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Bertola · Oct 17, 2024

Beginning to think of chopping mine in and replacing it.

Currently in a 308, which failed its MOT a couple of weeks ago, £800 chucked at it to repair, and now a couple of weeks later its starting to make some more funny noises, and wondering if I'm better replacing it rather than potentially chucking more and more money at it as it goes wrong.

The whole process is such a nightmare though, never know who/what you can trust

San Francisco · Oct 17, 2024

Saddlebrains said:
Surprised so many of you have EV

I think they're fucking shite

Until someone designs a battery that can run you 400 miles and you can charge it in under 10 minutes, combustion engines will continue

I've got a Seat Ateca 1.6 Diesel and I fucking love it

Who in their right mind wants to drive 400 miles in one sitting? I say that as someone who owns a diesel.

ovduk78 · Oct 17, 2024

San Francisco said:
Who in their right mind wants to drive 400 miles in one sitting? I say that as someone who owns a diesel.

I drive 335 miles each way for a home game, an EV would be no use to me & that's before I think about whether they are green as it is claimed. Aren't batteries recommended to be replaced after 10 years/100,000 miles at how much, £15k - £20k?, and then what about recycling the damn things. Aren't there also issues with roadside recovery, ie not covered, and size of carpark spaces, wasn't the carpark fire at Luton Airport caused by an EV? The days of free road tax could also come to an end for them, 1 of Nordic countries, maybe Norway, has reintroduced charges for using EV in its' road tax system.

wingy · Oct 17, 2024

ovduk78 said:
I drive 335 miles each way for a home game, an EV would be no use to me & that's before I think about whether they are green as it is claimed. Aren't batteries recommended to be replaced after 10 years/100,000 miles at how much, £15k - £20k?, and then what about recycling the damn things. Aren't there also issues with roadside recovery, ie not covered, and size of carpark spaces, wasn't the carpark fire at Luton Airport caused by an EV? The days of free road tax could also come to an end for them, 1 of Nordic countries, maybe Norway, has reintroduced charges for using EV in its' road tax system.

Get yer pony back out!! Giddy up!!🫣

robbiekeane · Oct 17, 2024

crazy how many people think EVs are a phase or a waste of money.

They’re undoubtedly the future. Every other car here in california is a tesla or a rivian. Driven my mates tesla a few times and i love it, charging points are everywhere here and it’s takes like 20 minutes to full charge.

bonkers

wingy · Oct 17, 2024

robbiekeane said:
crazy how many people think EVs are a phase or a waste of money.

They’re undoubtedly the future. Every other car here in california is a tesla or a rivian. Driven my mates tesla a few times and i love it, charging points are everywhere here and it’s takes like 20 minutes to full charge.

bonkers

Doesn't take account of the waste really, get your Hydrogen has a foothold In California too?

robbiekeane · Oct 17, 2024

wingy said:
Doesn't take account of the waste really, get your Hydrogen has a foothold In California too?

not a scratch on the amount of EVs though. The infrastructure here for EV charging is pretty impressive. Yeh there’s waste and things to work out but that’s always the case with innovation

wingy · Oct 17, 2024

robbiekeane said:
not a scratch on the amount of EVs though. The infrastructure here for EV charging is pretty impressive. Yeh there’s waste and things to work out but that’s always the case with innovation

But eventually it runs out, yeah?

robbiekeane · Oct 17, 2024

wingy said:
But eventually it runs out, yeah?

The batteries? Yeh.

Eventually traditional car engines go to shit, yeah?

There’s not a good solution yet to recycling or re-using the EV batteries. There will be though. Demand creates supply

Flying Fokker · Oct 17, 2024

MalcSB said:
Auto is the future, in that EVs don’t have gears. I have a 9 speed auto and it is far more relaxing to drive than a manual. My car also has “flappy paddles” behind steering wheel so can change gear manually- only ever use them going down steep hills.

