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Jack Griffin

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  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #1
A well informed article on 200%
http://twohundredpercent.net/?p=25537
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #2
Not reading that.....title says it all...

Its depressing enough without every tom, dick & harriet documenting our pain every bloody week on yet another football blog....

Next.
 

bringbackrattles

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #3
Jack Griffin said:
A well informed article on 200%
http://twohundredpercent.net/?p=25537
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It does make depressing reading Jack but we know whenever we read about our club these days on and off the pitch,we feel down..I long for the day I pick up the paper and read that we are back at the Ricoh and back in the Championship,but that would be too much to ask for wouldn't it ?And even Dynamo the magician couldn't conjure that up !
 

matesx

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #4
A long slow painful death for the football club of the 9th biggest City in England.

Tragic.

And the football authorities stand by and watch it happen.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #5
matesx said:
A long slow painful death for the football club of the 9th biggest City in England.

Tragic.

And the football authorities stand by and watch it happen.
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I dunno Sisu are doing everything they can to hasten our demise. Maybe we should thank them for helping us avoid years of false hope.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #6
What's even more depressing is that certain posters on here seem to revel in this shite.

The facts we know:

1. The club overspent whilst at Highfield Rd, the murky goings on between 1995 and 2007 have never been scrutinised

2. The option to buy back Highfield Rd should have been taken up

3. The original rent of £1.2m should never have been agreed to

4. SISU's due diligence was abysmal as was Saint Joe and co's due diligence on SISU themselves

5. SISU's choice of Ranson then Delieu (sp) as Chairman and then Coleman, Boothroyd and Thorn as managers was also catastrophic

6. The failure of both parties to re-negotiate the rent in good faith was a disaster

7. The move to Northampton is a disaster

8. The club is absolutely fucked regardless of who the owners are. 107% of turnover on wages for a club that apparently "didn't spend enough" in that season says it all about the state of football

9. These articles bring nothing new to the table apart from allowing the author to pat himself on the back for another article highlighting problems without solutions
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #7
fernandopartridge said:
What's even more depressing is that certain posters on here seem to revel in this shite.

The facts we know:

1. The club overspent whilst at Highfield Rd, the murky goings on between 1995 and 2007 have never been scrutinised

2. The option to buy back Highfield Rd should have been taken up

3. The original rent of £1.2m should never have been agreed to

4. SISU's due diligence was abysmal as was Saint Joe and co's due diligence on SISU themselves

5. SISU's choice of Ranson then Delieu (sp) as Chairman and then Coleman, Boothroyd and Thorn as managers was also catastrophic

6. The failure of both parties to re-negotiate the rent in good faith was a disaster

7. The move to Northampton is a disaster

8. The club is absolutely fucked regardless of who the owners are. 107% of turnover on wages for a club that apparently "didn't spend enough" in that season says it all about the state of football

9. These articles bring nothing new to the table apart from allowing the author to pat himself on the back for another article highlighting problems without solutions
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Amen brother.:claping hands:
 
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The Gentleman

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #8
fernandopartridge said:
What's even more depressing is that certain posters on here seem to revel in this shite.

The facts we know:

1. The club overspent whilst at Highfield Rd, the murky goings on between 1995 and 2007 have never been scrutinised

2. The option to buy back Highfield Rd should have been taken up

3. The original rent of £1.2m should never have been agreed to

4. SISU's due diligence was abysmal as was Saint Joe and co's due diligence on SISU themselves

5. SISU's choice of Ranson then Delieu (sp) as Chairman and then Coleman, Boothroyd and Thorn as managers was also catastrophic

6. The failure of both parties to re-negotiate the rent in good faith was a disaster

7. The move to Northampton is a disaster

8. The club is absolutely fucked regardless of who the owners are. 107% of turnover on wages for a club that apparently "didn't spend enough" in that season says it all about the state of football

