No Future Talks (2 Viewers)

dongonzalos · Nov 29, 2013

With it now confirmed there are no plans for future talks.

Really do now feel those attending Sixfields should put a deadline on two things.

A date by which

1) A genuine financial explanation of how building a new stadium is more economically viable than signing a long term rent deal.

1) They should see plans, land bought, planning permission gained and work carried.

If they get to this date without either things on show a total boycott of Sixfields should happen.

Also think all these groups should unite under the one aim of getting CCFC back to Cov ASAP.

On uniting their first aim should be to get someone to independently value the Ricoh.

If the club can argue a sound economic plan of why it is financially viable to build a new stadium.

Pressure should be put on both sides to find out why they won't consider buying or selling at the independent valuation.

So we get back before 5 years and we know we are actually coming back to a stadium in Coventry.

magic82ball · Nov 29, 2013

I agree that solidarity is needed and all that but you cant tell people what to do, if they want to keep going and they cant see the bigger that's their issue. I'm pretty sure there not gonna change their minds because you said so.

dongonzalos · Nov 29, 2013

magic82ball said:
I agree that solidarity is needed and all that but you cant tell people what to do, if they want to keep going and they cant see the bigger that's their issue. I'm pretty sure there not gonna change their minds because you said so.

Not because I say so. However I imagine some are going expecting it is temporary and in the background a resolution is getting sorted.

Be it a return to the Ricoh or a new stadium.

Common sense would suggest if one gets ruled out, then they would want a date when they need to know for definite the other is happening.

Otherwise they are just aimlessly plodding along to Sixfields. I can't imagine the people who attend are that naive.

ccfcway · Nov 29, 2013

SISU have just won their appeal for a JR.

Back to square one with a very lengthy court case to follow at the expense of the tax payer / CCFC no doubt

skyblueinBaku · Nov 29, 2013

And so it drags on....... I'm getting mightily sick of the whole affair.

dongonzalos · Nov 29, 2013

ccfcway said:
SISU have just won their appeal for a JR.

Back to square one with a very lengthy court case to follow at the expense of the tax payer / CCFC no doubt

FFS

You are exactly right that has just bought SISU another year of no action

ccfcway · Nov 29, 2013

dongonzalos said:
FFS

You are exactly right that has just bought SISU another year of no action

Hang on, I thought the bus wasnt road worthy, thats why they couldnt use it in the protest ?

Hobo · Nov 29, 2013

I know a song that will get on your nerves,
Get on your nerves, get on your nerves (repeat)

ajsccfc · Nov 29, 2013

If they're saying there are currently no plans for future talks, the distinction between that and a confirmation of no more talks shouldn't be ignored. Cling to it like I will.

dongonzalos · Nov 29, 2013

ccfcway said:
Hang on, I thought the bus wasnt road worthy, thats why they couldnt use it in the protest ?

Looks like it is fixed but will be on a roundabout for a couple of years

dongonzalos · Nov 29, 2013

ajsccfc said:
If they're saying there are currently no plans for future talks, the distinction between that and a confirmation of no more talks shouldn't be ignored. Cling to it like I will.

Hope you are right
Unfortunately today's decision will I fear lead to more
We can't talk due to legal action lines!

wal3590 · Nov 29, 2013

Could be way off but what the chances of Sisu now offering silly money for the Ricoh if and if accepted they drop the court case?

Hobo · Nov 29, 2013

There will be no talks. SISU aren't her to negotiate and never have been.

ajsccfc · Nov 29, 2013

dongonzalos said:
Hope you are right
Unfortunately today's decision will I fear lead to more
We can't talk due to legal action lines!

Absolutely, it's going to just be more of this legal and political wrangling. It's such a ballache.

dongonzalos · Nov 29, 2013

wal3590 said:
Could be way off but what the chances of Sisu now offering silly money for the Ricoh if and if accepted they drop the court case?