And the Ricoh Car Park?

Terry Gibson's perm · Oct 17, 2024

Saddlebrains said:
Surprised so many of you have EV

I think they're fucking shite

Until someone designs a battery that can run you 400 miles and you can charge it in under 10 minutes, combustion engines will continue

I've got a Seat Ateca 1.6 Diesel and I fucking love it

400 miles is about two weeks driving for me, I charge it every night when I get in from work not having to ever go to the petrol station is great. I am saving a fortune as well my Volvo was 20p per mile my ev is now under 3p as I charge on the cheap rate.

San Francisco · Oct 17, 2024

ovduk78 said:
I drive 335 miles each way for a home game, an EV would be no use to me & that's before I think about whether they are green as it is claimed. Aren't batteries recommended to be replaced after 10 years/100,000 miles at how much, £15k - £20k?, and then what about recycling the damn things. Aren't there also issues with roadside recovery, ie not covered, and size of carpark spaces, wasn't the carpark fire at Luton Airport caused by an EV? The days of free road tax could also come to an end for them, 1 of Nordic countries, maybe Norway, has reintroduced charges for using EV in its' road tax system.

Yawn.

You’re telling you drive 335 miles without a break?

That Luton fire was caused by a diesel vehicle. Do you want to tell me petrol/diesel isn’t flammable and dangerous?

ovduk78 · Oct 17, 2024

San Francisco said:
Yawn.

You’re telling you drive 335 miles without a break?

That Luton fire was caused by a diesel vehicle. Do you want to tell me petrol/diesel isn’t flammable and dangerous?

Normally I drive it without a break, especially on the way to Coventry. If I do stop it is never for more than 5 minutes, sorry to disappoint you. I didn't know what caused the fire at Luton, it was a question.

Grendel · Oct 17, 2024

Terry Gibson's perm said:
400 miles is about two weeks driving for me, I charge it every night when I get in from work not having to ever go to the petrol station is great. I am saving a fortune as well my Volvo was 20p per mile my ev is now under 3p as I charge on the cheap rate.

I have a 300 GLC hybrid. Its the best of both worlds. 5% BIK and an 80 mile range but can just use as normal on a long drive with no hassle

MalcSB · Oct 17, 2024

Flying Fokker said:
And the Ricoh Car Park?

I read the runes and no longer park in a Ricoh Car Park, or even a CBS one. Holding back the traffic for an hour is a great idea, I get to my car and away before the roads are reopened.

San Francisco · Oct 17, 2024

ovduk78 said:
Normally I drive it without a break, especially on the way to Coventry. If I do stop it is never for more than 5 minutes, sorry to disappoint you. I didn't know what caused the fire at Luton, it was a question.

Not disappointed in the slightest. Just impressed you can manage so many miles without needing long a break or two!

tommydazzle · Oct 17, 2024

ovduk78 said:
I drive 335 miles each way for a home game, an EV would be no use to me & that's before I think about whether they are green as it is claimed. Aren't batteries recommended to be replaced after 10 years/100,000 miles at how much, £15k - £20k?, and then what about recycling the damn things. Aren't there also issues with roadside recovery, ie not covered, and size of carpark spaces, wasn't the carpark fire at Luton Airport caused by an EV? The days of free road tax could also come to an end for them, 1 of Nordic countries, maybe Norway, has reintroduced charges for using EV in its' road tax system.

If you’ve worried about the green credentials of the lithium ion batteries, I suggest you need to find alternatives for your smart phone, computer, cordless power tools - they all use lithium ion cells. So far real world tests have shown batteries will probably outlive the actual life of the car. The batteries can then be repurposed to use as stationary storage. My EV came with AA roadside recovery as part of the deal. Don’t know what you mean by car park spaces being an issue? EVs come in the usual range of sizes from small hatchbacks to saloons to SUVs. You are correct that road tax will be due on them from next April but most EV drivers have taken advantage of the loophole which means you can postpone that until 2026. No issue with paying road tax anyway.

