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boatang · Nov 15, 2023

I am annoyed by people saying we spent £20m or whatever this season, like that is all that has happened transferwise. Yes we have spent that, but we have also lost £35m of talent, so in reality the net spend so far is -£15m ie the value of the squad is £15m less.

I think we well overacheived last year and lost an exceptional midfielder and one of the best strikers we, or anyone else outside the prem, have had in a long time. I am as disappointed as anyone about how some of the new signings are playing at the moment, but whether we spent the money well or not is another matter.

We have spent £20m to replace £35m it isnt happening yet, is anyone really surprised?

Robinshio · Nov 15, 2023

I would argue we underachieved last year. With vik and gus one international class we should have done better and would have if not for the start

Perryccfc · Nov 15, 2023

Robinshio said:
I would argue we underachieved last year. With vik and gus one international class we should have done better and would have if not for the start

Reaching a play off final is an underachievement is a bold statement.

SBT · Nov 15, 2023

I think it’s possible to argue both things at the same time - that it’s understandable we’d regress given the calibre of the players we lost, but the amount of money we’ve spent trying to replace them should have yielded better results than it has.

napolimp · Nov 15, 2023

SBT said:
I think it’s possible to argue both things at the same time - that it’s understandable we’d regress given the calibre of the players we lost, but the amount of money we’ve spent trying to replace them should have yielded better results than it has.

I was wondering about that. Didn't we theoretically have one of the lowest value squads last season? And that would have been with Gyokeres and Hamer. Once they left it could have been argued our squad was worth barely anything - and O'hare was a long term injury. So you're trying to build a decent squad from nothing, whilst a lot of other clubs in the division will have already had decent squads, and not needed to spend big.

Briles · Nov 15, 2023

boatang said:
I am annoyed by people saying we spent £20m or whatever this season, like that is all that has happened transferwise. Yes we have spent that, but we have also lost £35m of talent, so in reality the net spend so far is -£15m ie the value of the squad is £15m less.

I think we well overacheived last year and lost an exceptional midfielder and one of the best strikers we, or anyone else outside the prem, have had in a long time. I am as disappointed as anyone about how some of the new signings are playing at the moment, but whether we spent the money well or not is another matter.

We have spent £20m to replace £35m it isnt happening yet, is anyone really surprised?

We haven't technically spent 20m either.

Cally Fedora · Nov 15, 2023

It’s not as simple as amount in versus out equals better or worse squad. Do you class Gyokeres as £20m or £1m as he’s had both values as part of our squad? We might have a £30m player somewhere that we don’t know about yet.

wingy · Nov 15, 2023

At least it's not being eroded by inflammation as it sits around.

PVA · Nov 15, 2023

Cally Fedora said:
We might have a £30m player somewhere that we don’t know about yet.

Just you wait till Tavares is back from injury

Brighton Sky Blue · Nov 15, 2023

PVA said:
Just you wait till Tavares is back from injury

He’s going to be unleashed at Millwall apparently

Cally Fedora · Nov 15, 2023

Takes me a while to realise we’re not talking about the 1980’s England opener

skybluecam · Nov 15, 2023

Robinshio said:
I would argue we underachieved last year. With vik and gus one international class we should have done better and would have if not for the start

Rubbish.

Other than those two we probably had one other player (Sheaf) who belonged in a top 6 squad. Dabo made 27 apps and he’s now in league two ffs.

Calista · Nov 15, 2023

wingy said:
At least it's not being eroded by inflammation as it sits around.

I guess you are referring to Liam Kelly's hamstring?

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Nov 16, 2023

The money thing is a bit of a wet argument.

Whilst we've certainly lost two amazing players, we've signed loads of new ones which should be better combined than those two, and other squad players that have left who generally weren't anything special.

We've spent about 10 million worth on defenders, which includes some pretty sought after names. We also signed a first choice goalkeeper, threw several million at a winger that seems to be sitting on the mantlepiece, and two strikers who (on paper at least) most teams in this league should be envious of. Simms alone, but then you have Wright, who has got to be one of the biggest transfers in the division.

