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sky blue john

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  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #316
Grendel said:
I think you'll find this is the view of No Future Without A Brain Cell - not mine.
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Lol !!
Where does he say this ?
Its just another one of your made up fantasies !
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #317
No future with SISU said:
SISU are taken action against ACL loan providers, in an effort to bankrupt ACL. Simple even for you grendel.
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sky blue john said:
Lol !!
Where does he say this ?
Its just another one of your made up fantasies !
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Unless he believed this scenario will happen he can't use it as an argument for ACL to negotiate. ACL are not the council.
 

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #318
Grendel said:
Unless he believed this scenario will happen he can't use it as an argument for ACL to negotiate. ACL are not the council.
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Everyone knows that Acl is half owned by the council your ramblings don't make any sense !
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #319
spider_ricoh said:
Equally, the club were a basket case when the council had to act as lender of last resort and step in to save the Ricoh project. They would never have got funding for this from commercial lenders (they tried) on a paltry return of £1m per year - state aid by any other name. Funny how they club don't moan about that - it's called "having your cake and eating it" - not on.
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The club should never have prostituted itself to the council.

Mcginnity post relegation should have just put us into administration. All creditors debts would go and no points reduction. Then with parachute payments in year two should have bought Highfield road back.

Condemning us to the worst rent deal in football was pure idiocy.

Then when dumbo ranson turned up with his equally dumb hedge fund they thought the best strategy for a quick profit was the premier league. Not when dumb brain appoints Coleman it isn't. They should have just not paid the rent straight away. ACL would have collapsed in an instant and they'd have got the ground.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #320
spider_ricoh said:
Equally, the club were a basket case when the council had to act as lender of last resort and step in to save the Ricoh project. They would never have got funding for this from commercial lenders (they tried) on a paltry return of £1m per year - state aid by any other name. Funny how they club don't moan about that - it's called "having your cake and eating it" - not on.
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Accidentally liked this nonsense. The council loaned the club nothing. They invested in an asset that they kept.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #321
sky blue john said:
Everyone knows that Acl is half owned by the council your ramblings don't make any sense !
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Legally they are a separate company. So what anyway? Do you think the appeal will bankrupt ACL? If not it doesn't stop any talks does it?
 

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #322
Grendel said:
Legally they are a separate company. So what anyway? Do you think the appeal will bankrupt ACL? If not it doesn't stop any talks does it?
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Lmfao !!
Your madder than a march hare if you really believe that negotiations and relationships can be rebuilt, whilst there is ongoing court actions ???
 

Rob S

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #323
shmmeee said:
Rob: Nothing has changed. The legal threat has always been an issue with sorting revenues.

What's happened is that Sisu are stating the same terms for a short term return as they were asking before for a long one.

Isn't the whole point of a short term deal to stop the damage while these finer details are sorted or a ground is built?

If Sisu were offering a return while negotiations were on going Id be all over it. But they're not. They're just restating the terms that lead to the fall out in the first place.

I wish all sides would realise this and refocus on a demand for a short term return immediately with no conditions from either side, rather than fall for this quite simple bait and switch.
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You're right. In a lot of ways, nothing has changed. But what has changed is, as I say, that there are no contracts in place anymore and there's also a lot of water under the bridge. The situation (i.e. with all sides in this) has gone from 'we're negotiating' to 'we're not talking and CCFC are in Northampton and say they're never coming back' to 'we might start negotiating again'. So it changed and then changed back I guess, minus the contracts.

Again, referring back to what I said earlier, and I think we might be agreeing on this...do either side actually want to do a deal? They're all playing a game. The key thing is if all sides can be gently or not-so-gently be brought to the table by anyone who can have an influence then we, the fans, could win that game. Or at least not lose..?
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #324
sky blue john said:
Lmfao !!
Your madder than a march hare if you really believe that negotiations and relationships can be rebuilt, whilst there is ongoing court actions ???
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What if negotiations break down?
 

Moff

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #325
sky blue john said:
Lmfao !!
Your madder than a march hare if you really believe that negotiations and relationships can be rebuilt, whilst there is ongoing court actions ???
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Yes it would be as mad negotiating whilst also trying to get 590k in cash owed, when actually some of it had already paid by guarantors. It works both ways John.
 

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #326
fernandopartridge said:
Accidentally liked this nonsense. The council loaned the club nothing. They invested in an asset that they kept.
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Lol !!
So the club didn't have 50% of Acl and the F&b revenue ?
 

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #327
Moff said:
Yes it would be as mad, as trying to get 590k in cash owed, when some of it had alreday paid by guarantors. It works both ways John.
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Where did I mention anything about this ?
You must be the mad hare's twin !
 

ajsccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #328
Someone stop him.
 

spider_ricoh

New Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #329
Grendel said:
Legally they are a separate company. So what anyway? Do you think the appeal will bankrupt ACL? If not it doesn't stop any talks does it?
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Why should ACL negotiate when SISU are still trying for the JR appeal? I wouldn't negotiate with anyone who was bringing expensive, distracting and unreasonably litigation against me purely for the effect of distressing my company.

SISU must choose - talks or legal action.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #330
Won't somebody think of the exclamation marks!
 

Moff

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #331
sky blue john said:
Where did I mention anything about this ?
You must be the mad hare's twin !
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Are you deliberately thick or does it just come natural.ointlaugh:

You stated it wouldn't be great to negotiate whilst SISU have legal action pending against Council (ACL)
I have stated that from the opposing side it isn't great to negotiate whilst ACL are trying to get 590 when allegedly some of it has already been paid. I was highlighting, that both sides have some backing down to do, rather than you just posting it from your slanted view.

