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O hare doesn’t flatter to deceive (2 Viewers)

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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #211
Ccfcisparks said:
DOD
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Ah yes his ‘inside knowledge’
 
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procdoc

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #212
Ccfcisparks said:
Put me on ignore if it bothers you that much
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It doesn’t bother me. You make these grand statements without providing any evidence to back it up.

What are his deficiencies compared to every other centre forward that feature in match day squads to the rest of the top 12?

If a chance falls to anyone in the last minute Godden has the composure to tuck it away. He’s the one player you want those chances falling to. His penalty success his very high too, which is testament to his composure. His game does have weaknesses, I’m not oblivious to that but to suggest he wouldn’t get in a squad of 18 players for the 11 other teams that occupy the top 12 is laughable and just emphasises a clear lack of basic footballing knowledge
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #213
Brighton Sky Blue said:
There are a few people who have form for general footballing nonsense

Yourself
Paxman
Magwitch
Me

Others get rumbled when they wander across from Off Topic
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we've all got form for speaking nonsense, just some speak it more frequently than others!
 
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Evo1883

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #214
There's every chance godden scores 20 this season , which is an Incredible return at this level and something every team wants to have pre season
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #215
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Correct me if I’m wrong but that was also said about Biamou by the same individual who called him the best athlete
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He should try athletics his latest club don’t even pick him in their squad
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #216
procdoc said:
It doesn’t bother me. You make these grand statements without providing any evidence to back it up.

What are his deficiencies compared to every other centre forward that feature in match day squads to the rest of the top 12?

If a chance falls to anyone in the last minute Godden has the composure to tuck it away. He’s the one player you want those chances falling to. His penalty success his very high too, which is testament to his composure. His game does have weaknesses, I’m not oblivious to that but to suggest he wouldn’t get in a squad of 18 players for the 11 other teams that occupy the top 12 is laughable and just emphasises a clear lack of basic footballing knowledge
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He’s got no pace, no physical presence and has had a few of these poorer games masked by penalties.

a few have said it recently, he doesn’t offer enough when he’s not scoring. We were much much better and balanced when we had Gyokeres and Waghorn up top
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #217
Ccfcisparks said:
He’s got no pace, no physical presence and has had a few of these poorer games masked by penalties.

a few have said it recently, he doesn’t offer enough when he’s not scoring. We were much much better and balanced when we had Gyokeres and Waghorn up top
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I think we're a better team with those two up front, that doesn't mean your criticisms of Godden are valid, they're not.
 

Evo1883

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #218
Ccfcisparks said:
He’s got no pace, no physical presence and has had a few of these poorer games masked by penalties.

a few have said it recently, he doesn’t offer enough when he’s not scoring. We were much much better and balanced when we had Gyokeres and Waghorn up top
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The team probably does have more balance that way .. but I've NEVER known supporters ro moan about a striker who scored 8 in 15 Irrespective of how they are scored
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #219
Grendel said:
He should try athletics his latest club don’t even pick him in their squad
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Why do you still have any interest in this player?
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #220
clint van damme said:
I think we're a better team with those two up front, that doesn't mean your criticisms of Godden are valid, they're not.
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Is he not limited then in his overall play at this level then in your opinion?
 

Evo1883

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #221
And yes statistically he's better than vik in the air
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #222
Evo1883 said:
And yes statistically he's better than vik in the air
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Find me these stats please
 
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procdoc

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #223
Ccfcisparks said:
He’s got no pace, no physical presence and has had a few of these poorer games masked by penalties.

a few have said it recently, he doesn’t offer enough when he’s not scoring. We were much much better and balanced when we had Gyokeres and Waghorn up top
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His goal per minute ratio is third best in the whole league. What he lacks in burning pace he makes up for with intelligent movement. He has deficiencies yes but it’s the suggestion he wouldn’t get in other squads which is ludicrous
 

Evo1883

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #224
Ccfcisparks said:
Find me these stats please
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It's on who scored opta stats .. he wins more headers per match .. see for yourself I literally just looked at them
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #225
procdoc said:
His goal per minute ratio is third best in the whole league. What he lacks in burning pace he makes up for with intelligent movement. He has deficiencies yes but it’s the suggestion he wouldn’t get in other squads which is ludicrous
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He’s scored 3 penalties which significantly skews the data
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #226
clint van damme said:
we've all got form for speaking nonsense, just some speak it more frequently than others!
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Oh I know, but there’s ‘FFS Walker’ and there’s ‘Biamou is the best athlete and striker of a ball at the club’. On the flip side of that I’ve got a fair bit of respect for

