deanocity3
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BBC 1 now worth a watch.
It nearly happened to us in the quarter final or semi final 87
you would have had to be quick but in the police hand written notes shown it was mentioned
We were crushed and I ended up crushed against a barrier and eventually on the floor only to be dragged up by mates, 2nd half we went into the corners to find space
Really made me angry watching it as the police were the worst I have ever experienced in many an away game
RIP those who died at least the truth came out
I'm too young to remember our cup win and I've never actually seen extended footage of the semi-final, just the goals. To me, 89 sounds like the culmination of years of police naivety, stubbornness and arrogance. And then we know the cowardly approach they took to matters after now.
Watched it and it made me even more annoyed about the crap that some on here spouted a few weeks ago saying that the disaster was caused by drunken Liverpool fans and implyinh that they'd brought it on themselves citing Heysel as a reference. It wasn't and they didn't. I just hope that these people watched this and have realised how insensitive and wrong they were. Justice for the 96...it could so easily have been us. So many of those fans were actually life saving heroes and were not only denied the credit they deserved but were branded little better than murderers...Many of the victim's families never lived to see justice done....Hillsborough was a national outrage and I just hope the real criminals face justice and are locked up.
I think I am probably one of the main people you are referring to. Do not recall anyone saying it was JUST drunken Liverpool fans...nor that the dead & injured bought it on themselves. Most, or even possibly ALL of us were saying it was a catalogue of things but drunken Liverpool fans turning up & kicking-off surely have to share in the blame? Another thing is that Panorama are the TV equivalent of the Sun in so much as they edit the programme specifically to influence the viewer toward whatever they want them to believe...didn't watch te program but I wonder - did they even mention that there even were any drunk fans?
And an earlier post is pretty accurate in my view - that years of ever increased drinking before games impacted on loads of things...even the Polices perception of fans in general. Everyone attending a game back in the day was a yob first, member of the public second.
As awful as these deaths were - no amount of us debating the finer points is going being them back.
RIP96
It nearly happened to us in the quarter final or semi final 87
you would have had to be quick but in the police hand written notes shown it was mentioned
We were crushed and I ended up crushed against a barrier and eventually on the floor only to be dragged up by mates, 2nd half we went into the corners to find space
Really made me angry watching it as the police were the worst I have ever experienced in many an away game
RIP those who died at least the truth came out
Yes Bazza I think you were the person that started the theme although others followed who didn't seem to even acknowledge that there were other reasons for the disaster as you did. However you are still wrong. You mention you didn't watch the programme and I would suggest for you to have a more up to date view of things and to be able to comment fairly you try and catch it before assuming that this was the TV equivalant of 'The Sun', who as you will know printed blatant lies about what had happened and who was responsible.... I think it will be a real eye opener for you. As the Police now admit the cause of the tragedy was down to a combination of incredibly bad policing and almost equally as bad emergency medical organisation....they place no blame on the fans at all and have accepted the huge and immoral cover up that took place which began almost immediately afterwards. The cause of the tradgedy has been proven to be the closure of gates at both sides of the Leppings Lane end which were relatively empty and the insistence by the Head of South Yorkshire Police and his officers to cram all fans into one already tightly packed area resulting in carnage....effectively sending many innocent people to their death. The fact that some would've been drunk has no more relevance than it would've had the tragedy happened 2 years earlier when I saw quite a few of our fellow fans also drunk. Those fans that carried the dead and injured on advertising hoardings and in many cases saved lives should be awarded medals instead of spending the best part of 25 years trying to clear their names. When you watch the programme you will see police officers present at the time confirming that they had statements changed and also the wife of a now deceased Chief Inspector who was there saying that as soon as he came forward and said what had really happened his career was pretty much over...He died pretty much a broken man. There's also a Doctor on there who treated some of the injured who had his career attempted to be ruined and him discredited for speaking up against those in power. There is also evidence of a major cover up between the Lord chief Justice who oversaw the investigation and the Head of West Midlands Police who investigated his Yorkshire colleagues. You say that no amount of us debating will bring them back but what the families of those involved want is for those that were responsible to be brought to justice and serve time for their incompetence and subsequent lies. As I said I think you should really watch it....Justice for the 96.
I think I am probably one of the main people you are referring to. Do not recall anyone saying it was JUST drunken Liverpool fans...nor that the dead & injured bought it on themselves. Most, or even possibly ALL of us were saying it was a catalogue of things but drunken Liverpool fans turning up & kicking-off surely have to share in the blame? Another thing is that Panorama are the TV equivalent of the Sun in so much as they edit the programme specifically to influence the viewer toward whatever they want them to believe...didn't watch te program but I wonder - did they even mention that there even were any drunk fans?
And an earlier post is pretty accurate in my view - that years of ever increased drinking before games impacted on loads of things...even the Polices perception of fans in general. Everyone attending a game back in the day was a yob first, member of the public second.
As awful as these deaths were - no amount of us debating the finer points is going being them back.