9. These articles bring nothing new to the table apart from allowing the author to pat himself on the back for another article highlighting problems without solutions
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I don't think anyone revels in this sort of thing, we all feel it to varying degrees but we are all still CCFC fans. I know you list a number of things that should of happened. However, we all could say if I turned left instead of right I would be here instead of there. The one thing that is keeping me going at the moment is that finally someone, somewhere will bring this to a happier time. Now this could be Sisu, FL, ACL or even FA or Government. The first step in that is Sisu picking up the fucking phone, for them to eat some humble pie, ACL/CCC to eat some humble pie and start us on the road to recovery. Everyone says it is more difficult and complex than that but that quite frankly is bollocks. Pick up the phone, dial the number and get things moving.
 

covmark

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #9
fernandopartridge said:
What's even more depressing is that certain posters on here seem to revel in this shite.

The facts we know:

1. The club overspent whilst at Highfield Rd, the murky goings on between 1995 and 2007 have never been scrutinised

2. The option to buy back Highfield Rd should have been taken up

3. The original rent of £1.2m should never have been agreed to

4. SISU's due diligence was abysmal as was Saint Joe and co's due diligence on SISU themselves

5. SISU's choice of Ranson then Delieu (sp) as Chairman and then Coleman, Boothroyd and Thorn as managers was also catastrophic

6. The failure of both parties to re-negotiate the rent in good faith was a disaster

7. The move to Northampton is a disaster

8. The club is absolutely fucked regardless of who the owners are. 107% of turnover on wages for a club that apparently "didn't spend enough" in that season says it all about the state of football

9. These articles bring nothing new to the table apart from allowing the author to pat himself on the back for another article highlighting problems without solutions
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Great post, 200% correct.
 
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John_Silletts_Nose

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #10
These forum posts bring nothing new to the table apart from allowing the author to pat himself/herself on the back for another forum post highlighting problems without solutions.

​
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #11
John_Silletts_Nose said:
These forum posts bring nothing new to the table apart from allowing the author to pat himself/herself on the back for another forum post highlighting problems without solutions.

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Yes - I'm just showing that it takes no talent to do so!
 
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Sky Blue Dal

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #12
fernandopartridge said:
What's even more depressing is that certain posters on here seem to revel in this shite.

The facts we know:

1. The club overspent whilst at Highfield Rd, the murky goings on between 1995 and 2007 have never been scrutinised

2. The option to buy back Highfield Rd should have been taken up

3. The original rent of £1.2m should never have been agreed to

4. SISU's due diligence was abysmal as was Saint Joe and co's due diligence on SISU themselves

5. SISU's choice of Ranson then Delieu (sp) as Chairman and then Coleman, Boothroyd and Thorn as managers was also catastrophic

6. The failure of both parties to re-negotiate the rent in good faith was a disaster

7. The move to Northampton is a disaster

8. The club is absolutely fucked regardless of who the owners are. 107% of turnover on wages for a club that apparently "didn't spend enough" in that season says it all about the state of football

9. These articles bring nothing new to the table apart from allowing the author to pat himself on the back for another article highlighting problems without solutions
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I agree with all your statements and its put forward well..... but I do disagree with point 8. We would not be fucked if we had owners with a shrewd business sense to take over the club put the club again into administration and then re-buy using a parent company with the help of there assigned administrator thus financially starting on a clean slate and with a 10 - 15 point deduction.

The Owners will have to take a slight financial hit for this but in the long run would have been rewarded and possibly sorting a deal to buy the share of the Ricoh.

There are a 101 ways to skin a cat I say.

If SISU do decide to sell and a new owner buys them out... maybe if it is legal, this is an option the new owners will have to take or find other loop hole to lose this debt.
 
