be behind. Always trying to defend a lead....even if from the 5th minute onwards. Playing players in their wrong positions. Bringing in strikers to play on the wing. And he didn't seem to notice how badly our midfield was playing. If he did why did he keep trying new strikers?

Paxman II · Mar 19, 2015

Astute said:
Many of us were saying that the main problem was SP. You was one of the few even at the end that wanted him to stay. It was you that was making out that the problem wasn't SP. I have been very vocal on wanting him out and wanting a decent manager that could get our players playing better. I was like many that said our players were much better than our position suggested.

And yes promotion is very realistic next season....as long as we can keep Mowbray or replace him with a manager of the same capabilities. Most players are loans or are only contracted until the end of the season. A near blank canvas to work on. Or are you saying that we will not be pushing for promotion because we got rid of SP?

Not true Astute. I simply defended SP position at a time when most were calling for his head too soon. The remarks we always get is the 'revolving door' and I tried hard to give the guy a chance but did not defend his record. As that worsened towards the end even I could not find a way to defend him against that revolving door. I never said I wanted him to stay at any point. I said I did not agree with him going until nearer his demise which was in fact correct and have since said TM is an excellent appointment for us at this time.

dongonzalos · Mar 19, 2015

KersleyDigs said:
OK, so it seems to me that quite a bit has changed in a very short time. Here's what I have noticed...

- Webster has been ditched, TM even highlighted how his lack of pace forces our back line deeper, which isn't a good thing
- Burge, despite concedeing two free kicks looks more confident and is improving each game
- The shackles seem to have come off Fleck and Barton, who are now allowed to get ahead of the ball and make runs, the teams movement off the ball in general has also improved significantly
- the tempo of our play in possession has gone up dramatically
- We are using the whole width of the pitch in possession and frequently switch the ball from one flank to the other to stretch the opposition
- The camaraderie amongst the players seems (again) like the shackles are off, they look like they are really enjoying playing and are allowed to show emotion and have fun (in particular Nouble, Samuel, Odelusi, Turgott & Willis seem close)

What are everyone else's observations from games since TM came in/SP left???

PUSB

Burge has been selected over similar players loaned in from other teams (granted TM had no choice)

We signed a DM (which nearly every fan has been crying out for)

Fleck has been encouraged to play his natural role (attacking midfielder)

A top side heavy team has been actually encouraged to attack. I.e playing to its strengths.

stupot07 · Mar 19, 2015

dongonzalos said:
Burge has been selected over similar players loaned in from other teams (granted TM had no choice)

1 player - allsop, who he then a few game later lost his place to for the remainder of Allsop's stay (burge started just 2 of the 26 league games whilst allsop was here). He was never selected over Jamie Jones.

It's funny really, you seem to have become obsessed with Burge and Fleck.

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SkyblueBazza · Mar 20, 2015

Another observation some may raise is that I have gone quiet on the TM subject. Having said I was uninspired by him.

It IS still very early days...but I am already wondering if I will be permitted to warm my words up in the microwave before eating them if things continue as they are now (which I would prefer they do, of course)

PUSB

Astute · Mar 20, 2015

Paxman II said:
Not true Astute. I simply defended SP position at a time when most were calling for his head too soon. The remarks we always get is the 'revolving door' and I tried hard to give the guy a chance but did not defend his record. As that worsened towards the end even I could not find a way to defend him against that revolving door. I never said I wanted him to stay at any point. I said I did not agree with him going until nearer his demise which was in fact correct and have since said TM is an excellent appointment for us at this time.

Here you go again.

People were calling for his head too soon? People noticed he wasn't very good at managing CCFC. He went too late. If he would have gone earlier we would have had a decent chance of reaching the playoffs. The evidence is in front of you now. The only good point you could ever come out with for him was he was enthusiastic. I didn't say that you tried to defend his record. Wouldn't have been easy would it? Revolving door? Not a good reason to keep a crap manager.

Nick · Mar 20, 2015

Paxman II said:
Not true Astute. I simply defended SP position at a time when most were calling for his head too soon. The remarks we always get is the 'revolving door' and I tried hard to give the guy a chance but did not defend his record. As that worsened towards the end even I could not find a way to defend him against that revolving door. I never said I wanted him to stay at any point. I said I did not agree with him going until nearer his demise which was in fact correct and have since said TM is an excellent appointment for us at this time.

