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wince

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  • Sep 25, 2013
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With crowds at sixfields only 2000 and more pr from sisu (even joy talking)in the last six days than there has been in the last 6 years , is this a sign not a penny more is working ?
 

WONDERLAMPS

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  • Sep 25, 2013
  • #2
oh fuck off
 
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wince

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  • Sep 25, 2013
  • #3
oh fuck off
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Where to Northampton ?
 

WONDERLAMPS

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  • Sep 25, 2013
  • #4
oh fuck off!!!
 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 25, 2013
  • #5
wince said:
With crowds at sixfields only 2000 and more pr from sisu (even joy talking)in the last six days than there has been in the last 6 years , is this a sign not a penny more is working ?
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i was thinking the same thing. who knows, all i know is NOPM sits well on my conscience.
 
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simple_simon

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  • Sep 25, 2013
  • #6
FRY-CCFC said:
oh fuck off
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No need for that, he has a point,
 
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simple_simon

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  • Sep 25, 2013
  • #7
wince said:
With crowds at sixfields only 2000 and more pr from sisu (even joy talking)in the last six days than there has been in the last 6 years , is this a sign not a penny more is working ?
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Good point, maybe one last throw of the dice.
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 25, 2013
  • #8
In light of today's information I am considering my position.
 
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shy_tall_knight

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  • Sep 25, 2013
  • #9
Grendel what exactly was your position besides anti - ACL
 

mark_ccfc

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  • Sep 25, 2013
  • #10
I honestly think it is. The SISU PR machine seems to be working overtime, I personally think they are in a panic.
 
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Jack Griffin

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  • Sep 25, 2013
  • #11
Just hold out & they'll be done for by the end of this season.. bar the shouting.
 

italiahorse

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  • Sep 25, 2013
  • #12
Jack Griffin said:
Just hold out & they'll be done for by the end of this season.. bar the shouting.
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They would sooner liquidate us than finance us.
Spiteful bastards.
 
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valiant15

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  • Sep 25, 2013
  • #13
It looks like sisu are on there arse to me. Record low attendances at sixfields, hardly any revenue coming in,hated by the majority of fans, 4th bottom of the 3rd division, the stressing of acl seemingly having no effect, jr thrown out, no plans for a new ground, no land aquired....the list is endless.

Suprise Suprise old septic steps out of her coffin to drum up support. Its obvious there up shit creak.

Sisu are like an knackered old horse. They should be shot and put out of their missery.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 25, 2013
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Surely if when SISU engage in some form of PR it's because they're desperate, the same applies to ACL?

Surely, then, it's a case of who dies first, if not both together, hari-kari style?
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Sep 25, 2013
  • #15
What are ACL saying at the moment?
 

mark_ccfc

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  • Sep 25, 2013
  • #16
I just don't think they should have entered into football. As a business model it just doesn't fit the norm. They admitted themselves they made mistakes, they should have cut their losses and got out a long time ago. Trouble is they are like a cornered rat now, they are fighting for survival, they don't care who or what they take down with them.
 

italiahorse

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  • Sep 25, 2013
  • #17
Jack Griffin said:
Just hold out & they'll be done for by the end of this season.. bar the shouting.
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Flying Fokker said:
What are ACL saying at the moment?
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Waiting for the SISU death rattle before making a big announcement ?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 25, 2013
  • #18
Ah so they were desperate, and now they're not? I see...

Or alternatively with public opinion on their side, and a successful PR campaign to date, there is little *to* say atm...

Apart from channeling questions asked them by Les Reid through their PR company.

Oh, and certain more subtle approaches to PR too. It's not always what you say...

It can't be one rule for one, and one rule for another. Either both sides use PR because they're desperate (and as ACL have used far more PR, they're even more desperate) or altenatively SISU are realising they need to do some because they should have done some from the start and reading anything into it beyond that is wishful thinking, as there's absolutely no evidence that asparagus follows the eating of chicken.

Edit - to clarify, of course they would want fans onside, of course they'd like more buying into their ideas... but that's an entirely sane thing to do, and something they should have done long before now, rather than it being a mark of triumph of a campaign if they start now. The bigger criticism is not that they start now, but that they wait so long to start!
 