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Spionkop

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  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #13
JOHNSILLETS NOSE, what I think the article does is emphasise yet again how low we've sunk, that it is worse than we realise.
It reminds us, if we ever needed it, that it will probably get worse.
Barring a turnaround on a massive scale, our club won't be back in Coventry next season either. We have poisonous owners.
But, it seems, there is still a majority of fans on this forum at least who still have a 'wait and see' attitude. Letting Sisu dictate the scene. Instead of acting collectively to scupper them. Collectively fans are so powerful. I wish ours would wake up to this. A growing number are showing signs of fighting back but it is not enough as it is.
More of the fans are talking of an AFC, a strategy, a plan, to reclaim CCFC. Too late for next season allegedly, but Sphinx could be installed at the Ricoh. It's not ideal, I know that. But what is the alternative? JR, then a couple of appeals, more ghostly plans for tiny stadiums that will never be built? Locked into debt, clinging to the forlorn hope that the Football League will call Sisu's bluff? Fooling ourselves that a petition, however commendable, will change things.
Meanwhile our club dies a painful lingering death.
Make no mistake, Pressley being here has papered over horrendous cracks. You all know that. The summer will see a mass exodus if we are still in Northampton. Wilson, Moussa, Thomas, Fleck, Christie and others are all ambitious young men. They must hate playing in that empty ground. The manager too, he'll be dreaming of bigger things.
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #14
Spionkop said:
JOHNSILLETS NOSE, what I think the article does is emphasise yet again how low we've sunk, that it is worse than we realise.
It reminds us, if we ever needed it, that it will probably get worse.
Barring a turnaround on a massive scale, our club won't be back in Coventry next season either. We have poisonous owners.
But, it seems, there is still a majority of fans on this forum at least who still have a 'wait and see' attitude. Letting Sisu dictate the scene. Instead of acting collectively to scupper them. Collectively fans are so powerful. I wish ours would wake up to this. A growing number are showing signs of fighting back but it is not enough as it is.
More of the fans are talking of an AFC, a strategy, a plan, to reclaim CCFC. Too late for next season allegedly, but Sphinx could be installed at the Ricoh. It's not ideal, I know that. But what is the alternative? JR, then a couple of appeals, more ghostly plans for tiny stadiums that will never be built? Locked into debt, clinging to the forlorn hope that the Football League will call Sisu's bluff? Fooling ourselves that a petition, however commendable, will change things.
Meanwhile our club dies a painful lingering death.
Make no mistake, Pressley being here has papered over horrendous cracks. You all know that. The summer will see a mass exodus if we are still in Northampton. Wilson, Moussa, Thomas, Fleck, Christie and others are all ambitious young men. They must hate playing in that empty ground. The manager too, he'll be dreaming of bigger things.
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Think Sisu can be blamed for the paragraph shortage.

More fucking cut-backs.
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #15
Spionkop said:
JOHNSILLETS NOSE, what I think the article does is emphasise yet again how low we've sunk, that it is worse than we realise.
It reminds us, if we ever needed it, that it will probably get worse.
Barring a turnaround on a massive scale, our club won't be back in Coventry next season either. We have poisonous owners.
But, it seems, there is still a majority of fans on this forum at least who still have a 'wait and see' attitude. Letting Sisu dictate the scene. Instead of acting collectively to scupper them. Collectively fans are so powerful. I wish ours would wake up to this. A growing number are showing signs of fighting back but it is not enough as it is.
More of the fans are talking of an AFC, a strategy, a plan, to reclaim CCFC. Too late for next season allegedly, but Sphinx could be installed at the Ricoh. It's not ideal, I know that. But what is the alternative? JR, then a couple of appeals, more ghostly plans for tiny stadiums that will never be built? Locked into debt, clinging to the forlorn hope that the Football League will call Sisu's bluff? Fooling ourselves that a petition, however commendable, will change things.
Meanwhile our club dies a painful lingering death.
Make no mistake, Pressley being here has papered over horrendous cracks. You all know that. The summer will see a mass exodus if we are still in Northampton. Wilson, Moussa, Thomas, Fleck, Christie and others are all ambitious young men. They must hate playing in that empty ground. The manager too, he'll be dreaming of bigger things.
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Now there's irony.....at least they can't blame the sea of sky blue seats for home defeats..