I think they would always intend to offer silly money no matter what happened

SonOfSnoz · Nov 29, 2013

Well, which plonker signed off the silly deal in the first place?
Sisu are just doing what they are meant too, as a hedge!
As long as they unite stadium with club.....
If they don't, then agree with the hatred!
Why don't the Trust set a deadline for fans to support in Northampton whilst this mess goes on!
Why didn't the council deduct half the amount of CCFC's rent at the time?

dongonzalos · Nov 29, 2013

SonOfSnoz said:
Well, which plonker signed off the silly deal in the first place?
Sisu are just doing what they are meant too, as a hedge!
As long as they unite stadium with club.....
If they don't, then agree with the hatred!
Why don't the Trust set a deadline for fans to support in Northampton whilst this mess goes on!
Why didn't the council deduct half the amount of CCFC's rent at the time?

Yeah 5 years 35 miles away whilst paying 1.2 million in interest to SISU, building up a potential further 10 million needing covering, with the potential false promise of a new stadium is a small price to pay to avoid paying 150-400k rent a year.

Agree with a deadline by which time you want to see plans, planning permission agreed, a site bought and a legally binding document signed with a developer.

shmmeee · Nov 29, 2013

SonOfSnoz said:
Well, which plonker signed off the silly deal in the first place?
Sisu are just doing what they are meant too, as a hedge!
As long as they unite stadium with club.....
If they don't, then agree with the hatred!
Why don't the Trust set a deadline for fans to support in Northampton whilst this mess goes on!
Why didn't the council deduct half the amount of CCFC's rent at the time?

Would you count a Sisu run company separate from CCFC as "unite stadium with club"?

What if they then sell the club and keep the stadium?

What if they sell to someone who then sells the stadium on it's own?

It's not possible to have a private company legally bound to a property AFAIK (please someone who is a lawyer come in here). The best you can hope for is a not for profit owning the freehold and a peppercorn rent for the club (see Chelsea and Stanford Bridge). To be honest, apart from the rent, that's what we had. And the rent was solved long ago as soon as the club asked for it. I'd like to see them go further to be honest and would support a campaign against ACL to offer even better terms, but selling anything (ACL/the ricoh/etc) to private hands won't guarantee the club benefits.

SonOfSnoz · Nov 29, 2013

But Acl can always insert a clause that Ricoh & Golden Share will always remain together, despite Sisu's tactics of stripping companies to keep the best bits & bin the rest.

RoboCCFC90 · Nov 29, 2013

I wouldn't be so sure...

Les Reid‏@Lesreidpolitics2mUPDATE:Council just issued statement after #CCFC high court ruling: "We want to talk" with Sisu over Ricoh return & "build a relationship"..

Are CCC cracking?

SonOfSnoz · Nov 29, 2013

Or have CCC got something to hide?
Nice one Joy!

dongonzalos · Nov 29, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
I wouldn't be so sure...

Les Reid‏@Lesreidpolitics2mUPDATE:Council just issued statement after #CCFC high court ruling: "We want to talk" with Sisu over Ricoh return & "build a relationship"..

Are CCC cracking?

Same quote they have always said

Covstu · Nov 29, 2013

I always said i would be happy (maybe not the right word) to move away for one season whilst this mess is to be cleared up. This isnt clearly going to happen within the next 6 months, we need communciation from SISU about what their plans are for the 'new stadium'. The problem is some people have brought ST so they are not going to suddenly stop attending.

The only leverage SISU have at this particular moment is the chance of promotion, once that extinguishes then support will drop off too.

RoboCCFC90 · Nov 29, 2013

dongonzalos said:
Same quote they have always said

Funny timing though just after Sisu win their appeal?

RegTheDonk · Nov 29, 2013

Agree with that Stu.

Unfortunately, now they've seen some light following the court decision today, SISU will really dig in and try to bleed the council into submission. I fear they will demand a cheap freehold, something the council really cannot do in fairness to the voters/ratepayers. It looks very bleak for a return home in the next couple of years, just IMHO of course.

AS A THOUGHT....

If the council brought the loan from Yorks Bank which I believe is the nub of SISU's arguement for £14 million, can ACL not get a loan from somewhere else (assuming a bank would lend at a favourable rate) and pay off the council. Would that solve the issue regarding public money bail out, leaving the JR pointless?

dongonzalos · Nov 29, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
Funny timing though just after Sisu win their appeal?

Maybe, but they have made that quote on all of their last statements since SISU did one

oldfiver · Nov 29, 2013

dongonzalos said:
Not because I say so. However I imagine some are going expecting it is temporary and in the background a resolution is getting sorted.

