no_loyalty
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I don’t know a lot about him, but noticed he made league one team of the season.
I don’t know a lot about him, but noticed he made league one team of the season.Jensen from Lincoln?
Completely agree Clint, if we have a stronger defence then we give ourselves a more likely chance of not conceding shitty goals to Swansea or Huddersfield or QPR or Birmingham or Hull etc.
It’s hardly a secret what happened
For every outfield position you’ve mentioned, I would choose to invest £2 million in even a backup option over a keeper every time.I really do think we need to buy quality this season. We should be looking to buy a LB, two CMs, a CB and a GK at the very least.
Definitely, I personally don’t think either Collins or Wilson have the full trust of any of our defenders, and with Collins in particular I don’t see a lot of commanding going on, especially on a regular basis, it’s very much keep shape and hope nothing gets through. Some games Collins has been decent but he’s not consistently good, I’m just strongly of the opinion we need to improve quite a bit this season to put ourselves firmly top 4.I think it's also hard to accurately judge defenders when they've got a keeper they don't trust behind them
For every outfield position you’ve mentioned, I would choose to invest £2 million in even a backup option over a keeper every time.
If you can replace the likes of Latibeaudiere, Dasilva, Tavares, Kelly etc with a Torp/Saka/Thomas-quality player, just imagine how much better the side looks over the course of the season.
I also agree we should be upgrading those positions, I think we need a couple of CMs, a CB or two, a LB and maybe another winger, I just also think we need a proper decent keeper.For every outfield position you’ve mentioned, I would choose to invest £2 million in even a backup option over a keeper every time.
If you can replace the likes of Latibeaudiere, Dasilva, Tavares, Kelly etc with a Torp/Saka/Thomas-quality player, just imagine how much better the side looks over the course of the season.
The pattern is they either came from league one or cost more than £2m.What pattern? A keeper that came up with the team, two keepers that cost £5m, a loan and a free. That isn’t a pattern, two of those cost a fair whack, three of those didn’t, there’s no correlation there. My point is we need to buy quality, if it costs £5 mil it costs £5 mil, if costs £1 mil it costs £1 mil. I’m not arsed where they come from we just need to be relying on better than Collins and Wilson. If we have a strong defence and a keeper that has a strong presence then you’d think we’d concede less goals, surely?
I also agree we should be upgrading those positions, I think we need a couple of CMs, a CB or two, a LB and maybe another winger, I just also think we need a proper decent keeper.
But yeah I do agree we should probably look to sort the midfield and defence out first. Genuinely think it will cost a fair bit of money to get us to be a consistent quality side next season.
The pattern is they either came from league one or cost more than £2m.
There's no way we should or would spend £5m on a keeper lmao
We'll bring one in I'm sure but it's nowhere near as simple as you seem to think.
Quite, but unless there is an experienced championship keeper we can attract on a free I think we'll end up with one inexperienced at this level, whether that is from abroad, league one or a young keeper from the prem, so there's no guarantee they'll immediately be better than Collins.Recruitment never is, regardless of the fees involved but it needs sorting.
There's a strong argument that the keeper is the most impactful position. It certainly isn't one that can be taken that lightly you can afford to have someone in there who drops a clanger every game.
Okay but it’s a bit of a strange pattern, not sure if that really means anything? I’m not having a go or anything, I just think we need a better keeper that’s it really.The pattern is they either came from league one or cost more than £2m.
There's no way we should or would spend £5m on a keeper lmao
We'll bring one in I'm sure but it's nowhere near as simple as you seem to think.
Can we really attribute 15 points solely to Collins, even over this insanely bad run? As horrible as he’s been the past few weeks, he still isn’t even close to gifting the opposition a goal every game.As Alex Ferguson said, a good keeper is worth 15 points a season, you're massively underpaying the importance of the role.
The outfield players are going to have to do something incredible if a keeper is gifting the opposition a goal every game.
Then why are Rotherham, who have what is recognised as one of the best keepers in the division, getting relegated?
I was responding to you saying we need to spend £1-2m on a keeper and not buy from league one. Which would've ruled us out of signing any of the top 4 keepers in the league this season.Okay but it’s a bit of a strange pattern, not sure if that really means anything? I’m not having a go or anything, I just think we need a better keeper that’s it really.
But yeah I think £5 mil is too much for a keeper in the championship, something around £2-£3 mil for a keeper that’s better quality than Wilson or Collins would surely be an upgrade on our current situation.
Can we really attribute 15 points solely to Collins, even over this insanely bad run? As horrible as he’s been the past few weeks, he still isn’t even close to gifting the opposition a goal every game.
