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  • Start date Nov 2, 2021
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cc84cov

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #106
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
He did, and it turns out he’s having an injury free season (like Walsh did for us)

with hindsight should we have paid the money? Yes! But ultimately he wanted first team guarentees, probably wanted a significant wage and had been off the back of an injury hit few years.

Theres no way we should have took that risk back in July. Fair play to him though. Showing what a player he is when 100% fit
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The deal was done we didn’t give guarantees
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #107
cc84cov said:
The deal was done we didn’t give guarantees
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Again we can’t go around giving guarentees to players - it’s up to him to earn that position.
 
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CCFC54321

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #108
I wouldn’t be surprised if Liam Walsh is here in January… just saying….
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #109
David O'Day said:
You sound like the walloper who sits behind me
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Is that in the queue outside the soup kitchen

Must have been cold there last night
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #110
One of the problems if you leave O’Hare out is that he does a lot of the pressing at the front, anybody who mentions Shipley needs to think as he doesn’t do that and has no energy. If O’Hare scored loads of goals and made loads do you think Villa would have let him go easily?
 

cc84cov

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #111
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Again we can’t go around giving guarentees to players - it’s up to him to earn that position.
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If he’s fit he plays ? Do you think O’Hare gets into Swansea Starting 11 ?
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #112
Terry Gibson's perm said:
One of the problems if you leave O’Hare out is that he does a lot of the pressing at the front, anybody who mentions Shipley needs to think as he doesn’t do that and has no energy. If O’Hare scored loads of goals and made loads do you think Villa would have let him go easily?
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The point is he contributes zero goal threat. Just 5 would do, it’s 1 in his last 55 now. Nobody is being unreasonable to expect a number 10 to score some goals.
 
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cc84cov

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #113
SlowerThanPlatt said:
The point is he contributes zero goal threat. Just 5 would do, it’s 1 in his last 55 now. Nobody is being unreasonable to expect a number 10 to score some goals.
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #114
SlowerThanPlatt said:
The point is he contributes zero goal threat. Just 5 would do, it’s 1 in his last 55 now. Nobody is being unreasonable to expect a number 10 to score some goals.
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Having been kicked all over the park most games and running around a lot maybe he has little in his legs to shoot. Once he scored he may get a few more, it didn’t seem such a problem when Viktor was scoring at the start.
 

cc84cov

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #115
SlowerThanPlatt said:
The point is he contributes zero goal threat. Just 5 would do, it’s 1 in his last 55 now. Nobody is being unreasonable to expect a number 10 to score some goals.
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I’ll never forget that miss in the cup against Brum 1 yard out
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #116
cc84cov said:
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Which of our huge amount of talented goal scoring number 10’s would you pick?
 

cc84cov

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #117
I find it absolutely brilliant Grendel thinks O’Hare is top draw but felt James Maddison was crap he then likened O’Hare to John fleck lose to Bristol it’s “listen just hear me out” part 4
 

cc84cov

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #118
Terry Gibson's perm said:
Which of our huge amount of talented goal scoring number 10’s would you pick?
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I would of give Paterson what he wanted O’Hare couldn’t get into our league 1 side
 

Bugsy

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #119
cc84cov said:
I find it absolutely brilliant Grendel thinks O’Hare is top draw but felt James Maddison was crap he then likened O’Hare to John fleck lose to Bristol it’s “listen just hear me out” part 4
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gloating does you no favours...PUSB
 

cc84cov

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #120
Bugsy said:
gloating does you no favours...PUSB
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It’s not gloating I just find it funny
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #121
cc84cov said:
I would of give Paterson what he wanted O’Hare couldn’t get into our league 1 side
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We didn't though so you have to move on from that, which player would you replace him with?
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #122
Terry Gibson's perm said:
Having been kicked all over the park most games and running around a lot maybe he has little in his legs to shoot. Once he scored he may get a few more, it didn’t seem such a problem when Viktor was scoring at the start.
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Don’t agree, he scored 2 last season and took 35 games to score another one.

His Championship record stands at 66 games with 3 goals
 

cc84cov

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #123
Terry Gibson's perm said:
We didn't though so you have to move on from that, which player would you replace him with?
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Right now ? Allen with sheaf or kelly next to Hamer,O’Hare needs a rest
 

cc84cov

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #124
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Don’t agree, he scored 2 last season and took 35 games to score another one.