There's absolutely no excuse for us sitting in 20th place, and I am definitely surprised how it has turned out. Other than central midfield, the whole squad should be doing better. Like I've said before on here though, I think a lot of this is down to the management rather than the recruitment.

Flying Fokker · Nov 16, 2023

boatang said:
I am annoyed by people saying we spent £20m or whatever this season, like that is all that has happened transferwise. Yes we have spent that, but we have also lost £35m of talent, so in reality the net spend so far is -£15m ie the value of the squad is £15m less.

I think we well overacheived last year and lost an exceptional midfielder and one of the best strikers we, or anyone else outside the prem, have had in a long time. I am as disappointed as anyone about how some of the new signings are playing at the moment, but whether we spent the money well or not is another matter.

We have spent £20m to replace £35m it isnt happening yet, is anyone really surprised?

We also had several loan players who more than matched the performance of our own. Losing Gyo and Hamer was only part of our problem. The rebuild, with fewer loans is another step along the road to the Prem.

Flying Fokker · Nov 16, 2023

wingy said:
At least it's not being eroded by inflammation as it sits around.

Now that’s something to think about.

Matt smith · Nov 16, 2023

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
The money thing is a bit of a wet argument.

Whilst we've certainly lost two amazing players, we've signed loads of new ones which should be better combined than those two, and other squad players that have left who generally weren't anything special.

We've spent about 10 million worth on defenders, which includes some pretty sought after names. We also signed a first choice goalkeeper, threw several million at a winger that seems to be sitting on the mantlepiece, and two strikers who (on paper at least) most teams in this league should be envious of. Simms alone, but then you have Wright, who has got to be one of the biggest transfers in the division.

There's absolutely no excuse for us sitting in 20th place, and I am definitely surprised how it has turned out. Other than central midfield, the whole squad should be doing better. Like I've said before on here though, I think a lot of this is down to the management rather than the recruitment.

So if it’s down to the management, what do we do?

Matt smith · Nov 16, 2023

Flying Fokker said:
We also had several loan players who more than matched the performance of our own. Losing Gyo and Hamer was only part of our problem. The rebuild, with fewer loans is another step along the road to the Prem.

Agree on the loan signings point, it’s a good point as we had some really good loans.

how can you talk about the premiership with 3 wins out of 16 and looking like we’re in a real fight to stay in this league though?

there’s no sentiment in football, and if we’re in a real relegation scrap by Christmas I would have thought king will be seriously considering
the manager and if he does stick with robins who has been great for us no denying that at all, whether he gets a large sum of money.

for me the drastic change to 4/3/3 even though it might be a good one, is desperation, hoping something sticks, after sticking to a formation for 5 years or so.

shmmeee · Nov 16, 2023

Matt smith said:
So if it’s down to the management, what do we do?

You give them the same time they’ve taken to build squads before. We didn’t hit form early in L2, first season up L1 was a misfire from a squad perspective. Agogo and Brown and Chaplin FFS. First season up in the Champ we looked dodgy as fuck until Matty James arrived.

We’ve taken at least half a season if not a season to adapt to moving the squad up a level each time. It’s Robins way. Now it may be that this is the bridge too far, but it’s too early to tell. We’ve got the money to keep rebuilding and reshaping over the next two windows. Then we’ll know really.

I could see us flipping some of the signings from last summer, and having quite a different lineup next year. We won’t go down. Robins has shown that if that comes close we will go tight and grind out points. But we aren’t close to as bad as we were first season up so I really don’t think that’s a danger unless that changes.

What’s happened is we’ve lost the two best game winners in the division, two of the better CBs, and our rock steady captain has (understandly) faltered a bit.

We need to rebuild, it may not happen overnight. But Robins has shown that generally he gets us there over a two year period. Panicking now and heading back to the days of Coleman and Thorn is just mental to entertain.

