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Nick

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  • Sep 2, 2013
  • #1
If there are people refusing to give sisu any money, can they moan when and if players are sold?
 

WONDERLAMPS

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 2, 2013
  • #2
yes because they fucked off to northampton with our club
 

ccfcway

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 2, 2013
  • #3
Nick said:
If there are people refusing to give sisu any money, can they moan when and if players are sold?
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yep.

The "have the funds to cover losses" and also sold players like Turner for peanuts when we were getting over 15k per match, meaning that would be the excuse, but not the reason why anyone is sold.
 
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CarpyCov84

New Member
  • Sep 2, 2013
  • #4
Tell me a time when CCFC haven't sold their best players Nick ???

Because as long as I can remember we've sold them regardless...this is no different
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 2, 2013
  • #5
True, so are you saying that when it comes to transfers SISU are no better or worse then any other board?

CarpyCov84 said:
Tell me a time when CCFC haven't sold their best players Nick ???

Because as long as I can remember we've sold them regardless...this is no different
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Noggin

New Member
  • Sep 2, 2013
  • #6
Nick said:
If there are people refusing to give sisu any money, can they moan when and if players are sold?
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Yes nopm is perhaps lowering crowds by 2k at most. The other 6 or 7k we are missing would have happened anyway, moving us to northampton was always going to mean pitiful revenue with or without people boycotting.
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 2, 2013
  • #7
Nick said:
If there are people refusing to give sisu any money, can they moan when and if players are sold?
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As I put in another thread, Nick:

.... I quote from Greg Clarke's interview with the Telegraph:

'Sky Blues boss Tim Fisher claimed this week the club had shown the League proof of funds for the cash/equity part of the total costs of building a stadium (potentially more than £10million for a £25m stadium, with the rest borrowed); that Otium had been “recapitalised” by Sisu-related Cayman Islands-based hedge fund Arvo Master Fund; and that the company could fund the club’s losses while groundsharing'.

SISU can't say they're aware of the financial ramifications of ground-sharing, and place assurances with the authorities thet they will cover them, and then sell players to cover them. That's why
 

covhead1

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 2, 2013
  • #8
torchomatic said:
True, so are you saying that when it comes to transfers SISU are no better or worse then any other board?
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Worse, much much worce.
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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  • Sep 2, 2013
  • #9
torchomatic said:
True, so are you saying that when it comes to transfers SISU are no better or worse then any other board?
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If you look at the net league position of blindly selling your best players; they've produced a result worse than any other in two generations or more, haven't they?
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Sep 2, 2013
  • #10
if we were at the Ricoh and people were still boycotting and supporting NOPM then you would have a point and I would agree

Attendances were always going to be crap though at sixfields regardless of the NOPM campaign.
 

Astute

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  • Sep 2, 2013
  • #11
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
If you look at the net league position of blindly selling your best players; they've produced a result worse than any other in two generations or more, haven't they?
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Not replacing them did just as much damage if not more though.
 

chiefdave

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  • Sep 2, 2013
  • #12
depends what sort of transfer it is. if someone is clearly making a step up at a decent fee then that's business as usual to use one of Tims favorite phrases. Would not hold it against any player wanting to get out of this mess. however if we start letting the up and coming kids go for next to nothing then that's a different story. Bear in mind they will be on very low wages and players coming in to replace them can only be on 75% of the outgoing players wages. with a wafer thin squad and those restrictions selling the kids would be suicidal.
 