Esoterica
Frostie
Evo
Ring of COV

The last one not for his footballing opinions but for deflecting comments on his identity better than the Prime Minister
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #227
Ccfcisparks said:
Is he not limited then in his overall play at this level then in your opinion?
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Yes and I think we should have kept Biamou and Bakayoko instead. All of our players have limitations but Godden is doing a good job.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #228
Ccfcisparks said:
Is he not limited then in his overall play at this level then in your opinion?
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most players have limitations.
I'd say he's now our third choice striker, (that may not be the case, we'll see what happens when everyone's fit), last year our third choice was Max.
That's a huge fucking upgrade. His stats are speaking for themselves.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #229
What are his limitations ? That he's only scoring 1 goal every 2 games ? A record he's had since he's been here basically

He lacks a bit of pace ? But he's scoring goals
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #230
Ccfcisparks said:
He’s scored 3 penalties which significantly skews the data
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Using Grendel stats formula now to exclude goals to back up your point.
 
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procdoc

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #231
Ccfcisparks said:
He’s scored 3 penalties which significantly skews the data
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Do penalties not count then? When someone else took a penalty at Barnsley they missed.
 

Evo1883

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #232
Deleted member 9744 said:
Using Grendel stats formula now to exclude goals to back up your point.
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Shearer liked a penalty
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #233
Evo1883 said:
It's on who scored opta stats .. he wins more headers per match .. see for yourself I literally just looked at them
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It’s not on Opta. It’s interesting on who scored that Gyo has significantly greater dribbles per game, more key passes. It’s not wrong to assume that Goddens build up is a lot worse

gyo also takes a lot more of keepers kicks and long balls onto his chest. I’d be interested if that played into the stats
 

Evo1883

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #234
Ccfcisparks said:
It’s not on Opta. It’s interesting on who scored that Gyo has significantly greater dribbles per game, more key passes. It’s not wrong to assume that Goddens build up is a lot worse
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I know , but he also has 1 less goal than vik in 700 less minutes .. there's absolutely every chance godden outscores him from open play in the next 700 minutes ..
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #235
Evo1883 said:
I know , but he also has 1 less goal than vik in 700 less minutes .. there's absolutely every chance godden outscores him from open play in the next 700 minutes ..
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Why did you say you had checked opta when the stats not even on there
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #236
cc84cov said:
How much we expecting in jan for our “star player” O’Hare ?
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We'll be able to sell him now bright is in the team and storming the league
 
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Evo1883

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #237
Ccfcisparks said:
Why did you say you had checked opta when the stats not even on there
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Do you think I lie parks ?
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #238
Evo1883 said:
Do you think I lie parks ?View attachment 23099
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That’s who scored not opta
 

Evo1883

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #239
Ccfcisparks said:
That’s who scored not opta
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It's opta data you tit
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #240
Evo1883 said:
It's opta data you tit
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My mistake apologies.

point still stands though. I think we are a lot weaker with Godden upfront on his own.
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #241
Evo1883 said:
It's opta data you tit
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he's at it.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #242
Ccfcisparks said:
My mistake apologies.

point still stands though. I think we are a lot weaker with Godden upfront on his own.
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As and when Waghorn and Gyo are back up to speed I’m sure they’ll return.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #243
Brighton Sky Blue said:
As and when Waghorn and Gyo are back up to speed I’m sure they’ll return.
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Here’s hoping
 

Evo1883

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #244
Ccfcisparks said:
My mistake apologies.

point still stands though. I think we are a lot weaker with Godden upfront on his own.
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
As and when Waghorn and Gyo are back up to speed I’m sure they’ll return.
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No argument from me , godden has done fantastic since he's returned , he's a bloody good footballer
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 12, 2021
  • #245
Ccfcisparks said:
Here’s hoping
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This is a long season in a tough league with a small squad, rotation is inevitable in the few places where we have the depth. I don't like Godden on his own up front either but I don't really agree with your general assessment of him
 
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