I obviously didn't realise you were too stupid to see past your blinkers, and really if anyone round here is mad its you, you clown.
 

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #332
Deleted member 5849 said:
Won't somebody think of the exclamation marks!
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Won't somebody just think for themselves ?
 

MusicDating

Euro 2016 Prediction League Champion!!
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #333
Rob S said:
You're right. In a lot of ways, nothing has changed. But what has changed is, as I say, that there are no contracts in place anymore and there's also a lot of water under the bridge. The situation (i.e. with all sides in this) has gone from 'we're negotiating' to 'we're not talking and CCFC are in Northampton and say they're never coming back' to 'we might start negotiating again'. So it changed and then changed back I guess, minus the contracts.

Again, referring back to what I said earlier, and I think we might be agreeing on this...do either side actually want to do a deal? They're all playing a game. The key thing is if all sides can be gently or not-so-gently be brought to the table by anyone who can have an influence then we, the fans, could win that game. Or at least not lose..?
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What contracts are you referring to RobS? Don't ACL still have a deal with Compass that would need to be part of F&B negotiations?
 

spider_ricoh

New Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #334
Moff said:
Are you deliberately thick or does it just come natural.ointlaugh:

You stated it wouldn't be great to negotiate whilst SISU have legal action pending against Council (ACL)
I have stated that from the opposing side it isn't great to negotiate whilst ACL are trying to get 590 when allegedly some of it has already been paid. I was highlighting, that both sides have some backing down to do, rather than you just posting it from your slanted view.

I obviously didn't realise you were too stupid to see past your blinkers, and really if anyone round here is mad its you, you clown.
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Moff, the fact is that if I was ACL, I wouldn't be happy to leave the judgement on the £590,000 to the FL - the FL are in SISU's back pocket.
 

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #335
Moff said:
Are you deliberately thick or does it just come natural.ointlaugh:

You stated it wouldn't be great to negotiate whilst SISU have legal action pending against Council (ACL)
I have stated that from the opposing side it isn't great to negotiate whilst ACL are trying to get 590 when allegedly some of it has already been paid. I was highlighting, that both sides have some backing down to do, rather than you just posting it from your slanted view.

I obviously didn't realise you were too stupid to see past your blinkers, and really if anyone round here is mad its you, you clown.
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Lol !!
Please enlighten me with the full nature of the arrangement that the football league imposed ?
It's laughable that you believe Sisu don't know how much they have to pay !
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #336
spider_ricoh said:
Moff, the fact is that if I was ACL, I wouldn't be happy to leave the judgement on the £590,000 to the FL - the FL are in SISU's back pocket.
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The only reason there's any payment to be made in the first place is thanks to the Football League.
 

Samo

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #337
Deleted member 5849 said:
Won't somebody think of the exclamation marks!
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Poor things! Not as overworked as SBK's quotation marks though.
 

Samo

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #338
sky blue john said:
Won't somebody just think for themselves ?
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Cringe
 

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #339
Deleted member 5849 said:
The only reason there's any payment to be made in the first place is thanks to the Football League.
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Exactly but Sisu have played the FL just like they have us the fans.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #340
spider_ricoh said:
Moff, the fact is that if I was ACL, I wouldn't be happy to leave the judgement on the £590,000 to the FL - the FL are in SISU's back pocket.
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Legally sisu owe ACL nothing. It's the football league that inserted a clause saying that ACL should receive an amount. This amount will be determined on 7th august.
 

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #341
Samo said:
Cringe
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If you can only manage one word can suggest evening classes.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #342
sky blue john said:
If you can only manage one word can suggest evening classes.
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John I think you really shouldn't be on the sherry this early. Especially in the heat. Go and have a lie down and call one of the nurses, there's a good chap.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #343
sky blue john said:
Lol !!
So the club didn't have 50% of Acl and the F&b revenue ?
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Was that a loan?
 

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #344
Grendel said:
Legally sisu owe ACL nothing. It's the football league that inserted a clause saying that ACL should receive an amount. This amount will be determined on 7th august.
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Maybe not but they did break a 40 million pound lease ?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #345
sky blue john said:
Maybe not but they did break a 40 million pound lease ?
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No that company went into liquidation owing nothing. A new company now owns the club.
 

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #346
fernandopartridge said:
Was that a loan?
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Why are you even bothering when you don't even have any of the basic historical facts ?
 

spider_ricoh

New Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #347
Grendel said:
Legally sisu owe ACL nothing. It's the football league that inserted a clause saying that ACL should receive an amount. This amount will be determined on 7th august.
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This is the same FL who have not applied the statutory penalties (should have been 15 points, not 10), not refused permission for move to Sixfields (against their rules) allowed CCFC to continue with Joy as a shadow director (against their own rules), randomly gave the golden share without challenging Appleton's pretend uncertainty about who held it) - they have bent over backwards at every stage to accommodate SISU.

If I was the FL I'd have tried to find justification for a Luton-style 30 point penalty, then refuse the move to Sixfileds or insist that the club pay back the missing 43 years of the lease at £1.3m as a penalty for leaving the Ricoh
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #348
Deleted member 5849 said:
The only reason there's any payment to be made in the first place is thanks to the Football League.
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Yes. You wonder why CCFC were even docked 10 points when the FL effectively guaranteed that the CVA wouldn't be agreed by promising £590k to ACL anyway.
 

Samo

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #349
sky blue john said:
If you can only manage one word can suggest evening classes.
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Oh the crushing irony.
 

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2014
  • #350
Grendel said:
No that company went into liquidation owing nothing. A new company now owns the club.
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Are you saying that the club has new owners ?
 
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