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mark_ccfc

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  • Sep 25, 2013
  • #19
I think the final nail for SISU will be if their appeal against ACL fails - they will be out of options by then. I think ACLs revamping of their loan means they can hold out indefinitely.
 
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Jack Griffin

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  • Sep 25, 2013
  • #20
Flying Fokker said:
What are ACL saying at the moment?
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I'd hazard a guess they are waiting for the JR appeal to be thrown out.
 

Paxman II

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  • Sep 25, 2013
  • #21
italiahorse said:
They would sooner liquidate us than finance us.
Spiteful bastards.
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If that was the case Italiahorse they would have done so long before moving to Sixfield's don't you think?

There is nothing wrong with the email marketing, it's their right to do so. It does not send any message that NOPM is working.
They have agreed to play at Sixfield's for 3 years and fund that programme. If they find themselves unable to sustain that then we do indeed face the real possibility of liquidation, something even the hardest supporter of NOPM would not want surely?

Now if they change their position in the interim with various circumstances changing for all parties and return to the Ricoh next season I would be very happy.

I can't understand the constant attack at Otium for trying to keep the football club alive while ignoring the part others, including the council/ACL have played in this terrible position we find ourselves. It must never be forgotten ACL charged way over the top rent for a number of years, strangling the club and expected the same to continue when the club had the misfortune of being relegated.

I don't suggest Otium are the innocent party by a long shot and probably take the lions share of the blame but before you cast the first stone look at all the targets that deserve it. While I have some admiration for the NOPM stance by many I can't help thinking it is mere protest for protest sake and for the most part and does nothing to support the 'team' you grew up to love. Ownership changes and to help effect that change you need to be on the inside track not out in the self imposed cold.
 
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TurkeyTrot

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  • Sep 25, 2013
  • #22
But saying we had the misfortune to be relegated is like saying that guy playing chicken on the M25 had the misfortune to be ran over.
 

italiahorse

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  • Sep 25, 2013
  • #23
Jack Griffin said:
Just hold out & they'll be done for by the end of this season.. bar the shouting.
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Deleted member 5849 said:
Ah so they were desperate, and now they're not? I see...

Or alternatively with public opinion on their side, and a successful PR campaign to date, there is little *to* say atm...

Apart from channeling questions asked them by Les Reid through their PR company.

Oh, and certain more subtle approaches to PR too. It's not always what you say...

It can't be one rule for one, and one rule for another. Either both sides use PR because they're desperate (and as ACL have used far more PR, they're even more desperate) or altenatively SISU are realising they need to do some because they should have done some from the start and reading anything into it beyond that is wishful thinking, as there's absolutely no evidence that asparagus follows the eating of chicken.

Edit - to clarify, of course they would want fans onside, of course they'd like more buying into their ideas... but that's an entirely sane thing to do, and something they should have done long before now, rather than it being a mark of triumph of a campaign if they start now. The bigger criticism is not that they start now, but that they wait so long to start!
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I don't understand any of this !!
 
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shy_tall_knight

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  • Sep 25, 2013
  • #24
Paxman II said:
If that was the case Italiahorse they would have done so long before moving to Sixfield's don't you think?

There is nothing wrong with the email marketing, it's their right to do so. It does not send any message that NOPM is working.
They have agreed to play at Sixfield's for 3 years and fund that programme. If they find themselves unable to sustain that then we do indeed face the real possibility of liquidation, something even the hardest supporter of NOPM would not want surely
Now if they change their position in the interim with various circumstances changing for all parties and return to the Ricoh next season I would be very happy.

I can't understand the constant attack at Otium for trying to keep the football club alive while ignoring the part others, including the council/ACL have played in this terrible position we find ourselves. It must never be forgotten ACL charged way over the top rent for a number of years, strangling the club and expected the same to continue when the club had the misfortune of being relegated.