Was calling for his head too soon not just spotting things before everybody else?

Paxman II · Mar 20, 2015

Nick said:
Was calling for his head too soon not just spotting things before everybody else?

No Nick, everyone deserves a fair crack at the whip or how would we have known for sure? SP was getting worse towards the end but the season before he did do very well. The results just leading up to his sacking actually were improving albeit too many draws. But it had become clear that the risk of waiting any longer may have been a big mistake. I think the timing was right to end his tenancy when they did and not before.

Nick · Mar 20, 2015

Paxman II said:
No Nick, everyone deserves a fair crack at the whip or how would we have known for sure? SP was getting worse towards the end but the season before he did do very well. The results just leading up to his sacking actually were improving albeit too many draws. But it had become clear that the risk of waiting any longer may have been a big mistake. I think the timing was right to end his tenancy when they did and not before.

Ah ok, I will go down to Walsgrave now to tell them I need a fair crack of the whip at being a brain surgeon.

It was noticeable months ago he had no idea how to influence a game with tactics or making changes, if we were winning it was obvious we wouldn't hold onto the lead because he had no idea what to do next. Why is it that it was clearly noticeable then but nobody spotted it?

dongonzalos · Mar 20, 2015

stupot07 said:
1 player - allsop, who he then a few game later lost his place to for the remainder of Allsop's stay (burge started just 2 of the 26 league games whilst allsop was here). He was never selected over Jamie Jones.

It's funny really, you seem to have become obsessed with Burge and Fleck.

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That's my point Burge is getting selected over bringing in a loan player from another team of the same standard. Which was happening before.

Always knew Fleck was a class act, like with Baker it is only a few numpties who can't understand when a manager is not using talent correctly.

shmmeee · Mar 20, 2015

Nick said:
Ah ok, I will go down to Walsgrave now to tell them I need a fair crack of the whip at being a brain surgeon.

It was noticeable months ago he had no idea how to influence a game with tactics or making changes, if we were winning it was obvious we wouldn't hold onto the lead because he had no idea what to do next. Why is it that it was clearly noticeable then but nobody spotted it?

I think to be fair, there's a constant uncertainty about what is actually the managers' fault here. See every Grendel post about Waggott's signings

That allows those that like the guy to give him some leeway as they assume he's had low budget or players forced on him. Similarly, it allows those that don't to assume it's all him.

I didn't like him at first, thought we were crap when he first came. Then last season he was the messiah, though in hindsight he was lucky to inherit the team he did and really underachieved with them. This season he was awful but had lost his entire team, so he got some slack.

I like the guy for his passion and his commitment to bringing kids through. But overall it became obvious he had no clue about actually managing on match day. I don't think anyone expected us to get someone the quality of Mowbray.

LJC_CCFC · Mar 20, 2015

Even his 'commitment' to bringing kids through is something of a myth. At Falkirk and here he had to promote players from the youth squad as the scope for transfers was limited.

That being said, it wasn't limited during last summer.

Paxman II · Mar 20, 2015

Nick if I was a brain surgeon in Falkirk I'd expect to be a brain surgeon in Walsgrave too. It may in your or others opinions to be 'obvious' he did not know what he was doing months ago but tbh I think that is unfair given the circumstances he was operating in.
He got his fair crack of the whip and we sacked him not a moment too soon in my opinion.

If I was to look back and see where he went horribly wrong it was the bomb squad and the statement that a player will not play for this club again, yet the player did! That's got to be when he 'lost' the full attention of the dressing room and one which TM has identified quickly with. That if anything was a naïve decision on SP part.

Nick · Mar 20, 2015

Paxman II said:
Nick if I was a brain surgeon in Falkirk I'd expect to be a brain surgeon in Walsgrave too. It may in your or others opinions to be 'obvious' he did not know what he was doing months ago but tbh I think that is unfair given the circumstances he was operating in.
He got his fair crack of the whip and we sacked him not a moment too soon in my opinion.

If I was to look back and see where he went horribly wrong it was the bomb squad and the statement that a player will not play for this club again, yet the player did! That's got to be when he 'lost' the full attention of the dressing room and one which TM has identified quickly with. That if anything was a naïve decision on SP part.

He wasn't a brain surgeon in Falkirk though was he? Hence their fans were saying exactly the same thing about his style of play etc.

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