A more impactful position than the one between the posts of our goal?Think I’m with @SBT here. There’s a few more impactful positions we need filling first. If a player comes up who fits then I’d do the deal, but I wouldnt prioritise over CB, LB, CM or AM, or probably even backup RW and ST.
A more impactful position than the one between the posts of our goal?
What happened with Moore @Saddlebrains - understand off field? Was it one incident or loNg period of time type of issue?
I'm of the opinion that we need to go against the grain and sign a seasoned pro over the age of about 32 33.
Wont happen though
Eh?I was all for Collins at first but I just think over the course of the season he’s shown he hasn’t got either the physical ability or the mental strength to be a quality keeper. I think overall as a club we’re not ruthless enough. It’s good being supportive of players (and I don’t want Robins to suddenly drop that approach) but if a signing doesn’t work out then it doesn’t work out, we shouldn’t just keep playing Collins and not look for a better keeper just because we’ve recently bought him.
All i can say without actually saying it as its not fair on the bloke, was if it was to happen to one of us we would be the exact same and lose our heads completely. Don't harbour any blame at all towards him and how he was during that period. Just unfortunately remains to be seen wether or not he's mentally back at another club
I don’t think any position is less important than any other.Yeah.
If the other ten are doing their jobs it’s probably the least important position on the pitch in terms of whether we succeed. There’s a reason the best keepers seem to play in the lower ends of the table, a team pushing top six is generally more worried about their opponents goal than theirs.
I think if you’re Rotherham or us in the 90s, then a keeper gets you 10+ points a season. At the top end it’s maybe 5 tops IMO.
He's got a UEFA B coaching licence.Seems like a top bloke. Noticeable at Wembley how we was one to commiserate Sheaf, always gets positive reviews from team mates as well.
Hey, maybe he fancies a go a GK coaching? Can’t be any worse than what we’ve got.
attacking midfieldI don’t think any position is less important than any other.
So we need to prioritise signing new players for those positions where we are weakest, that is goalkeeeper and left back. Obviously if Sheaf goes CM is next and then more depth virtually across all positions.
Yes, forgot that.attacking midfield
If a new keeper comes in they have to be #1 from the start.There are some good loanees knocking about, Sheffield Wednesday signed a GK from BHA on loan and he was a success.
The loan market could be a good option here.
Personally, I don’t think Collins is ‘finished’. However, his April was pretty bad and if we’re letting Wilson and Moore go, we need a GK. As with all new signings from now, they’ve got to improve in what we have.
Exactly and that goes for most signing we’ll make this summer too. We’re not signing players to be backups.If a new keeper comes in they have to be #1 from the start.
Quite obviously, yes. How often is the best team in the division the one with the best keeper?A more impactful position than the one between the posts of our goal?
Yeah I get that but at the end of the day we just need a quality team to make it into the prem. I’d rather be cut and dry with it than faff around hoping players will improve.Eh?
Robins has been through 3 keepers in 2 seasons, he's plenty ruthless. Some stability would benefit us, can't be good having our keepers constantly looking over their shoulder.
Like most of your comments this makes no sense. Who are we clinging on to exactly?Yeah I get that but at the end of the day we just need a quality team to make it into the prem. I’d rather be cut and dry with it than faff around hoping players will improve.
We’re in a great position with certain players contracts and the general ethos of the club atm, personally I don’t think we should be spending another 2-3 seasons clinging onto players that we should have ditched long ago.
But it could be argued that we might have made the top 6 with a better keeper.Quite obviously, yes. How often is the best team in the division the one with the best keeper?
Put it another way - we just finished 9th with a keeper who most seem to think is barely L1 standard. How did we manage that?
Exactly, you only have to look at Villa as an example. When Martinez doesn’t play they struggle.But it could be argued that we might have made the top 6 with a better keeper.
Collins was all but throwing it in the net fun at times the last few games and gifted so many goals at the end.
I think a very good keeper can make all the difference.
Agree completely. Experience such as that also organises defences at set pieces. Collins is clueless in this regard.I'm of the opinion that we need to go against the grain and sign a seasoned pro over the age of about 32 33.
Wont happen though
Quite obviously, yes. How often is the best team in the division the one with the best keeper?
Put it another way - we just finished 9th with a keeper who most seem to think is barely L1 standard. How did we manage that?mich higher would we have finished with a better keeper , maybe reaches the cup final because Collins gave Manure that first goal.