Matt smith · Nov 16, 2023

shmmeee said:
You give them the same time they’ve taken to build squads before. We didn’t hit form early in L2, first season up L1 was a misfire from a squad perspective. Agogo and Brown and Chaplin FFS. First season up in the Champ we looked dodgy as fuck until Matty James arrived.

We’ve taken at least half a season if not a season to adapt to moving the squad up a level each time. It’s Robins way. Now it may be that this is the bridge too far, but it’s too early to tell. We’ve got the money to keep rebuilding and reshaping over the next two windows. Then we’ll know really.

I could see us flipping some of the signings from last summer, and having quite a different lineup next year. We won’t go down. Robins has shown that if that comes close we will go tight and grind out points. But we aren’t close to as bad as we were first season up so I really don’t think that’s a danger unless that changes.

What’s happened is we’ve lost the two best game winners in the division, two of the better CBs, and our rock steady captain has (understandly) faltered a bit.

We need to rebuild, it may not happen overnight. But Robins has shown that generally he gets us there over a two year period. Panicking now and heading back to the days of Coleman and Thorn is just mental to entertain.

Fair comments well made @shmmeee

what players do you see is flipping?

shmmeee · Nov 16, 2023

Matt smith said:
Fair comments well made @shmmeee

what players do you see is flipping?

I dunno. I didn’t see us flipping Chaplin in L1. I imagine it depends what comes up. There’s rumours around Wright who is the obvious one. Maybe a CB, maybe MvE if he doesn’t settle. Who knows. I think there would be buyers, probably abroad.

shmmeee · Nov 16, 2023

The other thing I’d say is people ask “would you trust Robins with the money?” I’d counter: “What about King makes you trust him with a managerial appointment?”

There’s every possibility that a noob chairman has been over charged in his first dealings with other clubs. And he’s not shown himself to be someone who either understands football on a deep level or is willing to take advice from those who do. I’d be very worried about an “instant success” style appointment tbh.

mmttww · Nov 16, 2023

shmmeee said:
We’ve taken at least half a season if not a season to adapt to moving the squad up a level each time. It’s Robins way. Now it may be that this is the bridge too far, but it’s too early to tell.

...it may not happen overnight. But Robins has shown that generally he gets us there over a two year period. Panicking now and heading back to the days of Coleman and Thorn is just mental to entertain.

It confuses me that people don't seem to grasp this stuff. Perfectly summed it all up, fella. Nice work.

San Francisco · Nov 16, 2023

shmmeee said:
I dunno. I didn’t see us flipping Chaplin in L1. I imagine it depends what comes up. There’s rumours around Wright who is the obvious one. Maybe a CB, maybe MvE if he doesn’t settle. Who knows. I think there would be buyers, probably abroad.

Flogging Wright and co to interested clubs in January would be such a huge admission of failure from the management that I can’t understand why people on here are even considering it.

Greggs · Nov 16, 2023

San Francisco said:
Flogging Wright and co to interested clubs in January would be such a huge admission of failure from the management that I can’t understand why people on here are even considering it.

Well considering none of our new signings have actually made us better, fucking one of them off doesn't seem out of this world. The recruitment has been disgraceful

San Francisco · Nov 16, 2023

Greggs said:
Well considering none of our new signings have actually made us better, fucking one of them off doesn't seem out of this world. The recruitment has been disgraceful

Latibeaudiere and Binks have been decent but for the money spent the others haven’t been worth it so far.

Greggs · Nov 16, 2023

San Francisco said:
Latibeaudiere and Binks have been decent but for the money spent the others haven’t been worth it so far.

One loan, one free. I can take that low risk strategy.

steve cooper · Nov 16, 2023

shmmeee said:
You give them the same time they’ve taken to build squads before. We didn’t hit form early in L2, first season up L1 was a misfire from a squad perspective. Agogo and Brown and Chaplin FFS. First season up in the Champ we looked dodgy as fuck until Matty James arrived.

