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PVA

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  • May 1, 2022
  • #71
Grendel said:
Where are we in the goals scored league?

How much would O Hare be worth in the transfer market as a guess
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In a shocking turn of events you're wrong again.

Doesn't matter where we are in the goals scored charts - the point is we should have scored more.


 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 1, 2022
  • #72
PVA said:
In a shocking turn of events you're wrong again.

Doesn't matter where we are in the goals scored charts - the point is we should have scored more.


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lol on that basis you’d be recommending we get rid of the biggest culprits Gyokeres and o hare I assume

If you did get rid of them where would we be if their replacements didn’t reach their level of play.

That’s effectively what you are saying - replace the players - I think that’s a strategy for less points not more
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • May 1, 2022
  • #73
PVA said:
In a shocking turn of events you're wrong again.

Doesn't matter where we are in the goals scored charts - the point is we should have scored more.


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Heard Oggy make a point when I was driving back from the match about the number of games we’ve taken the lead in, something like 15, only lost 1 and got 34 points (I think). We’ve gone behind in something like 27 games. We take the chances and that doesn’t happen

I take Grendels point that defence needs to be better as well but yesterday, we miss three clear cut, they score a belter and can shut up shop
 
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Grendel

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  • May 1, 2022
  • #74
No I see what it says now
 

cc84cov

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  • May 1, 2022
  • #75
Sick Boy said:
Surely we should be trying to ensure we actually finish in the top half this season?
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Tell robins we all agree
 

cc84cov

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  • May 1, 2022
  • #76
Jamesimus said:
Haha fucking hell, this one has killed me off
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True though
 

Grendel

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  • May 1, 2022
  • #77
CCFCSteve said:
Heard Oggy make a point when I was driving back from the match about the number of games we’ve taken the lead in, something like 15, only lost 1 and got 34 points (I think). We’ve gone behind in something like 27 games. We take the chances and that doesn’t happen

I take Grendels point that defence needs to be better as well but yesterday, we miss three clear cut, they score a belter and can shut up shop
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The problem is this doesn’t operate in tbe real world - it’s over simplistic and doesn’t factor in the impact of removing players who aren’t converting - we concede poor goals and the last two home games show that. It would certainly have us drawing against Bournemouth and probably beating Huddersfield but you concede 3 at home and 2 and home then you more likely than not to lose those games
 
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PVA

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  • May 1, 2022
  • #78
Grendel said:
lol on that basis you’d be recommending we get rid of the biggest culprits Gyokeres and o hare I assume

If you did get rid of them where would we be if their replacements didn’t reach their level of play.

That’s effectively what you are saying - replace the players - I think that’s a strategy for less points not more
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Can you point out where I, or anyone, has said that we should get rid of O'Hare and Gyokeres?

Imagine wanting your team to finish as low as possible so you can moan and point score on the Internet. You should go and support Man City, I think you'd enjoy it more.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • May 1, 2022
  • #79
Grendel said:
The problem is this doesn’t operate in tbe real world - it’s over simplistic and doesn’t factor in the impact of removing players who aren’t converting
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The fact is we’ve got to be a bit better at both ends of the pitch. That’s why we’re currently a mid table team and not play offs. Been fun to watch though
 
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Grendel

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  • May 1, 2022
  • #80
PVA said:
Can you point out where I, or anyone, has said that we should get rid of O'Hare and Gyokeres?

Imagine wanting your team to finish as low as possible so you can moan and point score on the Internet. What a sad existence.

Piss off and support Liverpool or Man City, I think you'd enjoy it a bit more.
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Well you are saying we should score more goals.

You are saying that the defence isn’t the issue goals are - Gyokeres I think has had the most shots in the league hasnt he and one of these charts say he should be on 27 goals

You are saying we need to have people with better conversion rates than Gyokeres and o hare so your solution is what? Replace them.