We'll_live_and_die · Oct 17, 2024

Saddlebrains said:
Surprised so many of you have EV

I think they're fucking shite

Until someone designs a battery that can run you 400 miles and you can charge it in under 10 minutes, combustion engines will continue

I've got a Seat Ateca 1.6 Diesel and I fucking love it

Mine does 220miles in the summer and takes 15 minutes to charge at a fast charger. It's no problem to be honest

tommydazzle · Oct 17, 2024

Saddlebrains said:
Surprised so many of you have EV

I think they're fucking shite

Until someone designs a battery that can run you 400 miles and you can charge it in under 10 minutes, combustion engines will continue

I've got a Seat Ateca 1.6 Diesel and I fucking love it

MalcSB · Oct 17, 2024

tommydazzle said:
If you’ve worried about the green credentials of the lithium ion batteries, I suggest you need to find alternatives for your smart phone, computer, cordless power tools - they all use lithium ion cells. So far real world tests have shown batteries will probably outlive the actual life of the car. The batteries can then be repurposed to use as stationary storage. My EV came with AA roadside recovery as part of the deal. Don’t know what you mean by car park spaces being an issue? EVs come in the usual range of sizes from small hatchbacks to saloons to SUVs. You are correct that road tax will be due on them from next April but most EV drivers have taken advantage of the loophole which means you can postpone that until 2026. No issue with paying road tax anyway.

in relation to car parks and EVs, it’s the weight that worries me, just not sure how many early 60s multi-storey will remain standing when full of EVs. And, yes, they do come in various sizes but if you want a realistic range of more than 100 miles or so they are going to tend to be bigger.

car batteries ar a bit bigger than the one in my iPhone,

MalcSB · Oct 17, 2024

robbiekeane said:
not a scratch on the amount of EVs though. The infrastructure here for EV charging is pretty impressive. Yeh there’s waste and things to work out but that’s always the case with innovation

That’s the difference - infra structure and charging speed of said infrastructure.

Saddlebrains · Oct 17, 2024

tommydazzle said:
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Why am i an idiot?

Not wanting to sound like Clarkson but What's wrong with petrol and diesel?

Nothing

That's why EVs haven't took off in the UK

tommydazzle · Oct 17, 2024

They will be no bigger than any other car that parks in multistorey car parks, heavier yes but the energy density of batteries is a rapidly improving research area. The hope is that they will be lighter.

tommydazzle · Oct 17, 2024

Saddlebrains said:
Why am i an idiot?

Not wanting to sound like Clarkson but What's wrong with petrol and diesel?

Nothing

That's why EVs haven't took off in the UK

17.8% of car registrations this year are EVs - that’s grown from 6.6% in 2020. It’s clearly a growing market as more choice evolves especially as cheaper new cars and the second hand sector grows.
If you think there’s nothing negative about burning diesel and petrol then I’m afraid you’ll probably never be convinced. I‘ve already said there are negatives about EVs -if I couldn’t charge from home I wouldn’t purchase. I see more EVs everyday and definitely more aware of the stink and noise from ICE cars especially diesel when I’m sitting in traffic.

Nuskyblue · Oct 17, 2024

San Francisco said:
Who in their right mind wants to drive 400 miles in one sitting? I say that as someone who owns a diesel.

No one!

That said I do 200+ on the reg.

MalcSB · Oct 17, 2024

tommydazzle said:
17.8% of car registrations this year are EVs - that’s grown from 6.6% in 2020. It’s clearly a growing market as more choice evolves especially as cheaper new cars and the second hand sector grows.
If you think there’s nothing negative about burning diesel and petrol then I’m afraid you’ll probably never be convinced. I‘ve already said there are negatives about EVs -if I couldn’t charge from home I wouldn’t purchase. I see more EVs everyday and definitely more aware of the stink and noise from ICE cars especially diesel when I’m sitting in traffic.

