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  • Start date Jul 21, 2014
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sky blue john

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  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #351
Samo said:
Oh the crushing irony.
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Four words your a quick learner.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #352
spider_ricoh said:
This is the same FL who have not applied the statutory penalties (should have been 15 points, not 10), not refused permission for move to Sixfields (against their rules) allowed CCFC to continue with Joy as a shadow director (against their own rules), randomly gave the golden share without challenging Appleton's pretend uncertainty about who held it) - they have bent over backwards at every stage to accommodate SISU.

If I was the FL I'd have tried to find justification for a Luton-style 30 point penalty, then refuse the move to Sixfileds or insist that the club pay back the missing 43 years of the lease at £1.3m as a penalty for leaving the Ricoh
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It's seems to me you'd be salivating at the prospect of a 30 points penalty.

Why do you hate the club and us who follow them?
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #353
sky blue john said:
Why are you even bothering when you don't even have any of the basic historical facts ?
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Was it a loan? Who owned Football Investors Ltd? Did CCFC or its directors not make any investment in FIL? Was it a joint venture? Come on John, think for yourself eh. ...
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #354
spider_ricoh said:
This is the same FL who have not applied the statutory penalties (should have been 15 points, not 10), not refused permission for move to Sixfields (against their rules) allowed CCFC to continue with Joy as a shadow director (against their own rules), randomly gave the golden share without challenging Appleton's pretend uncertainty about who held it) - they have bent over backwards at every stage to accommodate SISU.

If I was the FL I'd have tried to find justification for a Luton-style 30 point penalty, then refuse the move to Sixfileds or insist that the club pay back the missing 43 years of the lease at £1.3m as a penalty for leaving the Ricoh
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You sound like you wanted them to. See my quote of NW's post.
 

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #355
So if CCFC get docked points because Sisu have not kept to the whatever was agreed with the FL.
Who will be to blame ?
 

covmark

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #356
sky blue john said:
Four words your a quick learner.
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You're not your!!!!!!!
Lol
Lmfao!!!
 

davebart

Active Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #357
Its horrible isn't it?

Ostensibly this statement offers some hope for a change of attitude.

Ultimately there are so many opportunities to make it mean something else that you cannot believe it. And given past history we are entitled to some scepticism.

I haven't read the full 36 pages but this stands out to me.

Joy Seppala's name has been removed as an author.
 

spider_ricoh

New Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #358
Grendel said:
It's seems to me you'd be salivating at the prospect of a 30 points penalty.

Why do you hate the club and us who follow them?
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I don't hate the players, staff or fans - but I do hate SISU and if you count them as "the club", then it;s because of their incompetence, lying, scheming, and general disregard for the fans - they have dismantled the club and still people like you cling to them.
 

letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #359
sorry to inform you but I agree that both sides are to blame.

However unlike you how can the ones that took our team away SISU ever be forgiven and how that cancels out is beyond even me?


torchomatic said:
Wrong SISU are to blame and I've said that a zillion times. However, I also blame ACL, so to black and whiters like yourself the second cancels out the first.
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letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #360
Well if they legally owe them nothing then I can see another Sisu court case coming up after all they don't like paying even bills they do owe?


Grendel said:
Legally sisu owe ACL nothing. It's the football league that inserted a clause saying that ACL should receive an amount. This amount will be determined on 7th august.
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letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #361
It's just like you Hate the concrete soulless Ricioh in a run down area of a City you really detest?

Grendel said:
It's seems to me you'd be salivating at the prospect of a 30 points penalty.

Why do you hate the club and us who follow them?
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torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #362
Who says SISU are forgiven? Did I say that? If so, I apologise, but I'm sure I didn't.

letsallsingtogether said:
sorry to inform you but I agree that both sides are to blame.

However unlike you how can the ones that took our team away SISU ever be forgiven and how that cancels out is beyond even me?
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Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #363
sky blue john said:
So if CCFC get docked points because Sisu have not kept to the whatever was agreed with the FL.
Who will be to blame ?
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But they won't will they.... they have met the conditions set out by the FL. You're making an argument out of something that is non-existent now.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #364
Wouldn't your fantastic idea of docking them 30 points and making them what pay over £40M for the rest of the rent agreement also "dismantle" the club somewhat? People don't "cling" to SISU, they cling to CCFC, more so because they have been taken away from the City.

spider_ricoh said:
I don't hate the players, staff or fans - but I do hate SISU and if you count them as "the club", then it;s because of their incompetence, lying, scheming, and general disregard for the fans - they have dismantled the club and still people like you cling to them.
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letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #365
You said cancelled out in my book that is forgiven nothing anyone can do to our club can ever cancel that out.
torchomatic said:
Who says SISU are forgiven? Did I say that? If so, I apologise, but I'm sure I didn't.
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olderskyblue

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #366
Nick said:
You do realise a lot of anti SISU people have met with Joy too?
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Are you suggesting Rob S is Pro SISU ??
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #367
I said that I have stated many times "SISU are to blame" but also said I blame ACL. Many people won't have a word said against ACL so I said for many (including yourself) that makes them "forget" the times where I've said "SISU are to blame".

Thus, I was saying that "for many" the second statement cancels the first out. I was saying YOU and OTHERS and THEIR perception of ME and WHAT I SAY. Nothing to do with cancelling ANY blame from SISU.