I believe we can’t realistically improve on the league position by signing better than Gyokeres but stop leaking goals with players better equipped in playing the back 3 and stop conceding every home game first
 

Jamesimus

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  • May 1, 2022
  • #81
cc84cov said:
True though
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Never change.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • May 1, 2022
  • #82
Evo1883 said:
Hopefully , we need a bigger squad
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The size of the squad isn't the issue at all. It's a complete myth used as a scapegoat to brush aside glaringly obvious mistakes in the recruitment department - namely regarding who gets offered what in terms of contracts. Understandably our budget is smaller than most but that doesn't change the fact that we have to utilise it better next season, if anything it highlights it.

Last summer we began the season with more or less a full Starting XI of players that either had no chance of playing a part this season or would be quickly frozen out.

This summer that number will be reduced to around 5-6 which is progress but it's still far too much deadwood eating up the budget and needs to be reduced further - which is far easier said than done.
 
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Covkid1968#

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  • May 1, 2022
  • #83
I’ve loved it this season. To get to the last 3 games still with a chance of top 6 is huge improvement. But it means feck all if we don’t build on it next year. We have to trust in MR and hope the owners support him
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • May 1, 2022
  • #84
Sick Boy said:
Surely we should be trying to ensure we actually finish in the top half this season?
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Does it really make any difference? I would rather the focus on next season now. Give experience to players like Eccles in my view.
 
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better days

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  • May 1, 2022
  • #85
South West Sky Blue said:
One other point…….
Grendel can be a wind-up merchant who tries to incite a reaction from others.
However, when living through the match-thread earlier today- I think he was very harshly treated.
He was consistently lambasted for being pro-COH. I know he can invite criticism (Grendel), but many of the comments were OTT.
Grendel is a clear fan of COH. I am as well, along with many others. I think we’d be a much worse team without him. Every mistake COH makes was an excuse to “have a go” at Grendel.

Criticise him for other comments, but anything relate to COH is a little harsh.

NB: yes COH’s finishing needs drastic improvement!
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I like @Grendel
Lots of what he says makes sense
Sometimes he talks bollocks
But then so do I......
 
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clint van damme

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  • May 1, 2022
  • #86
Deleted member 9744 said:
Does it really make any difference? I would rather the focus on next season now. Give experience to players like Eccles in my view.
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I think we'll be seeing a lot more of Eccles next season. Think we'd have seen a fair bit this season if he hadn't got injured.
 
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Moff

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  • May 1, 2022
  • #87
clint van damme said:
I think we'll be seeing a lot more of Eccles next season. Think we'd have seen a fair bit this season if he hadn't got injured.
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Totally agree.
Thought both he and his Jones got very involved in the end of the game yesterday, and would like to see Eccles get more game time when fit, and I’d like Jodi to stay as well.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • May 1, 2022
  • #88
South West Sky Blue said:
One other point…….
Grendel can be a wind-up merchant who tries to incite a reaction from others.
However, when living through the match-thread earlier today- I think he was very harshly treated.
He was consistently lambasted for being pro-COH. I know he can invite criticism (Grendel), but many of the comments were OTT.
Grendel is a clear fan of COH. I am as well, along with many others. I think we’d be a much worse team without him. Every mistake COH makes was an excuse to “have a go” at Grendel.

Criticise him for other comments, but anything relate to COH is a little harsh.

NB: yes COH’s finishing needs drastic improvement!
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It's just a think Grendel does that encourages people to bite.

He has opinions on players that he will not waive from and so a tiny mistake by one of his non-favourites will be picked up on while the same mistake from CoH will be excused for something or he'll point out how much he's added over other games.

