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New stadium - Okay, let's just suppose for a moment (7 Viewers)

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  • Start date Dec 30, 2014
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Grendel

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  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #106
Astute said:
Man City?

It is as much about a clubs owners and how they run a club as much as getting a good rental agreement.
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So if man city were a league one club with the same rent deal that they are now they would be ok?

Lol just lol.
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #107
@ Samo....I'll just say this to you mate................................Gillingham
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #108
RFC said:
Nick just out of interest the new stadium is likely to start with a capacity of around 18,000 and expand as and when the club becomes more successful!
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Funny the picture showed a 30,000 seater stadium, exactly the same as Brentfords proposal but with the red seats photoshopped with Blue seats. FACT
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #109
italiahorse said:
Err ........................ and the evidence ?

Swansea own 25% of the management company Ospreys 25% and the council 50% IIRC
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Seriously can you show me where it says they own 50% as every article I see is a third.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #110
Grendel said:
No its on a lifetime lease to the management company. Also interestingly it sold some of the land around the stadium and gave an equal share of the proceeds of sale to the football club as in its view that was not breaching regulations that our council deemed they would be when creaming £60 million for the sale of the land to Tescos.
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Next you be remembering that they built a ground for our club and gave us
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #111
RFC said:
Nick just out of interest the new stadium is likely to start with a capacity of around 18,000 and expand as and when the club becomes more successful!
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I would argue that's too many.
 

skybluebeduff

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #112
RFC said:
Nick just out of interest the new stadium is likely to start with a capacity of around 18,000 and expand as and when the club becomes more successful!
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What time frame are we looking at then? The more this goes on, the less fans they'll have to fill it.
 
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LB87ccfc

Member
  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #113
RFC said:
Nick just out of interest the new stadium is likely to start with a capacity of around 18,000 and expand as and when the club becomes more successful!
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Wow thanks Tim.
 

Samo

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #114
Sky Blue Kid said:
@ Samo....I'll just say this to you mate................................Gillingham
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Erm... I believe SISU were in charge of the club when that game took place.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #115
Grendel said:
So if man city were a league one club with the same rent deal that they are now they would be ok?

Lol just lol.
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If they are on a peppercorn rent then yes.

The fact is we don't know what the rent is now, we also don't know what incomes we have access to.
We do know that TF has asked for a fifth year.
We have seen no information on financing a new stadium, who owns it, how much rent will we pay and what incomes will go to the club.
Yet people believe a new stadium is the way forward. How do they know ?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #116
italiahorse said:
If they are on a peppercorn rent then yes.

The fact is we don't know what the rent is now, we also don't know what incomes we have access to.
We do know that TF has asked for a fifth year.
We have seen no information on financing a new stadium, who owns it, how much rent will we pay and what incomes will go to the club.
Yet people believe a new stadium is the way forward. How do they know ?
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They pay £3 million a year in rent, hence my statement.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #117
Grendel said:
Seriously can you show me where it says they own 50% as every article I see is a third.
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Mine was a recollection.
Show me your articles, or just one?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #118
Grendel said:
So if man city were a league one club with the same rent deal that they are now they would be ok?

Lol just lol.
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I suppose you want us to play this game to your rules. Does this include pretending that Man City has always been a Prem side playing to a full house?
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #119
@ Grendel..... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...00.html................................... @ Samo....Exactly mate, what would happen with new owners do you think? Took my words before I could type it lol.
 
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Cheshire Sky Blue

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  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #120
AndreasB said:
Yeah ok - they say they love it but dont fucking go to it.
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Many don't go to the Arena because the football is very poor, the team is the worst we have had in many decades, and they hate SISU.

I for one think the RICOH is a great stadium, but I am sorely tempted not to go because of all the shit that we have had to put up with. The team is poor and the tactics even worse, and I have started to loose the faith. And that has nowt to do with the stadium.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #121
Sky Blue Kid said:
@ Grendel..... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-000.html...................................@ Samo....Exactly mate, what would happen with new owners do you think?
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But why doesn't the Swansea owner want to own their own ground? I keep hearing on here that we will never do any good without ownership.
 

Samo

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #122
Sky Blue Kid said:
@ Grendel..... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-000.html...................................@ Samo....Exactly mate, what would happen with new owners do you think?
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SBK, are you seriously suggesting that 18-20k of the Gills crowd were loyal CCFC fans and the only thing preventing their attendance (which they managed to overcome on this occassion) is sisu? Really?
 
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AndreasB

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  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #123
Cheshire Sky Blue said:
Many don't go to the Arena because the football is very poor, the team is the worst we have had in many decades, and they hate SISU.

I for one think the RICOH is a great stadium, but I am sorely tempted not to go because of all the shit that we have had to put up with. The team is poor and the tactics even worse, and I have started to loose the faith. And that has nowt to do with the stadium.
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Yeah but they are just crap excuses.
 

Astute

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  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #124
AndreasB said:
Yeah but they are just crap excuses.
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Yeah. Crap manager. Crap players. Crap football.
 

chiefdave

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  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #125
Astute said:
But why doesn't the Swansea owner want to own their own ground? I keep hearing on here that we will never do any good without ownership.
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At the moment they pay a peppercorn rent and receive the revenues, a great deal. If we could get similar from Wasps we should jump at the chance but I can't see them offering that. We will be paying a much higher rent and receiving less in revenues.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #126
I hear Real Madrid are the opposite. Shall be go and support them?