Be it a return to the Ricoh or a new stadium.

Common sense would suggest if one gets ruled out, then they would want a date when they need to know for definite the other is happening.

Otherwise they are just aimlessly plodding along to Sixfields. I can't imagine the people who attend are that naive.

Strangely enough I go to watch a Coventry City team play football

I have done this for over 50 years. In that time the Club has had several owners - few have actually benefitted the Club. I have seen far more bad seasons than good but I still go

On Boxing Day we play Peterborough at Sixfields and I will be there. On Boxing Day 1963 we played the same fixture in Peterborough and I was there

It is not the ground or the Club owners I have followed but the Team.

oldfiver · Nov 29, 2013

RegTheDonk said:
Agree with that Stu.

Unfortunately, now they've seen some light following the court decision today, SISU will really dig in and try to bleed the council into submission. I fear they will demand a cheap freehold, something the council really cannot do in fairness to the voters/ratepayers. It looks very bleak for a return home in the next couple of years, just IMHO of course.

AS A THOUGHT....

If the council brought the loan from Yorks Bank which I believe is the nub of SISU's arguement for £14 million, can ACL not get a loan from somewhere else (assuming a bank would lend at a favourable rate) and pay off the council. Would that solve the issue regarding public money bail out, leaving the JR pointless?

Ill thought out comments as usual

Even if ACL went bust it does not mean SISU will be the sole bidders

Even now the Council could sell to anyone but NO ONE values the site at the level they have set. Has anyone seen a list of buyers at the Council House doors

bigfatronssba · Nov 29, 2013

oldfiver said:
Ill thought out comments as usual

Even if ACL went bust it does not mean SISU will be the sole bidders

Even now the Council could sell to anyone but NO ONE values the site at the level they have set. Has anyone seen a list of buyers at the Council House doors

The council can and should therefore wait until the market picks up before deciding if they want to sell.

dongonzalos · Nov 30, 2013

oldfiver said:
Strangely enough I go to watch a Coventry City team play football

I have done this for over 50 years. In that time the Club has had several owners - few have actually benefitted the Club. I have seen far more bad seasons than good but I still go

On Boxing Day we play Peterborough at Sixfields and I will be there. On Boxing Day 1963 we played the same fixture in Peterborough and I was there

It is not the ground or the Club owners I have followed but the Team.

I respect your past actions. A true loyal Cov Fan.

Is there a point where you feel you need to sacrifice your own pleasure of watching the team. Over doing what is best for the future of Coventry City football club?

Or do you think what you do is irrelevant to the future of CCFC?

Or do you think by attending you are doing the best for CCFC?

Or do you not think about any of the above, and just going regardless, as long as you can get there, wherever Cov play?

oldfiver · Nov 30, 2013

I consider watching the team is maintaining the future of the Club. I have yet to be persuaded any of the "anti" prtests are having any influence other than to antagonise one or other party

No

"My best" would be (a) to be able to have both sides in a quiet room, put their heads together, get them to ignore the past and poilitics and go forward . (b) get the various waring "anti" factions together in a quiet room, put their heads together, get them to ignore the past and poilitics and go forward

I can recall going to Walsall on a cold foggy friday night by two very slow trains in the 1960's. I stood on the bank of the old ground and watched the mist roll in so I only saw one half of the pitch in the second half. I think the score was 0-0 and then made a cold return journey and got home about mid night. I dont think I am going to change!

dongonzalos · Nov 30, 2013

oldfiver said:
I consider watching the team is maintaining the future of the Club. I have yet to be persuaded any of the "anti" prtests are having any influence other than to antagonise one or other party

No

"My best" would be (a) to be able to have both sides in a quiet room, put their heads together, get them to ignore the past and poilitics and go forward . (b) get the various waring "anti" factions together in a quiet room, put their heads together, get them to ignore the past and poilitics and go forward

I can recall going to Walsall on a cold foggy friday night by two very slow trains in the 1960's. I stood on the bank of the old ground and watched the mist roll in so I only saw one half of the pitch in the second half. I think the score was 0-0 and then made a cold return journey and got home about mid night. I dont think I am going to change!

Sounds like the mist may have fine you a favour

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