Comprehension.

letsallsingtogether said:
You said cancelled out in my book that is forgiven nothing anyone can do to our club can ever cancel that out.
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letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #368
My perception of you is the same as yours is of me.
As for blaming CCC/ ACL they have their faults but as in life the biggest culprits have to shoulder the blame.
So if Sisu bring us home who knows the blame may shift the other way.

torchomatic said:
I said that I have stated many times "SISU are to blame" but also said I blame ACL. Many people won't have a word said against ACL so I said for many (including yourself) that makes them "forget" the times where I've said "SISU are to blame".

Thus, I was saying that "for many" the second statement cancels the first out. I was saying YOU and OTHERS and THEIR perception of ME and WHAT I SAY. Nothing to do with cancelling ANY blame from SISU.

Comprehension.
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sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #369
Ian1779 said:
But they won't will they.... they have met the conditions set out by the FL. You're making an argument out of something that is non-existent now.
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You must be very confident in Sisu to make that statement ?
None of us really know if Sisu have met the conditions of the FL we will find out on the 7th.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #370
I'm sure it does. What I was trying to say (and not very well) that I do not cancel out any blame for SISU. They do have the lion's share of the blame, no doubt. Anyway, let's hope we do come back to the Ricoh sooner rather than later.

letsallsingtogether said:
My perception of you is the same as yours is of me.
As for blaming CCC/ ACL they have their faults but as in life the biggest culprits have to shoulder the blame.
So if Sisu bring us home who knows the blame may shift the other way.
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letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #371
Of course he is.

Oh and by the way I have met with Joy with my co conspirators no more anti Sisu then us,
In fact she asked to see us personally.
olderskyblue said:
Are you suggesting Rob S is Pro SISU ??
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letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #372
And I'll buy you a pint..


torchomatic said:
I'm sure it does. What I was trying to say (and not very well) that I do not cancel out any blame for SISU. They do have the lion's share of the blame, no doubt. Anyway, let's hope we do come back to the Ricoh sooner rather than later.
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sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #373
letsallsingtogether said:
Of course he is.

Oh and by the way I have met with Joy with my co conspirators no more anti Sisu then us,
In fact she asked to see us personally.
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Joy is happy to meet with anyone who holds the council solely responsible for the CCFC/ Sisu mess.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #374
Don't drink. An Irn Bru would be nice though...

letsallsingtogether said:
And I'll buy you a pint..
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torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #375
No one exists who blames the Council solely for this mess. Well, maybe in your fevered brain.

sky blue john said:
Joy is happy to meet with anyone who holds the council solely responsible for the CCFC/ Sisu mess.
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sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #376
torchomatic said:
No one exists who blames the Council solely for this mess. Well, maybe in your fevered brain.
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Are you so sure ?
I could name Joy Seppela.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #377
letsallsingtogether said:
Of course he is.

Oh and by the way I have met with Joy with my co conspirators no more anti Sisu then us,
In fact she asked to see us personally.
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sky blue john said:
Joy is happy to meet with anyone who holds the council solely responsible for the CCFC/ Sisu mess.
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There you go, tarred for life as pro SISU, anti council!
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #378
sky blue john said:
Joy is happy to meet with anyone who holds the council solely responsible for the CCFC/ Sisu mess.
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So now let'sall solely blames the council?
 

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #379
Deleted member 5849 said:
There you go, tarred for life as pro SISU, anti council!
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We were both being sarcastic regarding Rob S. His 6 hour meeting.
 

Rob S

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #380
MusicDating said:
What contracts are you referring to RobS? Don't ACL still have a deal with Compass that would need to be part of F&B negotiations?
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I meant any contracts between ACL & CCFC, e.g. rent, service charges etc.
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #381
sky blue john said:
We were both being sarcastic regarding Rob S. His 6 hour meeting.
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Any more time and he will be on the payroll.
 
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No future with SISU

New Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #382
Ian1779 said:
How do you come to that conclusion exactly?
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As SISU TOLD the FL do not pay as we do not think we owe the full amount. SISU control when the money is paid, all they have to do is contact the FL and say pay ACL and it will be paid. SISU control the account untill the 7th August after that as the FL is trying to run the show, God knows what will happen.
 
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No future with SISU

New Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #383
Grendel said:
The club should never have prostituted itself to the council.

Mcginnity post relegation should have just put us into administration. All creditors debts would go and no points reduction. Then with parachute payments in year two should have bought Highfield road back.

Condemning us to the worst rent deal in football was pure idiocy.

Then when dumbo ranson turned up with his equally dumb hedge fund they thought the best strategy for a quick profit was the premier league. Not when dumb brain appoints Coleman it isn't. They should have just not paid the rent straight away. ACL would have collapsed in an instant and they'd have got the ground.
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They stopped paying the rent and ACL did not collapse in an instant. Another one of in your dreams, like the council was going to lose the JR.
 

Rob S

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #384
sky blue john said:
Are you so sure ?
I could name Joy Seppela.
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I probably should know better than to get involved in this now the thread has descended to where it has but here we go...

She has both publicly in the press and privately in meetings with fans – including at least one fan who I know to be an anti-Sisu/Sixfields boycotter – admitted to mistakes and apologised. Fisher & Labo have also gone on record publicly apologising too. I think it was Labo that came out with the immortal 'If I was a lifelong Coventry City fan, I'd be anti-Sisu too.'

(Not saying that it makes it OK, not saying that people should accept anything, just reporting some facts.)
 

covmark

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #385
No future with SISU said:
As SISU TOLD the FL do not pay as we do not think we owe the full amount. SISU control when the money is paid, all they have to do is contact the FL and say pay ACL and it will be paid. SISU control the account untill the 7th August after that as the FL is trying to run the show, God knows what will happen.
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How do you know Sisu control this? I've not seen that anywhere.
 
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