RIP96
Was it not the fact that the doors to the central pen weren't closed that was a major factor in the disaster? The police should have closed this when it became apparent that the area was full and then directed fans to the pens at the side of the Leppings lane end? This is what I've read from the various reports of the incident, though I haven't seen the Panorama programe.
Agree with everything else you've said. And no, it was absolutely nothing to do with drunken fans.
Interestingly although I am sure there were some fans who had been drinking the pictures show immediate awareness of the situation and people taking all appropriate action to resolve the matter as soon as they became aware of it. If only those making safety decisions had done the same eh??
The reason it is not mentioned in programmes like the one on Monday is it was completely irrelevant to what happened.
Perhaps I'm in a significant minority then...but when I try to get into a known confined space, with or without ticket, I stop trying if it is plainly obvious that its already crammed.
Either way, a total tragedy whichever way you look at it & as I've repeatedly said - none of those involved in any way had that outcome in mind...but it happened, so did the awful subsequent lies & cover-up & if possible those responsible for that at least have to live a tortured life with their lies & maybe will get some just desserts.
But in this case is wasn't known to the supporter the a particular area was full. The central pen had a tunnel leading to the terracing so it wasn't clear from the outside that this has already filled up. The central pen is/was the first entrance a supporter would see coming through the turnstiles and unless you were familiar with the ground it wasn't obvious that there were others, which is what the police should have been doing by directing supporters to these.
So who chose to try to push their way in if it was already full - which brings me full circle, because I would guess that alcohol played a pretty significant part there! Whether it be the fact they were drunk or the fact they thought they'd sink one last pint before making their way to the ground.
So who chose to try to push their way in if it was already full - which brings me full circle, because I would guess that alcohol played a pretty significant part there! Whether it be the fact they were drunk or the fact they thought they'd sink one last pint before making their way to the ground.
Read the quote by the Leeds fan on the article Deano posted.
I've squeezed my way into confined areas at football, gigs and festivals because I've felt it'll lead to a better atmosphere or being closer to the action. Nowt to do with alcohol.
We're straying well off the original point that I made all those weeks ago here. So I'll concede...All the Liverpool fans that were at Hillsborough that day just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, all of them behaved impeccably, non of them had a drink beforehand, they all arrived at the stadium by 2:30 to ensure they got in with a reasonable positioning to watch the match, they were attacked at Hysel & showed great restraint & did nothing to escalate things further, they did not mug fellow fans for tickets at the last Euro final they were in, they don't sing songs about the Munich air disaster, they had no hand in us not playing in Europe 1987 & missing out on the associated revenue...none of it! They are little angels & IT'S NEVER THEIR FAULT (which was the original comment that starting this ping-pong).
I truly feel desperately sad about what happened that day...all Luverpool, indeed football fans were victims that day. Seeing it on TV & thinking that could of been me, my mates might be in there & then not knowing...even on a smaller scale - I was a victim.
That's my last post on this as it could just run & run...& run...&...
http://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/report/main-section/part-2/chapter-1/page-9/
Fa Cup Semi Final 1987
Warnings at the Leeds v Coventry match
We're straying well off the original point that I made all those weeks ago here. So I'll concede...All the Liverpool fans that were at Hillsborough that day just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, all of them behaved impeccably, non of them had a drink beforehand, they all arrived at the stadium by 2:30 to ensure they got in with a reasonable positioning to watch the match, they were attacked at Hysel & showed great restraint & did nothing to escalate things further, they did not mug fellow fans for tickets at the last Euro final they were in, they don't sing songs about the Munich air disaster, they had no hand in us not playing in Europe 1987 & missing out on the associated revenue...none of it! They are little angels & IT'S NEVER THEIR FAULT (which was the original comment that starting this ping-pong).
I truly feel desperately sad about what happened that day...all Luverpool, indeed football fans were victims that day. Seeing it on TV & thinking that could of been me, my mates might be in there & then not knowing...even on a smaller scale - I was a victim.
That's my last post on this as it could just run & run...& run...&...
I'd suggest yes it should be your last post until you research the subject a bit more. Most of what you've written is absoulte rubbish based on speculation and prejudice.
We're straying well off the original point that I made all those weeks ago here. So I'll concede...All the Liverpool fans that were at Hillsborough that day just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, all of them behaved impeccably, non of them had a drink beforehand, they all arrived at the stadium by 2:30 to ensure they got in with a reasonable positioning to watch the match, they were attacked at Hysel & showed great restraint & did nothing to escalate things further, they did not mug fellow fans for tickets at the last Euro final they were in, they don't sing songs about the Munich air disaster, they had no hand in us not playing in Europe 1987 & missing out on the associated revenue...none of it! They are little angels & IT'S NEVER THEIR FAULT (which was the original comment that starting this ping-pong).
I truly feel desperately sad about what happened that day...all Luverpool, indeed football fans were victims that day. Seeing it on TV & thinking that could of been me, my mates might be in there & then not knowing...even on a smaller scale - I was a victim.
That's my last post on this as it could just run & run...& run...&...
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