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - so please excuse any spelling or grammar errors
 

SIR ERNIE

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #16
Spionkop said:
JOHNSILLETS NOSE, what I think the article does is emphasise yet again how low we've sunk, that it is worse than we realise.
It reminds us, if we ever needed it, that it will probably get worse.
Barring a turnaround on a massive scale, our club won't be back in Coventry next season either. We have poisonous owners.
But, it seems, there is still a majority of fans on this forum at least who still have a 'wait and see' attitude. Letting Sisu dictate the scene. Instead of acting collectively to scupper them. Collectively fans are so powerful. I wish ours would wake up to this. A growing number are showing signs of fighting back but it is not enough as it is.
More of the fans are talking of an AFC, a strategy, a plan, to reclaim CCFC. Too late for next season allegedly, but Sphinx could be installed at the Ricoh. It's not ideal, I know that. But what is the alternative? JR, then a couple of appeals, more ghostly plans for tiny stadiums that will never be built? Locked into debt, clinging to the forlorn hope that the Football League will call Sisu's bluff? Fooling ourselves that a petition, however commendable, will change things.
Meanwhile our club dies a painful lingering death.
Make no mistake, Pressley being here has papered over horrendous cracks. You all know that. The summer will see a mass exodus if we are still in Northampton. Wilson, Moussa, Thomas, Fleck, Christie and others are all ambitious young men. They must hate playing in that empty ground. The manager too, he'll be dreaming of bigger things.
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great post spionkop.

you are right, the fans have more power than they realise. A 100% boycott of Sixfields would have a massive impact on the FL yet there are still 1500 who are happy to go along and watch a game oblivious to the damage they're doing. You are also correct about the impact Sphinx could have by playing at the Ricoh.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #17
SIR ERNIE said:
great post spionkop.

you are right, the fans have more power than they realise. A 100% boycott of Sixfields would have a massive impact on the FL yet there are still 1500 who are happy to go along and watch a game oblivious to the damage they're doing. You are also correct about the impact Sphinx could have by playing at the Ricoh.
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Utter nonsense, especially the Sphinx point.
 

lordsummerisle

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  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #18
fernandopartridge said:
Utter nonsense, especially the Sphinx point.
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Especially as most would be wondering how to pronounce it.

"Come on you Spinks", "No, think it's Sfinks", "Oh, right Come on you Suffinks?" "Don't think that's right either?"

"What colour are we?"
 
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Chez78

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  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #19
fernandopartridge said:
Utter nonsense, especially the Sphinx point.
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How can you possibly know if it's never been tried, so far there has not been a run of games where no home fans have attended. If your honestly telling me that had no home fans attended all season it would have made no difference whatsoever then I just can't agree, as far as the sphinx thing goes can't see that making a difference at all.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #20
SIR ERNIE said:
great post spionkop.

you are right, the fans have more power than they realise. A 100% boycott of Sixfields would have a massive impact on the FL yet there are still 1500 who are happy to go along and watch a game oblivious to the damage they're doing. You are also correct about the impact Sphinx could have by playing at the Ricoh.
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Total crap, go and watch Sphinx then and take the big revolutionary Spoinkop with you.
 

Astute

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  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #21
lordsummerisle said:
"What colour are we?"
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Yellow?
 
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Spionkop

New Member
  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #22
Chez, I agree - a total boycott would make a massive difference.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #23
It is a myth.
 

WestEndAgro

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #24
Nick said:
It is a myth.
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Why's that then, because you say so !
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #25
Nick said:
It is a myth.
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No, it's a hypothesis. What we do know is that 1500 people quietly attending each week doesn't have the desired effect either.

If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you always got.

The non-attending hypothesis has as much weight as the full house hypothesis at the moment, both are untried.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #26
WestEndAgro said:
Why's that then, because you say so !
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Yep, that is exactly why.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #27
shmmeee said:
No, it's a hypothesis. What we do know is that 1500 people quietly attending each week doesn't have the desired effect either.

