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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #106
PVA said:
Very similar to that appalling half arsed punch v Southampton.

Wilson should start next game.
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I’d just play Moore at this point.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #107
torchomatic said:
Opposite end to us, so didn't really see what happened. Why not just smash it, even if you risk bringing the player down? That's woeful.
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Neither him or Wilson have that save it at all costs mentality that the best have.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #108
Sick Boy said:
Neither him or Wilson have that save it at all costs mentality that the best have.
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Despite the clean sheet thing, I would still get shot of Wilson and keep Collins as number two as he has shown some qualities and is a good stopper. Then again, what do I know? I wanted us to get rid of Burge and keep Charles-Cook (still think I was right on that one).
 
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MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #109
skybluecam said:
That's completely ignoring the benefits it gives you though.

I suppose by that logic we should revert to 442 big man little man route one cross it in the box since we can't possibly sign good footballers on our measly budget.
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What benefits would they be that outweigh the number of goals conceded due to a lack of goal keeping core skills? ProbaBly approaching 10 this season, perhaps more.

It makes me think about the number of times we have been denied by what we have thought was an outstanding performance by an opposition keeper. Perhaps we were wrong, perhaps those are the levels to be expected and we just have set the bar very low based on our keeper’s abilities.
 
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Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #110
I'd play whichever keeper you intend to keep next season
 

shmmeee

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  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #111
Cally Fedora said:
The problem is that what you need from a keeper now is a different skill set. We probably all think make saves, take crosses etc. But they are now required to play as some sort of pseudo sweeper. And are signed due to that skill. It’s a terrible tactic for a start and also means you’re accepting poorer core keeping skills.
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A keeper might make 3 or 4 saves in an average game. But they’ll play ten or twenty or more passes. And it’s not a terrible tactic. Wanting to smash it up the pitch and lose the ball every time is a terrible tactic.
 
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oscillatewildly

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #112
SAJ said:
Why would you go for a goalkeeper who is virtually 40?
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There are more reasons to than not.
Oh, he's thirty seven and a half by the way.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #113
shmmeee said:
A keeper might make 3 or 4 saves in an average game. But they’ll play ten or twenty or more passes. And it’s not a terrible tactic. Wanting to smash it up the pitch and lose the ball every time is a terrible tactic.
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He’ll also have to claim quite a number of crosses into his box which Collins is very mixed at.
 

shmmeee

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  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #114
Brighton Sky Blue said:
He’ll also have to claim quite a number of crosses into his box which Collins is very mixed at.
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Genuinely more bothered by Collins attitude and poor distribution than the fact he’s not prime Peter Shilton.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #115
shmmeee said:
Genuinely more bothered by Collins attitude and poor distribution than the fact he’s not prime Peter Shilton.
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I’m confident both of those can be improved next season.
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #116
SAJ said:
Why would you go for a goalkeeper who is virtually 40?
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AsI said on another post, if we do look at a keeper, I think it will be a cheap and short term option.
Can't see us using funds to invest heavily in another keeper,though personally I would.
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #117
clint van damme said:
AsI said on another post, if we do look at a keeper, I think it will be a cheap and short term option.
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This is the mentality that currently sees us with as many backup keepers as backup centre halves. At some point we need to break the addiction and put our faith in someone.
 
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skybluecam

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  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #118
MalcSB said:
What benefits would they be that outweigh the number of goals conceded due to a lack of goal keeping core skills? ProbaBly approaching 10 this season, perhaps more.
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You think 20% of our goals are keeper errors? lol

The benefit is essentially having an extra player in possession when compared to a keeper who can’t use his feet. I hope I don’t have to explain why that’s a good thing.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #119
PVA said:
Very similar to that appalling half arsed punch v Southampton.

Wilson should start next game.
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Oh I had forgotten that. Then there's the appalling goal at Huddersfield. Don't know why people rated him so highly.