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dadgad

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 2, 2013
  • #13
Nick said:
If there are people refusing to give sisu any money, can they moan when and if players are sold?
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Oh do stop this tiresome line.
It's boring.
People have made a decision not to go to Northampton.
The clue is in the name of our club - it's called Coventry.
Any consequence of the decision not to play in Coventry rests with those who chose to play elsewhere.
To try and turn this into blaming the fans is pathetic, divisive and brainless.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 2, 2013
  • #14
It was asking a question? A good point has been made about SISU knowing and proving they can take the losses which puts the boot back over to the other foot
 
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Grappa

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  • Sep 2, 2013
  • #15
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
As I put in another thread, Nick:

.... I quote from Greg Clarke's interview with the Telegraph:

'Sky Blues boss Tim Fisher claimed this week the club had shown the League proof of funds for the cash/equity part of the total costs of building a stadium (potentially more than £10million for a £25m stadium, with the rest borrowed); that Otium had been “recapitalised” by Sisu-related Cayman Islands-based hedge fund Arvo Master Fund; and that the company could fund the club’s losses while groundsharing'.

SISU can't say they're aware of the financial ramifications of ground-sharing, and place assurances with the authorities thet they will cover them, and then sell players to cover them. That's why
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Are you saying there's no point in NOPM then?
 
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RoboCCFC90

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  • Sep 2, 2013
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Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
As I put in another thread, Nick:

.... I quote from Greg Clarke's interview with the Telegraph:

'Sky Blues boss Tim Fisher claimed this week the club had shown the League proof of funds for the cash/equity part of the total costs of building a stadium (potentially more than £10million for a £25m stadium, with the rest borrowed); that Otium had been “recapitalised” by Sisu-related Cayman Islands-based hedge fund Arvo Master Fund; and that the company could fund the club’s losses while groundsharing'.

SISU can't say they're aware of the financial ramifications of ground-sharing, and place assurances with the authorities thet they will cover them, and then sell players to cover them. That's why
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Yet as far we haven't sold anyone...
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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  • Sep 2, 2013
  • #17
RoboCCFC90 said:
Yet as far we haven't sold anyone...
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I didn't say they had. But Nick asked a conditional question: 'If there are people refusing to give sisu any money, can they moan?'. I was pointing out that yes they can, given Fisher's assurances
 

skybluebeduff

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  • Sep 2, 2013
  • #18
Nick said:
If there are people refusing to give sisu any money, can they moan when and if players are sold?
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Yes they can, NOPM only started this season to most, and their is plenty of die hard fans who have paid enormous amounts of money on CCFC in the past, with little to nothing in return from them. Instead the loyalty in return is to move miles away from the fans who help made this club.

KCIC is all they ask for.... and it's what we ALL want.
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Sep 2, 2013
  • #19
Grappa said:
Are you saying there's no point in NOPM then?
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It will certainly have a negative effect. We have to accept that.
 
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wince

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  • Sep 2, 2013
  • #20
If there are people refusing to give sisu any money, can they moan when and if players are sold
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The fact that the question is being asked means its working
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 2, 2013
  • #21
Grappa said:
Are you saying there's no point in NOPM then?
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It will hurt SISU's finances and credibility (!?!), certainly. Personally - and this is my view - I don't believe SISU have any intention of staying at Northampton for five years. I don't believe they have any intention of building a new stadium. I think they either want ACL to crumble, or a buyer to come in and relieve them of their burden. Or a combination of both.

As such, I think Fisher's words are posturing; and if people wish to test him by withholding funds, then that's their prerogative; and this was a likely outcome Fisher would have been aware of after the fans forums - and one he assured he Football League SISU were prepared and able to cover
 

Astute

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  • Sep 2, 2013
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Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
It will hurt SISU's finances and credibility (!?!), certainly. Personally - and this is my view - I don't believe SISU have any intention of staying at Northampton for five years. I don't believe they have any intention of building a new stadium. I think they either want ACL to crumble, or a buyer to come in and relieve them of their burden. Or a combination of both.