If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you always got.

The non-attending hypothesis has as much weight as the full house hypothesis at the moment, both are untried.
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I agree it is hard to tell, I should have put "I think" at the start I guess as it clearly isn't fact and I didn't mean it to come across as that.

Personally, I don't think a sell out every week or 12 there every week would make much difference to the situation right now.
 

SIR ERNIE

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #28
fernandopartridge said:
Utter nonsense, especially the Sphinx point.
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Well I'd have more respect for 1500 fans watching Cov Sphinx at the Ricoh than the 1500 who watch CCFC at Sixfields.

Still, each to his own.
 

ohitsaidwalker king power

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  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #29
Nick said:
Yep, that is exactly why.
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Humility..... right there.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #30
Nick said:
I agree it is hard to tell, I should have put "I think" at the start I guess as it clearly isn't fact and I didn't mean it to come across as that.

Personally, I don't think a sell out every week or 12 there every week would make much difference to the situation right now.
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I don't think the Queen and Barack Obama singing Joy a duet written by John Lennon (somehow) about our plight would make any difference to the situation.

I think we're in limbo until the JR, then who knows. The worst part of all of this is the exposition of the fact that we all knew deep down: fans mean absolutely fuck all in football.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #31
ohitsaidwalker king power said:
Humility..... right there.
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More Sarcasm
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #32
shmmeee said:
I don't think the Queen and Barack Obama singing Joy a duet written by John Lennon (somehow) about our plight would make any difference to the situation.

I think we're in limbo until the JR, then who knows. The worst part of all of this is the exposition of the fact that we all knew deep down: fans mean absolutely fuck all in football.
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Exactly, that's why I think sometimes why the fuck should the fans suffer. With people staying away yes SISU may love a few quid but they clearly don't give a stuff about that, the only people actually bothered are the fans so they could be spiting themselves by not watching the team they love. The players probably would prefer to be playing at a packed out Ricoh, but they are still being paid every week so they just get on with their job.
 

SIR ERNIE

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  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #33
Grendel said:
Total crap, go and watch Sphinx then and take the big revolutionary Spoinkop with you.
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given your record, I reckon you'd be at the Ricoh cheering on the Sphinx one week then back with your latest new love in Northampton the next week.

Unless Nuneaton get promoted. That would cause you a real problem.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #34
Nick said:
Exactly, that's why I think sometimes why the fuck should the fans suffer. With people staying away yes SISU may love a few quid but they clearly don't give a stuff about that, the only people actually bothered are the fans so they could be spiting themselves by not watching the team they love. The players probably would prefer to be playing at a packed out Ricoh, but they are still being paid every week so they just get on with their job.
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You know what? In all this crap that's probably the best reason to attend Sixfields I've read.


Still not going though To be honest, this whole thing has shook my love for the game. I'm holding out for the JR, then see where we are, but if it's another season like this one I may give up altogether rather than put myself through it all for another year.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 13, 2014
  • #35
shmmeee said:
You know what? In all this crap that's probably the best reason to attend Sixfields I've read.


Still not going though To be honest, this whole thing has shook my love for the game. I'm holding out for the JR, then see where we are, but if it's another season like this one I may give up altogether rather than put myself through it all for another year.
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It is true though, I don't think anybody wants to go there if they had the choice. It is the same 11 players, same manager, same kit and same badge. It is nothing to do with Tim Fisher, SISU or ACL and to be honest I doubt many give 2 shits while sitting their watching a football match. Yes there is no atmosphere, it is usually windy as shit but to be honest you don't think about it as you just focus on what is happening on the pitch. You just watch the game, jump up if we score, head in hands if we miss, swear if we let in a goal, shout forward everytime we get the ball and then go home happy if we win or if we lose even angrier because of having to drive further home.
 
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