Would you like to edit that comment which makes some sort of sense or would you like me to do it for you?
Would you like to edit that comment which makes some sort of sense or would you like me to do it for you?Proof if what, costs to out on a match are called matchday costs.
No it was stated that was the cost. There was a belief this included stewards. The latest accounts prove that the club employs its own stewards and policing is a separate bill. Matchday costs are the proportion of fixed overheads given to the tenant.
It's Sisu spin.
Typically inferring that but I'm afraid no figures produced.
All we know is that it's free plus costs to actually put on.
Would you like to edit that comment which makes some sort of sense or would you like me to do it for you?
That's rich coming from you. Provide the figures on the Ricoh "free" use and we might believe you.To state that as fact you must have the terms available. Good provide the data source and we can close the argument.
That's rich coming from you. Provide the figures on the Ricoh "free" use and we might believe you.
What are you on about? No other rival team has been offered a deal on the Ricoh which has been made public.Done on my phone but what is the point? You struggle to understand the difference between fixed and variable costs. The club were given a deal which charged the same rent in League One or Two and matchday costs - any suggestion that anyone would be content with a rival team offered a better deal on either element is deeply disturbing.
What are you on about? No other rival team has been offered a deal on the Ricoh which has been made public.
To state that as fact you must have the terms available. Good provide the data source and we can close the argument.
http://www.football-league.co.uk/ch...rent-free-offer-for-sky-blues_2293322_3206326
Nothing too long in apology just the word will do !!
http://www.football-league.co.uk/ch...rent-free-offer-for-sky-blues_2293322_3206326
Nothing too long in apology just the word will do !!
ACL are mixing match day costs and rent.
At Northampton, Rent includes; all stadium related first team match day services including pitch maintenance, utilities, refuse collection and covers the following facilities - the pitch, the stadium, the stadium seating, the changing rooms, hospitality suites and banqueting areas, match day staff facilities, media facilities.
The stadium also provide all catering staff, all grounds men. The licensee (the club) separately provide stewards, crowd doctor, crowd ambulance, player ambulance.
The ACL proposal comprised a license fee of per match plus match day costs, defined as charges to maintain and manage pitch, utilities, waste, hygiene, match day stadium maintenance salaries, statutory service contracts. The total is north of 12K per match. This is, of course, rent/facility fee.
But that means nothing without the match costs - the club claims the costs and rent were blurred in the deal -- what are these costs?
"All charges incurred on matchday as a consequence of staging a football match will be passed through at cost, for example, stewarding, policing, utilities, frost protection, matchday repairs to stadium, health safety and compliance management and certification, service charges for maintenance contracts eg flood lights, generators etc.
......... at cost. Zero rent ........ Sisu spin Grendel.
"All charges incurred on matchday as a consequence of staging a football match will be passed through at cost, for example, stewarding, policing, utilities, frost protection, matchday repairs to stadium, health safety and compliance management and certification, service charges for maintenance contracts eg flood lights, generators etc.
......... at cost. Zero rent ........ Sisu spin Grendel.
It isn't, because Stewarding and Policing is paid for by the club for a start?
There is no link in Nick's post.Nick has found the link -- answer his point
There is no link in Nick's post.
If I rent you a house for free would you expect me to also pay for your gas and electricity?There is no link in Nick's post.
If I rent you a house for free would you expect me to also pay for your gas and electricity?
If I rent you a house for free would you expect me to also pay for your gas and electricity?
Nick, you are missing the point (deliberately?) The point is the stadium might be "free", but the Tennant has to collect any incumbent charges that may accrue due to their use of said stadium.Has anybody said that gas and electricity should be free?
Nick, you are missing the point (deliberately?) The point is the stadium might be "free", but the Tennant has to collect any incumbent charges that may accrue due to their use of said stadium.
That isn't the Tc's and C's is it?
Isn't it this one?
So it wasn't actually rent free.
The fact that Northampton include a lot of costs in the rent 'package' does not mean they are free of charge. There added on top of what ever rent they charge and billed as on charge.
Have you got the documents for this too?
The thing is, none of us have seen the documents, we are both just using statements but you claim yours is fact but I am an apologist. I haven't said anything is fact I have just posted a statement against a statement.
Did ACL ever reply to that statement from Fisher to say "No, you are wrong"?
Surely even you know why Sisu didn't pursue this offer ?
So you haven't got the actual documents you are just going off a statement the same as what I posted but I am an apologist?
Did ACL prove what Fisher said wrong after they went all public with this "rent free" deal, he has said "it isn't actually free though" and then nothing? If they have replied and proved the point then please do post it.
Thats on the football league web site so give it some credibility. Sisu had moved on and even made a play that the offer was not made to them.
FFS Tim you were not speaking so who else was it made too the Spanish Inquisition.
I'm taking an actual statement off the FL web, your taking TF statement. :facepalm:
You are a Sisu apologist and if you like I'm an ACL one. I can live with it but I think your position will come back to haunt you one day.
Do me a favour just say boo to Sisu once :thinking about:
FFS nothing is actually "free", in this world. If Shitzu want to use the Ricoh then there has to be "associated", costs for which they will be responsible.
FFS nothing is actually "free", in this world. If Shitzu want to use the Ricoh then there has to be "associated", costs for which they will be responsible.
Your wasting your time with the Sisu apologists hunting in pairs.
http://www.football-league.co.uk/cha...293322_3206326
Nothing too long in apology just the word will do !!
All charges incurred on matchday as a consequence of staging a football match will be passed through at cost, for example, stewarding, policing
Well you go and watch them don't you?
There was also the rumour (again, no documentation) that Leicester paid £1,800 for a game there, is there £10k worth of difference of what is used?
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