Or how much higher could we have finished with a decent keeper. We may have reached the Cup final as he gifted Manure the first goal.Quite obviously, yes. How often is the best team in the division the one with the best keeper?
Put it another way - we just finished 9th with a keeper who most seem to think is barely L1 standard. How did we manage that?
I think it’s very easy to make that argument, because anyone in the stadium can spot an obvious error from a keeper. So it stands to reason that better keeper = better results, that’s an obvious observation (and one I agree with). My problem is in making it a transfer priority, given that:But it could be argued that we might have made the top 6 with a better keeper.
Collins was all but throwing it in the net fun at times the last few games and gifted so many goals at the end.
I think a very good keeper can make all the difference.
How much would they cost, and which new signing from the squad do you drop to find the money for them?H
Or how much higher could we have finished with a decent keeper. We may have reached the Cup final as he gifted Manure the first goal.
We need a better keeper, I don’t know how you see the lack of sense in that. I think it makes less sense continuing to play someone that’s not good enough than buying a quality keeper for £1-2 mil and starting afresh next season. Rather than swapping keepers every few months during the season we should stump up the cash for someone that’s clearly decent and go with that from the start.Like most of your comments this makes no sense. Who are we clinging on to exactly?
I completely respect your argument there but I really do think we need to buy quality this season. We should be looking to buy a LB, two CMs, a CB and a GK at the very least. We’re in profit from last season and if Vik moves and we end up selling Sheaf then we absolutely need to buy top quality across the board. I’m personally not keen on keeping hanger-ons, I think we’ve seen the likes of Godden, Allen, Palmer etc just aren’t the quality you need to get out of the championship. I don’t mind Collins, he does a job, but I think no one in our league would be looking to sign someone of his low quality (in my opinion anyway).I think it’s very easy to make that argument, because anyone in the stadium can spot an obvious error from a keeper. So it stands to reason that better keeper = better results, that’s an obvious observation (and one I agree with). My problem is in making it a transfer priority, given that:
a) It’s very hard to sign a foolproof keeper on the cheap (see Collins, Moore, Wilson and more or less everyone before them)
b) You don’t win titles and promotions through having a great goalkeeper, you win them through having a great squad. And if we spend the millions required to get us a top Championship keeper, he’ll be staring at an understaffed defence, midfield and strike force for however many years he’s here - and probably picking the ball out of the net regardless as a result. There’s no way we should be spending £2+ million on a keeper when you can sign players like Torp, Sakamoto and Thomas for the same price.
Abolsutely, We need at least 4 nailed on first team starters to be signed this summer.Exactly and that goes for most signing we’ll make this summer too. We’re not signing players to be backups.
"just sign a championship quality keeper for <£2m" lolWe need a better keeper, I don’t know how you see the lack of sense in that. I think it makes less sense continuing to play someone that’s not good enough than buying a quality keeper for £1-2 mil and starting afresh next season. Rather than swapping keepers every few months during the season we should stump up the cash for someone that’s clearly decent and go with that from the start.
None of us have any idea what can be done behind closed doors but we should be looking to ship off Wilson and keep Collins as a back up. Going forward I think buying players from league 1 teams is not going to get us to the prem, we need reliable, quality players and I really don’t think Collins is that.
All i can say without actually saying it as it’s ts not fair on the bloke, was if it was to happen to one of us we would be the exact same and lose our heads completely. Don't harbour any blame at all towards him and how he was during that period. Just unfortunately remains to be seen wether or not he's mentally back at another club
Think I’m with @SBT here. There’s a few more impactful positions we need filling first. If a player comes up who fits then I’d do the deal, but I wouldnt prioritise over CB, LB, CM or AM, or probably even backup RW and ST.
"just sign a championship quality keeper for <£2m" lol
Top keepers in the Championship:
Cooper (Plymouth) - came up with them from L1
Hermansen (Leicester) - £5m from Brondby
Gunn (Norwich) - £5m from Southampton
Rushworth (Swansea) - loan, spent last season in L1
Bachmann (Watford) - free, when they were in the prem
Notice any patterns here...?
Completely agree Clint, if we have a stronger defence then we give ourselves a more likely chance of not conceding shitty goals to Swansea or Huddersfield or QPR or Birmingham or Hull etc.There's a strong argument that the keeper is the most impactful position. It certainly isn't one that can be taken that lightly you can afford to have someone in there who drops a clanger every game.
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