I don't suggest Otium are the innocent party by a long shot and probably take the lions share of the blame but before you cast the first stone look at all the targets that deserve it. While I have some admiration for the NOPM stance by many I can't help thinking it is mere protest for protest sake and for the most part and does nothing to support the 'team' you grew up to love. Ownership changes and to help effect that change you need to be on the inside track not out in the self imposed cold.
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Otium = SISU not innocent they are why we are in northants, why the club is losing millions
 

torchomatic

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  • Sep 25, 2013
  • #25
Is the Not A Penny More anything to do with the Not One Penny More campaign or are they totally separate?
 

chiefdave

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  • Sep 25, 2013
  • #26
Deleted member 5849 said:
It can't be one rule for one, and one rule for another. Either both sides use PR because they're desperate (and as ACL have used far more PR, they're even more desperate) or altenatively SISU are realising they need to do some because they should have done some from the start and reading anything into it beyond that is wishful thinking, as there's absolutely no evidence that asparagus follows the eating of chicken.
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Its not one rule for one and one rule for another. what people are saying is this is a big change in approach from SISU, which it is. Both sides employed PR companies throughout the dispute so I'm not sure it can be claimed ACL have used far more. The fact is ACL seemed willing to keep people informed of what was happening and made statements to fans that on the face of it, and with no evidence to the contrary, seemed based in truth. Of course there was spin but that's different from lies.

SISU on the other hand chose to just fire out snide press releases on the official website, the truth in many of them doubted by a large number of fans as SISU, and Tim Fisher in particular, don't have a great track record with following through on what they have claimed.

Most people would observe that there has been a change in approach from SISU in the last couple of weeks and Joy in particular. We've gone from no way back to the Ricoh and no way we will sell to there is a chance of returning and we would sell for the right price. That's a big change. Of course what we don't know is if it's just PR to try and get the fans back or a serious change of approach.
 
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Ian Coventry

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  • Sep 25, 2013
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Paxman II said:
If that was the case Italiahorse they would have done so long before moving to Sixfield's don't you think?

There is nothing wrong with the email marketing, it's their right to do so. It does not send any message that NOPM is working.
They have agreed to play at Sixfield's for 3 years and fund that programme. If they find themselves unable to sustain that then we do indeed face the real possibility of liquidation, something even the hardest supporter of NOPM would not want surely?

Now if they change their position in the interim with various circumstances changing for all parties and return to the Ricoh next season I would be very happy.

I can't understand the constant attack at Otium for trying to keep the football club alive while ignoring the part others, including the council/ACL have played in this terrible position we find ourselves. It must never be forgotten ACL charged way over the top rent for a number of years, strangling the club and expected the same to continue when the club had the misfortune of being relegated.

I don't suggest Otium are the innocent party by a long shot and probably take the lions share of the blame but before you cast the first stone look at all the targets that deserve it. While I have some admiration for the NOPM stance by many I can't help thinking it is mere protest for protest sake and for the most part and does nothing to support the 'team' you grew up to love. Ownership changes and to help effect that change you need to be on the inside track not out in the self imposed cold.
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Don't forget the 10 points ACL/CCC needlessly took off us !!
 
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Cheshire Sky Blue

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  • Sep 25, 2013
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Ian Coventry said:
Don't forget the 10 points ACL/CCC needlessly took off us !!
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ACL/ CCC did not take the ten points. It was SISU and the game they are playing. I think I understand why you say what you do, but it is Fisher and the woman who is so scared of her image she will not reveal her self in public that have created this situation. When and if they demonstrate goodwill towards the folk of Coventry I may soften my belief. But at this stage she & he are not to be trusted with our club!
 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 25, 2013
  • #29
Ian Coventry said:
Don't forget the 10 points ACL/CCC needlessly took off us !!
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it was the FL who took them of us for still being in administration at the start of the season.

the reason we were in administration was because shitsu called the administrator in for a debt they owed to themselves (also the reason why we were docked 10points last season ending our slim chance of a push for the playoffs dead).

ACL and HMRC wouldn't agree the CVA that came about as a direct result of the administration process that shitsu started which has put Ltd into liquidation but has cost us no points.

so i cant see how anybody can say that ACL cost us 10points when they didn't start the administration process, shitsu did.
 