We’ve taken at least half a season if not a season to adapt to moving the squad up a level each time. It’s Robins way. Now it may be that this is the bridge too far, but it’s too early to tell. We’ve got the money to keep rebuilding and reshaping over the next two windows. Then we’ll know really.

I could see us flipping some of the signings from last summer, and having quite a different lineup next year. We won’t go down. Robins has shown that if that comes close we will go tight and grind out points. But we aren’t close to as bad as we were first season up so I really don’t think that’s a danger unless that changes.

What’s happened is we’ve lost the two best game winners in the division, two of the better CBs, and our rock steady captain has (understandly) faltered a bit.

We need to rebuild, it may not happen overnight. But Robins has shown that generally he gets us there over a two year period. Panicking now and heading back to the days of Coleman and Thorn is just mental to entertain.

I agree with everything in this, but quite honestly some of MR's decisions this year have completely baffled me, and IMO this hasn't helped the situation. The first game of the season we made 3 substitutions in one go, 2 of which were totally untried, when we were well in control of the game. 3 points tossed away there IMO.
Some of the team selection and continuity since then has been like pre-season training games, where a manager tries out different players and systems to see what works and what doesn't.
One of the key ingredients of a successful team is continuity.

Skyblueweeman · Nov 16, 2023

shmmeee said:
You give them the same time they’ve taken to build squads before. We didn’t hit form early in L2, first season up L1 was a misfire from a squad perspective. Agogo and Brown and Chaplin FFS. First season up in the Champ we looked dodgy as fuck until Matty James arrived.

We’ve taken at least half a season if not a season to adapt to moving the squad up a level each time. It’s Robins way. Now it may be that this is the bridge too far, but it’s too early to tell. We’ve got the money to keep rebuilding and reshaping over the next two windows. Then we’ll know really.

I could see us flipping some of the signings from last summer, and having quite a different lineup next year. We won’t go down. Robins has shown that if that comes close we will go tight and grind out points. But we aren’t close to as bad as we were first season up so I really don’t think that’s a danger unless that changes.

What’s happened is we’ve lost the two best game winners in the division, two of the better CBs, and our rock steady captain has (understandly) faltered a bit.

We need to rebuild, it may not happen overnight. But Robins has shown that generally he gets us there over a two year period. Panicking now and heading back to the days of Coleman and Thorn is just mental to entertain.

OK...who's been messing with the large hadron collider? Disagreed on a number of your posts previously but this one is spot on

shmmeee · Nov 16, 2023

San Francisco said:
Flogging Wright and co to interested clubs in January would be such a huge admission of failure from the management that I can’t understand why people on here are even considering it.

Was flogging Chaplin and signing Godden an admission of failure? Maybe. Was it a good move? Definitely.

skybluecam · Nov 16, 2023

shmmeee said:
Was flogging Chaplin and signing Godden an admission of failure? Maybe. Was it a good move? Definitely.

Did we “flog” Chaplin? We made a profit, something we almost certainly wouldn’t do with Wright in Jan.

shmmeee · Nov 16, 2023

skybluecam said:
Did we “flog” Chaplin? We made a profit, something we almost certainly wouldn’t do with Wright in Jan.

We would have said that about Chaplin as well. But we sold him cos he wasn’t working really. I don’t know what the Turkish clubs rumoured would pay TBH. I’m only mentioning wright because there’s rumours and I don’t think we’d flip in Jan, more likely next season.

slondonskyblue · Nov 16, 2023

We are not far away from being a very good team - keep the faith. PUSB.

Greggs · Nov 16, 2023

slondonskyblue said:
We are not far away from being a very good team - keep the faith. PUSB.

Just a keeper, defense, midfield and forward line to sort out, yeah we'll be fine, keep the faith.

skybluecam · Nov 16, 2023

Greggs said:
Just a keeper, defense, midfield and forward line to sort out, yeah we'll be fine, keep the faith.

How’ve you listed all those and missed our biggest problem which is the midfield

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