bigfatronssba
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Cant really argue with you there to be honest.
Totally agree with you on all points except I believe that with all the fans we can muster its still worthless. sadly imo we are doomed under the current conditions.
Some supporters will go to games regardless of where they are played or who the owners are. Some could only get to home games and now can't, some are doing NOPM, some won't return under Sisu ownership. Those are fans who may well attend matches again once we are back in Coventry but some have lost interest completely. It takes a hell of a lot more energy/cash to gain new customers than it does to retain the old existing ones. In my personal opinion every week that we're not playing our home games in Coventry we will be losing existing supporters and failing to gain new ones from the youth of our city.
If the plan is for a return to the Ricoh after a successful outcome from the JR (and that ignores the possibility of appeals) and for all our previous support to come flooding back then I hope everyone does. However the longer this drags on the more likely it is that people will find something else to do on a Saturday that costs less or don't start supporting us. If a sale (and that appears to be the only way for Sisu to get their investors money back) would be more lucrative and for a higher price with a greater fan base then why encourage the loss of supporters by staying in Northampton.
We need to be back in Coventry before we run out of enough support, and this could be the (brought up to league standards) rugby club if it can be done over the summer. If f it is to be the new stadium then we need to start last year because we're in danger and I'm not sure that they realise how bad this could be.
#Some supporters will go to games regardless of where they are played or who the owners are. Some could only get to home games and now can't, some are doing NOPM, some won't return under Sisu ownership. Those are fans who may well attend matches again once we are back in Coventry but some have lost interest completely. It takes a hell of a lot more energy/cash to gain new customers than it does to retain the old existing ones. In my personal opinion every week that we're not playing our home games in Coventry we will be losing existing supporters and failing to gain new ones from the youth of our city.
If the plan is for a return to the Ricoh after a successful outcome from the JR (and that ignores the possibility of appeals) and for all our previous support to come flooding back then I hope everyone does. However the longer this drags on the more likely it is that people will find something else to do on a Saturday that costs less or don't start supporting us. If a sale (and that appears to be the only way for Sisu to get their investors money back) would be more lucrative and for a higher price with a greater fan base then why encourage the loss of supporters by staying in Northampton.
We need to be back in Coventry before we run out of enough support, and this could be the (brought up to league standards) rugby club if it can be done over the summer. If f it is to be the new stadium then we need to start last year because we're in danger and I'm not sure that they realise how bad this could be.
There is no evidence to suggest temporary absence from the city will reduce attendances. In fact Brighton as an example suggests the opposite may be true.
and there is no evidence to suggest they will be back to previous levels, however i think that with success crowds would flock back, i just dont believe we will be in that situation unless something really mind blowing occurs. the balance sheet is too far gone in the wrong direction for that to happen. we are on the life support machine we just dont know it
your really believe that? I am with you in thinking the 1500 are irrelevant but frankly the 8500 are just as impotent, Noble gesture staying away but influencing the outcome? not happening sadly.
SISU will not be able to carry out any plans with that amount of paying customers
There is no evidence to suggest temporary absence from the city will reduce attendances. In fact Brighton as an example suggests the opposite may be true.
Brighton got "lucky". A fan prepared to put a lot of money into the club. First season attendances at Ricoh and Amex were similar. Brighton had the money to kick on we didn't.
The club played 70 miles from their home and then had a decade at an athletics track with restricted facilities and attendances.
Some theorists would suggest a return after such a long absence would mean fans have found something else to do on a Saturday.
They clearly hadn't.
The club played 70 miles from their home and then had a decade at an athletics track with restricted facilities and attendances.
Some theorists would suggest a return after such a long absence would mean fans have found something else to do on a Saturday.
They clearly hadn't.
They had 40% of their fans turning up to the ground share. We have 15%.
They were away for 2 seasons, we will be away for at least 3.
Really not sure you can compare having an athletics track to being 35 miles away in a shed, but to go with your insanity: they had 4 promotion seasons whilst at the Withdean, the final one to the Championship in the season before the move to their new ground.
Talk about apples and oranges.
They had 40% of their fans turning up to the ground share. We have 15%.
They were away for 2 seasons, we will be away for at least 3.
Really not sure you can compare having an athletics track to being 35 miles away in a shed, but to go with your insanity: they had 4 promotion seasons whilst at the Withdean, the final one to the Championship in the season before the move to their new ground.
Talk about apples and oranges.
Here we go again with the fickle fans brought it all on themselves cack. Anyone even mentioning city and the term "glory supporter" really has not been paying much attention for the last 40 years.
We have gone way past needing to worry about attendances increasing for bigger games or when on good run (a strange phenomena which only happens at CCFC). Long term "real fans" are just reaching the point where they can simply no longer be arsed with the treatment from the club and are saying enough is enough. You only have to read here, pick up a paper or just talk to your mates. It is very real and very damaging.
But hey if they didn't go to the Burton JPT game then who gives a shit - they're not worth keeping anyway right ?
The club played 70 miles from their home and then had a decade at an athletics track with restricted facilities and attendances.
Some theorists would suggest a return after such a long absence would mean fans have found something else to do on a Saturday.
They clearly hadn't.
I've just had a series of interesting conversations with Chelsea fans who have said they have endured 'tough times', like John Terry missing a penalty in the Champions League final, and one time when they finished 6th. Our problems pale into comparison with these poor souls.
Exactly and did they all desert that terrible season they only won the carling Cup ? No, they supported their boys through the tough times. Not like our fickle lot. Don't get me started on the unsupportive owners....
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They were at the Withdean for a decade and before that there is the small matter of playing 70 miles away at Gillingham.
So if we moved say to Doncaster for two years you wouldn't be doubting fans ability to return - its because its Northampton? And you say its my insanity. Jesus.
Success on the pitch brings fans in, nothing else. A return to the Ricoh would start with an emotional surge in interest and then it will depend on results and hope and winning games bring interest and hope.
Thats your theory, I hope you are right. I suggest that the only way we will return to previous levels of support is with new owners who are transparent in their business plan and dealings with the fans, success on the field of play and some enticements in the initial stages of the return.
The club have lost the goodwill of its fan base and many will not return at all and we are losing the future sky blues in the process of our time away from Coventry.
One more thing where do you think this successful team is coming from? we are a mediocre at best league 1 side who are tens of millions in debt with no assets.
They were at the Withdean for a decade and before that there is the small matter of playing 70 miles away at Gillingham.
So if we moved say to Doncaster for two years you wouldn't be doubting fans ability to return - its because its Northampton? And you say its my insanity. Jesus.
Success on the pitch brings fans in, nothing else. A return to the Ricoh would start with an emotional surge in interest and then it will depend on results and hope and winning games bring interest and hope.
Brighton is a bit different.Their crowds before they left the Goldstone were pretty much the same as the Withdean gates. Combination of new stadium and investment in the team got people there and comparative success has kept them going.
So, a bit like for every other club then. Not the case if you listen to some on here
Don't think anyone has contested that success = more fans, I think most of discussions centre on whether we're really a big a club with a big fan base as we think we are, and comparing us to similar clubs that have been in league one shows that our 'hardcore' appears to be comparably smaller than the majority of our peers.q
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Isn't that a bit of a contradiction though?
Similar sized clubs to use have all had far more success than we have in recent years, hence more fans.
Not all of them have.
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