Johansson is overrated and not great with his feet. Not sure why everyone thinks he's one of the best in the division, easy to look good when you face so many shots and aren't expected to keep clean sheets. His psxg prevented is similar to Collins.Then why are Rotherham, who have what is recognised as one of the best keepers in the division, getting relegated?
Hmm, since the Wolves game:Can we really attribute 15 points solely to Collins, even over this insanely bad run? As horrible as he’s been the past few weeks, he still isn’t even close to gifting the opposition a goal every game.
I feel that you're mis-spelling something here. Would certainly account for his weak grip of the ball anyway.Agree, a decent keeper isn't a magic bullet, there are other areas need attention.
But the idea we can sort them out and then we'll be ok persevering with jazz hands is crazy.
Johansson is overrated and not great with his feet. Not sure why everyone thinks he's one of the best in the division, easy to look good when you face so many shots and aren't expected to keep clean sheets. His psxg prevented is similar to Collins.
Which are you blaming on Collins? This is hysteria imo, neither of the goals were his fault.Ipswich-1
Because they have one of the worst teams.Then why are Rotherham, who have what is recognised as one of the best keepers in the division, getting relegated?
It's not really 'hysteria', but I think he's at fault for the winning goal. He was also let off the hook arseing around at the back just a few minutes before then too.Which are you blaming on Collins? This is hysteria imo, neither of the goals were his fault.
That's not a patternThe pattern is they either came from league one or cost more than £2m.
Ah right, fair enough, like point taken but going forward I’m not mad keen on these stats about the top keepers having to either from lower leagues or be over £5 mil. Of course that’s true for this season but is that always going to be the case going forward? I somehow doubt it?I was responding to you saying we need to spend £1-2m on a keeper and not buy from league one. Which would've ruled us out of signing any of the top 4 keepers in the league this season.
I make Lati at fault for that one. He's averaging about a goal against per game himself.It's not really 'hysteria', but I think he's at fault for the winning goal. He was also let off the hook arseing around at the back just a few minutes before then too.
It's not as though they're deliberately trying to sign keepers who throw the ball into their own goal, but at the same time keepers who are good at commanding their box, shot stopping, and distributing the ball don't tend to be found at this level and certainly not cheap.Ah right, fair enough, like point taken but going forward I’m not mad keen on these stats about the top keepers having to either from lower leagues or be over £5 mil. Of course that’s true for this season but is that always going to be the case going forward? I somehow doubt it?
I think we just need to sign quality, if it costs £1.5 mil that’s fine, if it’s costs £4.2 mil that’s fine. The priority is to get someone that’s just downright good and doesn’t make errors. How we go about finding that player I’ve no idea but that’s personally what I’d be telling the management to be doing if I was Doug
Shouldn't be beat at your near post especially when it's not hit with any real pace. Though Lati did somehow let him get the shot away you're right.I make Lati at fault for that one. He's averaging about a goal against per game himself.
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Ah right, fair enough, like point taken but going forward I’m not mad keen on these stats about the top keepers having to either from lower leagues or be over £5 mil. Of course that’s true for this season but is that always going to be the case going forward? I somehow doubt it?
I think we just need to sign quality, if it costs £1.5 mil that’s fine, if it’s costs £4.2 mil that’s fine. The priority is to get someone that’s just downright good and doesn’t make errors. How we go about finding that player I’ve no idea but that’s personally what I’d be telling the management to be doing if I was Doug
I haven’t seen the Ferguson quote - when/where did he say it?I'm not sure you've understood Fergusons quote.
And Collins has done more than most to derail our play off chances I the last month or so, but again, there are other factors, I'm not saying if we sign a topclass keeper all is rosy but we definitely need a big upgrade.
Pretty awful - maybe even as bad as he gets his entire first team career - but still nowhere near as bad as people are suggesting.Hmm, since the Wolves game:
Huddersfield-1
Cardiff-0
Leeds-0
Southampton-1
Birmingham-0
Hull-1
Blackburn-0
Ipswich-1
QPR-1
5 out of the last 9, so not every game, but still too frequent.
All other things being equal those clangers cost 4 points, Kitching booting it into his own goal cost another one and that's already half the final gap to the playoffs. I can see Clint's point even if I don't entirely agree.Pretty awful - maybe even as bad as he gets his entire first team career - but still nowhere near as bad as people are suggesting.
Deflected shot from 6 yards out that goes in off the post? Incredibly harsh. He made some great saves that night too.It's not really 'hysteria', but I think he's at fault for the winning goal. He was also let off the hook arseing around at the back just a few minutes before then too.
buying a quality keeper for £1-2 mil
Going forward I think buying players from league 1 teams is not going to get us to the prem
This was a reply to him saying we should spend £1-2m on a keeper and not one from league one. Which would rule out most of the top keepers in this league.That's not a pattern
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