Sounds about rightThey probably accept them as a once in a blue moon error from fantastic keepers who have got to the position that they're in by not making catastrophic errors almost every week while failing to do some of the basics of their role.
What a stupid thing to sayAnyone fancy a new keeper? De Gea, Pickford (x2, plus the circumstances in giving away the penalty that he saved), Dubravka and Heaton might all be available after making dreadful mistakes costing goals this weekend.
I wonder what the Man Utd, Everton, Newcastle and Burnley forums made of them?
He's not the first!Are you honestly trying to compare De Gea to Burge?
How old were Kirkland/Westwood/Pickford/Carson/Schmicheal/Hart/DeGea when they were regulars in the Premier League to name a few? Burge is a veteran compared to these examples. If you are good enough you are old enough. Burge isn’t.
It's odd either way though. It'd be equally odd to say that Kelly is not Pogba, and is therefore worthless at the level we're at.I'm not a fan of the ironic cheers Lee Burge gets but this is an odd point to make in his defence. Next time Bakayoko scuffs one don't forget that after Pele dummied the keeper that time he put it wide
Agree, they're different worlds. Even though he turned out for us I find it a bit of a stretch to use Stockdale as comparison also as he was clearly dropping down a level to help out for a few weeks.It's odd either way though. It'd be equally odd to say that Kelly is not Pogba, and is therefore worthless at the level we're at.
Any examples of the players you mean? Can't think of many players who have become better after leaving us, other than players like Wilson, Maddison, Fleck who were young and sold on to better things.Anybody ever wonder why many players who leave us suddenly become better?
Couldn't be due to the shitstorm that hits them from their own supporters? Surely not?
Most of our squad are young men looking to craft a career in the most unforgiving workplace - let's not forget that.
Hmmm, not sure Fleck counts as per the other pair, but I'm splitting hairs. Christie's the obvious one who got criticism, but has turned out half decent... but then Blair Adams never had it so good as with us. Swings and roundabouts!Any examples of the players you mean? Can't think of many players who have become better after leaving us, other than players like Wilson, Maddison, Fleck who were young and sold on to better things.
Anyone fancy a new keeper? De Gea, Pickford (x2, plus the circumstances in giving away the penalty that he saved), Dubravka and Heaton might all be available after making dreadful mistakes costing goals this weekend.
I wonder what the Man Utd, Everton, Newcastle and Burnley forums made of them?
Anybody ever wonder why many players who leave us suddenly become better?
Couldn't be due to the shitstorm that hits them from their own supporters? Surely not?
Most of our squad are young men looking to craft a career in the most unforgiving workplace - let's not forget that.
I find the whole Burge thing quite strange. There are some who actively want to boo him or sarcastically applaud every time he catches something, which is nonsensical and embaressing to be honest. But on the other side there are still people who try and defend that he's a decent keeper. It's very obvious that League One and Two keepers have mistakes in them, if they didn't they would be playing in a higher division. What is also very clear, that is Burge's overall game doesn't make up for the amount of mistakes he makes. He is a very average League One keeper at best, probably a decent enough League two keeper. If we want to progress, we need a new keeper. I'm not sure where the myth that he's actually a 'very good shot-stopper' comes from. He has had some great moments for us, and at very important times (see Checkatrade Trophy final & Notts County), however, the mistakes outweigh the positives.
I also keep seeing 'he's only cost us (insert amount of goals - which are all drastically underestimated by the way)', but that is kind of irrelevant when some of his worst performances haven't cost us a goal more through luck or bailing him out. As an example a couple of seasons back we went to Burton, the game was on Sky I think, and he put in one of the most inept goalkeeping performances I've ever seen, missing countless crosses, but poor finishing and good defending bailed him out and in theory 'he didnt cost us a goal'. The point being, mistakes leading directly to goals shouldn't be what you measure it on, it should be based on his overall performance. Let's get a sense of reality. He's not a very good goalkeeper, but he doesn't need the barage of abuse he gets.
Agree totally with what you say. I put the original post on late last night, having watched the errors made by those keepers, and was highlighting that when a keeper makes a mistake, it (usually) results in a goal conceded - although you correctly point out that's not always the case!I find the whole Burge thing quite strange. There are some who actively want to boo him or sarcastically applaud every time he catches something, which is nonsensical and embaressing to be honest. But on the other side there are still people who try and defend that he's a decent keeper. It's very obvious that League One and Two keepers have mistakes in them, if they didn't they would be playing in a higher division. What is also very clear, that is Burge's overall game doesn't make up for the amount of mistakes he makes. He is a very average League One keeper at best, probably a decent enough League two keeper. If we want to progress, we need a new keeper. I'm not sure where the myth that he's actually a 'very good shot-stopper' comes from. He has had some great moments for us, and at very important times (see Checkatrade Trophy final & Notts County), however, the mistakes outweigh the positives.
I also keep seeing 'he's only cost us (insert amount of goals - which are all drastically underestimated by the way)', but that is kind of irrelevant when some of his worst performances haven't cost us a goal more through luck or bailing him out. As an example a couple of seasons back we went to Burton, the game was on Sky I think, and he put in one of the most inept goalkeeping performances I've ever seen, missing countless crosses, but poor finishing and good defending bailed him out and in theory 'he didnt cost us a goal'. The point being, mistakes leading directly to goals shouldn't be what you measure it on, it should be based on his overall performance. Let's get a sense of reality. He's not a very good goalkeeper, but he doesn't need the barage of abuse he gets.
They don't. You've just made something up.Anybody ever wonder why many players who leave us suddenly become better?
Couldn't be due to the shitstorm that hits them from their own supporters? Surely not?
Most of our squad are young men looking to craft a career in the most unforgiving workplace - let's not forget that.
I'm not sure a new keeper is necessarily the answer.
While yes Lee Burge was at fault for the second goal on Friday and has looked susceptible to other errors this season (Oxford away, Luton away, just two examples) I do also question the coaching, i.e Oggy.
LB has always been a decent shot stopper, but he can't kick convincingly, he doesn't control his area and is too prone to mistakes based on his own positioning, yet despite this Oggy has not been able to improve him on any of these aspects over the past five years. While LB might of been the reason for the goal on Friday night, the root cause of the problem has been overlooked.
ThisThey probably accept them as a once in a blue moon error from fantastic keepers who have got to the position that they're in by not making catastrophic errors almost every week while failing to do some of the basics of their role.
And are paid handsomely for it.Anybody ever wonder why many players who leave us suddenly become better?
Couldn't be due to the shitstorm that hits them from their own supporters? Surely not?
Most of our squad are young men looking to craft a career in the most unforgiving workplace - let's not forget that.
Also, it's not so much players improving when leaving us but playing in better teams, surrounded by better players.Anybody ever wonder why many players who leave us suddenly become better?
Couldn't be due to the shitstorm that hits them from their own supporters? Surely not?
Most of our squad are young men looking to craft a career in the most unforgiving workplace - let's not forget that.
I don't boo him at games or jeer but it was obvious from about the 10th minute or so when he hammered the first kick into the stands it wasn't going to be good.
It is baffling no manager recently has drafted in a new keeper.
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