Astute said:
Yeah. Crap manager. Crap players. Crap football.
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Astute

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  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #127
chiefdave said:
At the moment they pay a peppercorn rent and receive the revenues, a great deal. If we could get similar from Wasps we should jump at the chance but I can't see them offering that. We will be paying a much higher rent and receiving less in revenues.
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Didn't someone show last week that they paid over 1m a year then tried to make out that the revenue receipts were profit?
 

Samo

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  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #128
torchomatic said:
I hear Real Madrid are the opposite. Shall be go and support them?
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Is it further than Northampton?
 

Astute

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  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #129
torchomatic said:
I hear Real Madrid are the opposite. Shall be go and support them?
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Best plan I have seen for ages on here
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #130
Samo....What I 'm saying is I think that 18-20k fans would be at least the norm with good owners in charge that think of the team rather than their "Investors" and "Back pocketing every penny that is generated by the team. These crowds were the norm before SISU arrived, and IMHO will be the norm when they have F**ked off mate
 

Astute

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  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #131
Samo said:
Is it further than Northampton?
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I have been to Madrid more times than Northampton.
 

standupforcity

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #132
AndreasB said:
oh what rubbish - we were down to below 10,000 before the wasps deal was even mentioned.
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Nothing to do with what Otis is saying here in 'let's just suppose' OP.....your point is for a different thread!
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #133
Astute said:
Didn't someone show last week that they paid over 1m a year then tried to make out that the revenue receipts were profit?
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Don't really know any great detail about it but I think they essentially pay zero rent and then split the maintenance costs and revenues. If you're not paying rent to anyone they aren't going to be spending money maintaining the stadium! The revenue as profit thing sounds similar to the cross invoicing ACL proposed. The difference being in ACLs proposal they would have still got the money not us.
 
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AndreasB

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  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #134
Sky Blue Kid said:
Samo....What I 'm saying is I think that 18-20k fans would be at least the norm with good owners in charge that think of the team rather than their "Investors" and "Back pocketing every penny that is generated by the team. These crowds were the norm before SISU arrived, and IMHO will be the norm when they have F**ked off mate
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Not sure there will be any new owners if the best we can do is make vague promises about attendances if they remain "good". Not much of a business plan is it?

Any new owners will have to do what SISU did and promise jam tomorrow - remember Ranson " We are not here to hang about in the Championship" he was right about that!
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #135
Astute said:
But why doesn't the Swansea owner want to own their own ground? I keep hearing on here that we will never do any good without ownership.
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They have a council which wants to work with the club rather than against them like ours. I was actually browsing the Swansea forums the other week when the Swansea - Ospreys ground share was bought up and there fans are not happy they will be paying to develop a stadium which they don't own, also I think someone said the other day Swansea make 6 million a year out of there stadium where as we make virtually nothing.
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #136
Sky Blue Kid said:
Samo....What I 'm saying is I think that 18-20k fans would be at least the norm with good owners in charge that think of the team rather than their "Investors" and "Back pocketing every penny that is generated by the team. These crowds were the norm before SISU arrived, and IMHO will be the norm when they have F**ked off mate
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Which was partly a boost from the Ricoh opening, we were averaging 14-16k in our final seasons at highfield road.
 

Samo

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #137
Sky Blue Kid said:
Samo....What I 'm saying is I think that 18-20k fans would be at least the norm with good owners in charge that think of the team rather than their "Investors" and "Back pocketing every penny that is generated by the team. These crowds were the norm before SISU arrived, and IMHO will be the norm when they have F**ked off mate
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In this division? With this manager? With this appalling football? Just because SISU have gone?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #138
CCFC said:
They have a council which wants to work with the club rather than against them like ours. I was actually browsing the Swansea forums the other week when the Swansea - Ospreys ground share was bought up and there fans are not happy they will be paying to develop a stadium which they don't own, also I think someone said the other day Swansea make 6 million a year out of there stadium where as we make virtually nothing.
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Said they made over 5m when they didn't. And yes they pay in over 1m a year.

CCC were happy working with our club until the endless fruitless litigation started. Remember the road map?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #139
Astute said:
Said they made over 5m when they didn't. And yes they pay in over 1m a year.

CCC were happy working with our club until the endless fruitless litigation started. Remember the road map?
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How could anybody forget, did the wife get you an atlas for Christmas as you go on about it enough.

Was the road map anything like the higgs formula?
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2014
  • #140
Astute said:
Said they made over 5m when they didn't. And yes they pay in over 1m a year.

CCC were happy working with our club until the endless fruitless litigation started. Remember the road map?
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Yes they were very happy working with us taking 1.2 million in rent and us paying match costs and not getting a penny in return. ACL and CCC had been crippling the club with the Ricoh rent and agreement years before the litigation started,whoever posted it definitely said 6 million. If we had such a deal at the Ricoh I don't think we would have left for Northampton.
 
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