His Championship record stands at 66 games with 3 goals
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I know what I’ve always said on this but do you see him suddenly becoming clinical with end product at 22-23 ? Maddison was doing it from 18
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #125
cc84cov said:
I know what I’ve always said on this but do you see him suddenly becoming clinical with end product at 22-23 ? Maddison was doing it from 18
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No but a pointless comparison. I don’t think anybody’s said they’re of the same quality
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #126
I am taking a risk saying this as Allen is my lads favourite player but the game passed him by yesterday and he is hardly prolific although currently plays slightly deeper.
 

stay_up_skyblues

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #127
cc84cov said:
I find it absolutely brilliant Grendel thinks O’Hare is top draw but felt James Maddison was crap he then likened O’Hare to John fleck lose to Bristol it’s “listen just hear me out” part 4
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #128
If Waghorn is fit (though that looks unlikely) I think I’d have him in the 10 role at the moment.
 
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Bugsy

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #129
cc84cov said:
It’s not gloating I just find it funny
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It's funny how u have piped up and know everything all of a sudden ... PUSB
 
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Yorkshire SB

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #130
O’Hare shouldn’t be dropped. Not in a million years. For a rest I could buy into, if he needs it. If not then it’s bonkers.
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #131
Yorkshire SB said:
O’Hare shouldn’t be dropped. Not in a million years. For a rest I could buy into, if he needs it. If not then it’s bonkers.
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He’s trying too hard. Needs a spell to rest and get his head right and come back fighting.
 

cc84cov

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #132
Bugsy said:
It's funny how u have piped up and know everything all of a sudden ... PUSB
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All of a sudden ? Where you been ? This isn’t new
 

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #133
Yorkshire SB said:
O’Hare shouldn’t be dropped. Not in a million years. For a rest I could buy into, if he needs it. If not then it’s bonkers.
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It's a very difficult one. I feel he needs dropping for form and for him to feel like there is competition for his place. That said, there are no viable alternatives. Any other position on the pitch and I think he would have undoubtedly been dropped for a game or two already, but all the alternatives are worse. Allen has his plusses but he isn't a number 10. Waghorn there? Might be worth a look but still not particularly confident our overall play would benefit from the switch. Again, nothing new, but we desperately need competition there in January and possibly someone who could also do a job out wide so we have a formation switch to add to our armoury.
 
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Yorkshire SB

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #134
shmmeee said:
He’s trying too hard. Needs a spell to rest and get his head right and come back fighting.
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I could go for this if we had adequate replacements. He’s had a poor few games by his own standards, but we’re a much worse team without him.
He’ll be the subject of the other team’s defensive plan, teams are quick to press him, double up on him.
He’ll come good.
 

cc84cov

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #135
Yorkshire SB said:
I could go for this if we had adequate replacements. He’s had a poor few games by his own standards, but we’re a much worse team without him.
He’ll be the subject of the other team’s defensive plan, teams are quick to press him, double up on him.
He’ll come good.
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Assists and goals have to be part of his game ? When do you see that “coming good” ?
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #136
Yorkshire SB said:
I could go for this if we had adequate replacements. He’s had a poor few games by his own standards, but we’re a much worse team without him.
He’ll be the subject of the other team’s defensive plan, teams are quick to press him, double up on him.
He’ll come good.
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Not the same, but I’d put Allen or Jones or Waghorn in for a couple of games. Short term pain for hopefully long term gain.
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #137
Yorkshire SB said:
I could go for this if we had adequate replacements. He’s had a poor few games by his own standards, but we’re a much worse team without him.
He’ll be the subject of the other team’s defensive plan, teams are quick to press him, double up on him.
He’ll come good.
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That’s more because the alternatives aren’t worth considering
 

cc84cov

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #138
shmmeee said:
Not the same, but I’d put Allen or Jones or Waghorn in for a couple of games. Short term pain for hopefully long term gain.
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Waghorn could be a good shout works hard knows the game well and is a clever player
 
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johnwillomagic

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #139
O'Hare certainly was not a guaranteed starter in league one - can understand the rest argument but we have a break after next game where he can rest for a bit longer anyhow. I would play him against Bristol City which in theory is a game that could be made for him. Obviously if he performas like he did last night I would hook him though if not improved by around the 60 minute mark.
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 3, 2021
  • #140
When O Hare is off the pitch we create nothing - absolutely nothing - we signed a lazy drunk as a cheap back up option and its blown up in our face
 
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