Not as much outrage on this as there should be

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  1. Otis

    Otis Well-Known Member

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    If it were Iraq, or Iran, or Libya, or Pakistan I think the words would be much stronger, but of course it's our 'friends' from Saudi Arabia. Those lovely people we all love doing business with.

    This whole episode seems outrageous and to happen inside a consulate too?

    Turkey 'has recording proving Saudi murder' - Turkey 'has recording proving Saudi murder'

    Does of course conjure up another issue of why Turkey were bugging a consulate (which appears is what they were doing), but still.
     
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    As I understand it Kashoggi wore an Apple watch that recorded events and had GPS. Everything was uploaded to his iPad/cloud which was retained by his fiancée.

    How Jamal Khashoggi's Apple Watch Could Solve His Disappearance
    Investigators are focusing on Khashoggi’s Apple Watch
    Jamal Khashoggi: Turkey has 'shocking' evidence of journalist's killing - CNN

    Also I've seen it said the Turks have found forensic evidence in the sewers.
    Jamal Khashoggi: Saudis block Turkish consulate probe after leak on 15 suspects
     
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    Right, cheers for that. That makes sense.

    Can't see how the Saudis can talk their way out of this one. Seems bang to rights.
     
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    Here is a bit on Trump too and it relating how he has not mentioned this case in his Twitter feed or at his campaign rallies, which is his preferred way of doing things.

    Donald Trump and a world of disorder - Donald Trump and a world of disorder
     
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    The kindness shown to the Saudi's is a fucking outrage
     
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    It is. The West treat them like great buddies.

    All down to money and investment.
     
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    Donald Trump had nothing to do with the murder. In fact, Donald Trump has never murdered anyone.
    Of course, the media, who are about 90% anti-Trump will use this to cast him in a bad light.
    Next they'll be claiming he isn't doing enough to help the hurricane victims in Florida, even though Donald Trump did not cause the hurricane.
     
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    Missing the point, Gaz.

    No-one is blaming him for this incident in this article, they are just saying he is always very vocal and quick in condemning, but because it's the good old Saudi Arabians he's not saying much at all here.

    This bit wasn't a go at Trump, it was ponting out how we turn a blind eye to all things Saudi.
     
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    I think you mean our Governments friends
     
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    That's why I put it in quotation marks.
     
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    This sounds like the debased sort of argument or reasoning that he would use. What's him causing or not causing it got to do with anything, he's president of the country ffs.
     
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    Turkey and Saudi are both vile, undemocratic regimes.
     
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    Yup. Seems Turkey are trying to curry favour with the West here.
     
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    Sounds like a boxing day meal.
     
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    Wow...
     
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    Where's the proof?

    Not saying I don't believe it for a single second, but they keep saying these very profound things and they seem to know exactly what took place somehow (don't know how and surely isn't it illegal to have surveillance inside a consulate?), but where's the actual concrete proof? Has anyone corroberated this evidence at all?
     
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    Plenty of scepticism and alternative conspiracy theories out there.





     
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    There was that supposed Apple watch evidence, but I heard some expert diss that as not feasible.

    Never, ever heard such concrete, exact, precise evidence on anything before, not after such a short period of time after an event.

    It's all a bit surreal.
     
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    I've never liked or trusted the Saudis. Public beheadings. Chopping hands off in public. Beating women because they want to speak out. Horrible people. Horrible nation. But they hold the world to ransom with what the world wants and needs.... Oil. They will get away with atrocities as long as the West licks their arses and greases their filthy palms with US Dollars and other Western currency.
     

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