Paxman II

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  • Sep 25, 2013
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Cheshire Sky Blue said:
ACL/ CCC did not take the ten points. It was SISU and the game they are playing. I think I understand why you say what you do, but it is Fisher and the woman who is so scared of her image she will not reveal her self in public that have created this situation. When and if they demonstrate goodwill towards the folk of Coventry I may soften my belief. But at this stage she & he are not to be trusted with our club!
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I think Ian was being sarcastic Cheshire but you missed it...
As I said while SISU/Otium are responsible for the lions share of the blame there is blame to be apportioned to all sides. Seems to me that continuing with the protest only against SISU is playing into the false assumption ACL and the Council share no blame? If you want to use history as a reason then why did the council not offer the stadium back to CCFC after they completed the build out? They kept it for themselves, created ACL and stuck the football club (pre-SISU) with enormous over inflated rent for a 25 day a ear pitch use? Nice council we have there, always doing right by the community eh. Oh then years later the very company they formed, ACL and part owned, got into financial difficulties they simply created a loan to bail them out! Wow...no wonder we have a JR God forbid SISU act in such an underhanded way.
 
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Grendel

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  • Sep 25, 2013
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skybluetony176 said:
it was the FL who took them of us for still being in administration at the start of the season.

the reason we were in administration was because shitsu called the administrator in for a debt they owed to themselves (also the reason why we were docked 10points last season ending our slim chance of a push for the playoffs dead).

ACL and HMRC wouldn't agree the CVA that came about as a direct result of the administration process that shitsu started which has put Ltd into liquidation but has cost us no points.

so i cant see how anybody can say that ACL cost us 10points when they didn't start the administration process, shitsu did.
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Wrong the 10 points were due to the CVA being rejected - this is normally 15 points but the League were lenient due to our exceptional circumstances.

The HRMC were a minor creditor - always reject CVA's and if ACL had not would not have been able to influence the outcome. So, why are you saying this?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 25, 2013
  • #32
Grendel said:
Wrong the 10 points were due to the CVA being rejected - this is normally 15 points but the League were lenient due to our exceptional circumstances.

The HRMC were a minor creditor - always reject CVA's and if ACL had not would not have been able to influence the outcome. So, why are you saying this?
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because if we wasn't in administration in the 1st place(which was shitsu's doing) their would have been no CVA, no administration = no CVA the same as 1 is followed by 2.

Edit) PS are you coming to the hill with me for the Sheffield game?
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 25, 2013
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skybluetony176 said:
because if we wasn't in administration in the 1st place(which was shitsu's doing) their would have been no CVA, no administration = no CVA the same as 1 follows 2.
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Oh I see and remind me why SISU put the club in administration - because ACL initiated proceedings. To try and deflect that raises questions about your true interests here.

Fact is if ACL accepted the CVA no points would have been docked this season. How do you defend the greedy filth?
 
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SkyBlueHomer

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  • Sep 25, 2013
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mark_ccfc said:
I honestly think it is. The SISU PR machine seems to be working overtime, I personally think they are in a panic.
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agree 100%. Why now has the PR machine gone into overtime & the elusive JS has even shown up in Coventry. We can only hope its working & we haven't even got to the cold/bad weather/night games yet. Just what the attendance will be then is anyones guess.

Whilst the club has a getout clause at the end of each season do they have this option mid-season?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 25, 2013
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Grendel said:
Oh I see and remind me why SISU put the club in administration - because ACL initiated proceedings. To try and deflect that raises questions about your true interests here.

Fact is if ACL accepted the CVA no points would have been docked this season. How do you defend the greedy filth?
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threatening is not the same as doing and shitsu did. yes i'm an acl troll, you found me out how did i ever get away with it so long with the brain of Britain (that's you by the way) contributing to this site (that whole sentence is sarcasm by the way) . yes if acl accepted the cva we wouldn't have been docked the 10points this season but the fact is shitsu put us in administration which put the club in a position of where a cva had to be offered, if you don't jump of a cliff you don't get dashed on the rocks at the bottom. i don't defend, they are the facts.
 
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