Have you seen what is driving those registrations? It’s not sales to private buyers. There is a lot of pre-registration going on with cars being put on the second hand market at hugely reduced prices with next to no mileage 6months to 2 years after they have been registered. This is hammering values such that the depreciation is making used car dealers think twice about taking them in.
Why else are manufacturers In urgent discussion with governments across Europe and Vauxhall considering pulling out of UK manufacturing? If real sales trends were that good they would be falling over themselves to increase manufacturing capacity.

MalcSB · Oct 17, 2024

tommydazzle said:
They will be no bigger than any other car that parks in multistorey car parks, heavier yes but the energy density of batteries is a rapidly improving research area. The hope is that they will be lighter.

What happens until hope becomes reality? In terms of avoiding collapsing car parks that is.

wingy · Oct 17, 2024

MalcSB said:
What happens until hope becomes reality? In terms of avoiding collapsing car parks that is.

You stick a claim in?

Terry Gibson's perm · Oct 17, 2024

MalcSB said:
Have you seen what is driving those registrations? It’s not sales to private buyers. There is a lot of pre-registration going on with cars being put on the second hand market at hugely reduced prices with next to no mileage 6months to 2 years after they have been registered. This is hammering values such that the depreciation is making used car dealers think twice about taking them in.
Why else are manufacturers In urgent discussion with governments across Europe a Vauxhall considering pulling out of UK manufacturing? If real sales trends were that good they would be falling over themselves to increase manufacturing capacity.

Also motability are really pushing Evs and they have a huge fleet

MalcSB · Oct 17, 2024

wingy said:
You stick a claim in?

Providing you weren’t just putting your shopping in the boot, then yes.

But then most car parks tend to have a disclaimer that parking is at the owner’s risk.

Alkhen · Oct 17, 2024

Sbarcher said:
Manual Gear box, manual hand brake and proper spare wheel.
Think these essentials (for me) are now a thing of the past.

The phasing out of spare wheel was so a crap. The amount of cars that don't even have a space saver is mad

Si80 · Oct 17, 2024

Mazda CX5 as the family wagon (manual because wife), Mini Cooper JCW (auto) as my daily.

Massive petrol head but can definitely see the allure of an EV. 95% of our daily driving would be well below any range worry for us.

Alkhen · Oct 17, 2024

To echo plenty on this thread, once you go Jap you never go back.

In my youth I was Fords and VWs but switched to a Mazda and now a Nissan and have found them far more reliable and cheaper to repair

StrettoBoy · Oct 18, 2024

Alkhen said:
To echo plenty on this thread, once you go Jap you never go back.

In my youth I was Fords and VWs but switched to a Mazda and now a Nissan and have found them far more reliable and cheaper to repair

In my experience you can’t beat Japanese cars for reliability. The most reliable cars I have ever owned have been a Honda and the Lexus which I currently drive, although the Skoda Fabia I had over twenty years ago was pretty good.

I have also had a Jaguar and a BMW. Never again.

Ccfcsj · Oct 18, 2024

There are 2 major reasons at the moment why I'm sticking to a petrol car - please feel free to dispel my thought if I'm wrong which is more than likely:

1. My parents live in Devon and is a good 200 mile drive. I don't like to stop on the journey as I just want to get there (and back) so do it in one go. When I'm there, there's nowhere near their bungalow to charge an EV.

2. I heard from a few sources that an EV is far from Carbon Neutral. Maybe when you are driving it it is but the damage it causes to make the batteries, ship the batteries etc means it takes years to make the car as "clean" as some claim.

Happy to be proved wrong on both points.

As I only bought my car about a year ago, I have 3 years left on the PCP agreement. By then, hopefully, things will have changed a lot and I might consider an EV (not ruling anything out at this stage as it's too early). I do like the look of the Nissan Ariya.

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