Had a skim through the match thread yesterday afterwards and Grendel was critical of Allen and Hamer but constantly defending O'Hare. It's the lack of consistency and fairness that just gets people to respond to him (of which I am also guilty).
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • May 1, 2022
  • #89
Sick Boy said:
Surely we should be trying to ensure we actually finish in the top half this season?
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Maybe, but as far as I know it doesn't affect the prize money we recieve and if there's something we can do that could help us build towards next season such as looking at squad players or giving experience to youngsters, even if just on the bench, that would be a more sensible use of the game. If you don't need to eat the potato today you could plant it and get a good crop of potatoes in the future instead.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • May 1, 2022
  • #90
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Maybe, but as far as I know it doesn't affect the prize money we recieve and if there's something we can do that could help us build towards next season such as looking at squad players or giving experience to youngsters, even if just on the bench, that would be a more sensible use of the game. If you don't need to eat the potato today you could plant it and get a good crop of potatoes in the future instead.
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None of that is going to be overly beneficial for next season.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • May 1, 2022
  • #91
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
The size of the squad isn't the issue at all. It's a complete myth used as a scapegoat to brush aside glaringly obvious mistakes in the recruitment department - namely regarding who gets offered what in terms of contracts. Understandably our budget is smaller than most but that doesn't change the fact that we have to utilise it better next season, if anything it highlights it.

Last summer we began the season with more or less a full Starting XI of players that either had no chance of playing a part this season or would be quickly frozen out.

This summer that number will be reduced to around 5-6 which is progress but it's still far too much deadwood eating up the budget and needs to be reduced further - which is far easier said than done.
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I agree. If all of those players we have that should have been vying for first team spots but weren't had been up to scratch our squad size would have been OK. Every club will have some duds though, so in reality you need a few more because it'd be practically impossible to have every player playing as expected.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • May 1, 2022
  • #92
Sick Boy said:
None of that is going to be overly beneficial for next season.
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Maybe. Maybe not.

But let's say we play Hamer and he scores/creates a goal in a win, but gets booked and so misses the first three games of next season. Is that a worthwhile trade off? Personally I'd leave Hamer out of this game to ensure he's not suspended starting next year, even though we'll be weaker for that one game.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • May 1, 2022
  • #93
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Maybe. Maybe not.

But let's say we play Hamer and he scores/creates a goal in a win, but gets booked and so misses the first three games of next season. Is that a worthwhile trade off? Personally I'd leave Hamer out of this game to ensure he's not suspended starting next year, even though we'll be weaker for that one game.
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If he’s on his bike that will be someone else’s problem ! I’ve been really impressed with his self discipline in the last few games, unfortunately it probably makes him more attractive to potential buyers
 
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Grendel

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  • May 1, 2022
  • #94
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
It's just a think Grendel does that encourages people to bite.

He has opinions on players that he will not waive from and so a tiny mistake by one of his non-favourites will be picked up on while the same mistake from CoH will be excused for something or he'll point out how much he's added over other games.

Had a skim through the match thread yesterday afterwards and Grendel was critical of Allen and Hamer but constantly defending O'Hare. It's the lack of consistency and fairness that just gets people to respond to him (of which I am also guilty).
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Ive always said i like hamer but he’s off the ball work is poor

I think Bidwell is ok despite some on here saying otherwise which is funny considering people used to blow smoke up Ryan Haynes arse

Allen is just mediocre at everything

O hare is integral to the team and that’s it yet I voted as POY Gyokeres who some experts thought we should send back to Brighton and give Biamou another year
 
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Paxman II

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  • May 1, 2022
  • #95
I would disagree with you on hamer. watching him yesterday, he was a different class at times. As for off the ball work he made plenty of interceptions and winning the ball back, covering for others too. In fact he looked like the one that would score until Gykores finally.
 
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mmttww

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  • May 1, 2022
  • #96
PVA said:
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This, for me, is massively instructive. Was talking to my brother about this earlier, wondered where we'd be on xG.

Anyone think we should prioritise a coach(es) entirely focused on finishing, mental and technical aspects?

Adding Viveash, we took steps fwd. Lawrence this year, same. Might be as important as player recruitment.
 
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