Wilson has to come back in. Problem is we have Collins on a long term contract.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #120
Liquid Gold said:
I'd play whichever keeper you intend to keep next season
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They are both under contract so will probably both be here. Neither are likely to be in demand.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #121
SBT said:
This is the mentality that currently sees us with as many backup keepers as backup centre halves. At some point we need to break the addiction and put our faith in someone.
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We have Collins on a long term contract. Put the work in with him to get him where we want him to be
 

MalcSB

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  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #122
skybluecam said:
You think 20% of our goals are keeper errors? lol

The benefit is essentially having an extra player in possession when compared to a keeper who can’t use his feet. I hope I don’t have to explain why that’s a good thing.
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Last few games, 2 v Hull, 1 v Man Utd, at least 1 v Birmingham, 1 v Southampton. That’s 5 without thinking too hard about it or reviewing the whole season. What you have done by putting a percentage in it is to show just how bad it has been.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #123
MalcSB said:
Last few games, 2 v Hull, 1 v Man Utd, at least 1 v Birmingham, 1 v Southampton. That’s 5 without thinking too hard about it. What you have done by putting a percentage in it is to show just how bad it has been.
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You can add in the Huddersfield one as well
 

clint van damme

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  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #124
SBT said:
This is the mentality that currently sees us with as many backup keepers as backup centre halves. At some point we need to break the addiction and put our faith in someone.
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Every keeper that's been dropped has been the right decision. There's probably an argument that Robins persevered for too long with Moore.

Collins is making horrendous errors, I'm not sure persevering is the right way to go.
 
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skybluecam

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #125
MalcSB said:
Last few games, 2 v Hull, 1 v Man Utd, at least 1 v Birmingham, 1 v Southampton. That’s 5 without thinking too hard about it or reviewing the whole season. What you have done by putting a percentage in it is to show just how bad it has been.
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Which goal was Collins fault vs Man Utd? Deluded.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #126
clint van damme said:
Every keeper that's been dropped has been the right decision. There's probably an argument that Robins persevered for too long with Moore.

Collins is making horrendous errors, I'm not sure persevering is the right way to go.
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I think it is for next season and if by the end of it there’s no improvement then we look elsewhere.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #127
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I think it is for next season and if by the end of it there’s no improvement then we look elsewhere.
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Which could cost us a play off place
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #128
clint van damme said:
Which could cost us a play off place
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Do you think he’s that much of a liability?
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #129
skybluecam said:
Which goal was Collins fault vs Man Utd? Deluded.
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Many on here said he should have done better with the low cross for the first, but even if not the Huddersfield one has been added, Mr Collins. You must be deluded to defend him to such an extent.
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #130
skybluecam said:
Which goal was Collins fault vs Man Utd? Deluded.
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He should have stopped the cross for the first goal, he dived over it/too late.



 
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MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #131
PVA said:
He should have stopped the cross for the first goal, he dived over it/too late.
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So thats six with the Huddersfield one.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #132
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Do you think he’s that much of a liability?
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Yes.
 
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Boicey

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #133
I’m not sure you can coach aggression or the absolute will to keep a striker out even if it hurts you.
I think we’ve seen enough of Collins and we’ve had enough fannying around. We need a much better and assertive keeper to help settle the whole defence down.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #134
skybluecam said:
Which goal was Collins fault vs Man Utd? Deluded.
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The first
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #135
I wonder if Robins agrees we need a new number 1…
 

skybluecam

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  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #136
PVA said:
He should have stopped the cross for the first goal, he dived over it/too late.



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Nitpicking. We gave a premier league full back all the time and space in the world to pick out an unmarked player in the middle. To blame it on the keeper is a witch hunt.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #137
Mucca Mad Boys said:
I wonder if Robins agrees we need a new number 1…
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Based on previous evidence, no.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #138
skybluecam said:
Nitpicking. We gave a premier league full back all the time and space in the world to pick out an unmarked player in the middle. To blame it on the keeper is a witch hunt.
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Both are correct. The ball in shouldn’t have happened. But t-Rex arms Collins should have done better.
 
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AOM

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #139
rob9872 said:
Quoted my own post just on the Brad Collins thread, but seems apt here. Should we look at the coaching before we repeat the mistakes?
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Not quite upper Championship level, but I always liked Marosi. Thought he looked pretty decent pre-season against us as well
 

ccfctommy

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #140
shmmeee said:
He wasn’t even No 1 at Barnsley
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But...But...But.....He was at Chelsea!
 
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