As such, I think Fisher's words are posturing; and if people wish to test him by withholding funds, then that's their prerogative; and this was a likely outcome Fisher would have been aware of after the fans forums - and one he assured he Football League SISU were prepared and able to cover
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But he even said we would all come flocking back after a couple of games. We are not the sheep he thought we were though.
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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  • Sep 2, 2013
  • #23
Astute said:
But he even said we would all come flocking back after a couple of games. We are not the sheep he thought we were though.
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Two turkeys do not an eagle make!
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 2, 2013
  • #24
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
It will hurt SISU's finances and credibility (!?!), certainly. Personally - and this is my view - I don't believe SISU have any intention of staying at Northampton for five years. I don't believe they have any intention of building a new stadium. I think they either want ACL to crumble, or a buyer to come in and relieve them of their burden. Or a combination of both.
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I think you may be right here, they'll keep stalling and playing for time with the league on the new stadium plans. If they don't get the deal they want on the Ricoh within the next 3 years it could be end for them
 

Nonleagueherewecome

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 2, 2013
  • #25
What a WUMmy thread.
 
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thaiskyblue

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  • Sep 2, 2013
  • #26
CarpyCov84 said:
Tell me a time when CCFC haven't sold their best players Nick ???

Because as long as I can remember we've sold them regardless...this is no different
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all clubs do , but they replace them, sisu just bring in freebies and rely on the kids, this will not bring progress as time has shown.
 

RegTheDonk

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 2, 2013
  • #27
CCFC said:
if we were at the Ricoh and people were still boycotting and supporting NOPM then you would have a point and I would agree

Attendances were always going to be crap though at sixfields regardless of the NOPM campaign.
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Yes, agree on that. While NOPM initially was SISU out, many of those would return IF we went back to the Ricoh. Fans who decide to pay NOPM because of what Fisher has done; can't be held to count over what Fisher may do.

Its Fisher who has decided to move from Cov.
Its Fisher who has said they will fund the club while we are in Northampton.
Its Fisher who has mistakenly budgetted for 3K minimum at sixfields, despite the overwhelming thumbs down from fans via his forums and the Telegraph.
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 2, 2013
  • #28
Nick said:
If there are people refusing to give sisu any money, can they moan when and if players are sold?
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Not the popular view, but I do tend to agree with you.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 2, 2013
  • #29
Nick said:
If there are people refusing to give sisu any money, can they moan when and if players are sold?
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thats like asking if people are not in the NOPM brigade can they moan that we are playing our "home" games at sixfields.
 
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RoboCCFC90

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  • Sep 2, 2013
  • #30
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
I didn't say they had. But Nick asked a conditional question: 'If there are people refusing to give sisu any money, can they moan?'. I was pointing out that yes they can, given Fisher's assurances
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I never said you did however as of yet not one player we want to keep has gone out the door, there is no point in assuming anything else until you have clear facts.
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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  • Sep 2, 2013
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stupot07 said:
Not the popular view, but I do tend to agree with you.
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How can you say that, given Fisher's assurances to the Football League?

They said they'd cover losses. Clearly. Now you're agreeing that if people don't go, and the losses are accrued that SISU said they'd cover, they're able to sell players to cover the loss?!?
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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  • Sep 2, 2013
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RoboCCFC90 said:
I never said you did however as of yet not one player we want to keep has gone out the door, there is no point in assuming anything else until you have clear facts.
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No. And to go back to the very first post; Nick asked 'if' they did, would we be right in feeling aggrieved. Every post thereafter answers this question as a hypothesis as set by the OP; and assumes nothing?!?
 
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RoboCCFC90

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  • Sep 2, 2013
  • #33
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
No. And to go back to the very first post; Nick asked 'if' they did, would we be right in feeling aggrieved. Every post thereafter answers this question as a hypothesis as set by the OP; and assumes nothing?!?
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My mistake
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 2, 2013
  • #34
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
How can you say that, given Fisher's assurances to the Football League?

They said they'd cover losses. Clearly. Now you're agreeing that if people don't go, and the losses are accrued that SISU said they'd cover, they're able to sell players to cover the loss?!?
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Why bother with NOPM if you believe the above is true?
 

DazzleTommyDazzle

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  • Sep 2, 2013
  • #35
stupot07 said:
Why bother with NOPM if you believe the above is true?
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To make the losses that they have to cover, bigger!!
 
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