robbiethemole
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Geez don’t big him up too much hahaha
Geez don’t big him up too much hahahaThank you- long time lurker overseas, and for what it’s worth you are an excellent poster, especially in the match threads which can be a total cesspit
Fair enough, but that comment wasnt aimed solely at your post but was harking back to the last time this debate blew up!There were some quite disparaging remarks made.
Ah city were fantastic that season ... at home , so good to watch , if Strachan was a decent manager we would have made Europe, we couldn't get results away
And Robins wouldn't have done what Hill did so there we are, apples and oranges, circles without an ending.
And Hill changed an entire culture, not just of us but football.robins would have achieved 3 promotions in 5 years with all kinds of shit going on
hill achieved 2 promotions in 6 years with big backing and a highly supportive owner
Hill also never had to contend with teams coming down with parachute payments.
Hill was an absolute icon, but Robins’ achievements would eclipse his, in a more challenging era.
And Hill changed an entire culture, not just of us but football.
And that's not just results, it's impact and legacy.Agreed but we are talking about the best football manager
And that's not just results, it's impact and legacy.
Not as manager it doesn't.if we’re including things like legacies, then Hill’s legacy includes almost bankrupting the place in the 1980s, selling off players to fund things like the Washington Diplomats, and getting to the point where enraged fans were storming onto the pitch wishing him dead
If it's just results, then Tim Fisher's our most successful chairman. Two Wembley appearances, a League championship, and setting in place the foundations for this - chairman through half this season.
Dealing with our most successful chairman? Guess there is pressure to live up to that.mentioning Tim Fisher really just reinforces what an incredible job Robins has done having to deal with all that.
Not as manager it doesn't.
Managing is not just results.correct- if you want to only talk as manager, then his legacy is 2 promotions in 6 years, and rebuilding a club with the aid of possibly our best ever owner.
robins’ legacy as manager would be 3 promotions in 5 years, and rebuilding a club with the aid of probably our worst ever owner.
Dealing with our most successful chairman? Guess there is pressure to live up to that.
I started supporting the club during the Sillett era. I can only judge based on the managers and teams I've seen since then, and I'd say he's already head and shoulders above the others, including Sillett. Look at the players we had when he took over. They were barely better than Sunday league. Look at the trials and tribulations we've had. Look at the attendances, the laughable traning ground, the homeless years, the sword of damacles constantly hanging over his and the club's head. Yet he's turned adversity into strength, and managed to do it year in, year out. He's our Alex Ferguson, a one-off who gets far more right than wrong.
Managing is not just results.
As I said, apples and oranges.
Managing is not just results.
As I said, apples and oranges.
Bit I'm not running down what Robins has achieved, or denying it.Correct, and look at the player-fan relationship when he took over then, compared to now. He made a big deal of that in his first season and look at it now.
And not just the player-fan relationship, but the general feeling of the fans to the club as a whole. It's absolutely night and day and Robins deserves as much credit for that as the on field results (of course the two go nicely hand in hand).
He did for a whileUsing this argument will only ever end up looking bad for Jimmy Hill who as a manager , achieved as many promotions as Robins.. and will be 1 behind him should we win promotion .. he never managed us in the top flight as a manager
Bit I'm not running down what Robins has achieved, or denying it.
Correct, and look at the player-fan relationship when he took over then, compared to now. He made a big deal of that in his first season and look at it now.
And not just the player-fan relationship, but the general feeling of the fans to the club as a whole. It's absolutely night and day and Robins deserves as much credit for that as the on field results (of course the two go nicely hand in hand).
Not really no. Stating the qualities of others is not ignoring it, stating the inability to compare circumstance is not ignoring it. Stating repeatedly throughout however many seasons that Robins has succeeded despite the owners us but ignoring it. I know people like things in a box, a well defined list, but it's not really as simplistic as that.Just ignoring it then
What a fabulous post! Perfect. Well said.Agreed but we are talking about the best football manager.
As I said, Hill was an icon of the game and changed many things.
but in terms of on field achievements, the clear facts are that if we beat Luton than Hill can’t compete with what Robins would have done.
I mean- Hill was able to spend a world record fee for a goalkeeper, Robins has us on the verge of the Premier League with Ben Wilson.
how does it compare in your opinion to when Sillett took over from Don Mackay
Look at how things unfolded after each manager left. The club stayed up and pushed on after Hill went, it struggled after Sillett went and if Robins went on each of the occasions Grendel wanted him to or hinted at it, we certainly wouldn’t be in this position.
For me he has overcome problems that none of his predecessors have barring Steven Pressley, and has dragged the club up to its highest finish in 22 years to be 90 minutes away from his third promotion. Ben Wilson the goalkeeper of the year for the division, something not even Paxman predicted.
I’m genuinely curious to know why you call for Robins’ head every season. I don’t expect a straight answer but I’m very interested to know why you start threads about it.
I’m genuinely curious to know why you call for Robins’ head every season. I don’t expect a straight answer but I’m very interested to know why you start threads about it.
so is that a yes or a no?
Wanted to replace him with Kenny Jackett, hence the Kenny Jackett comments you may see about the place.he called for Robins’ head?
On what basis?
It wasn’t just the promotions with Hill he turned city from a nothing club to national recognition. He brought excitement to the club and he brought us first division football for the first time the football world was shocked when we had 10000 to a reserve match.MR even if we don’t go up this season has brought excitement to the club people are beginning to talk about us again if we go up they will be talking about us even more just like when we won the cup.robins would have achieved 3 promotions in 5 years with all kinds of shit going on
hill achieved 2 promotions in 6 years with big backing and a highly supportive owner
Hill also never had to contend with teams coming down with parachute payments.
Hill was an absolute icon, but Robins’ achievements would eclipse his, in a more challenging era.
Wanted to replace him with Kenny Jackett, hence the Kenny Jackett comments you may see about the place.
That is a question you could ask about Grenners whole existence.What- seriously or as a wind up?
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