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Mary_Mungo_Midge

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One of the scary realisations is that I truly don’t believe SISU are bothered about the idea of relegation to League One. Not now. Of course, there was a time when they’d have considered it abhorrent, but I think they are well past that stage now. Since they’ve been involved with the club, the average gate has been reducing season-by-season, from over 18K to circa. 14K this term, and still dropping. Outside of the Premier League, there’s little broadcast revenue and their income is derived from two places, match-day receipt and the sale of players. I think they would consider that gates won’t drop too far below were they currently are, and that were we to perform well in League One, then we might actually see an improving gate in the same way Charlton and the two Sheffield clubs have a season-long average of 17 to 20K gates, and even Huddersfield Town are close to 13,500. Preston’s 12.4K average is almost exactly what they were getting in the Championship.

Our wage bill has dropped below the £7m annual wage level – placing in already within the bottom three in this division - and with further departures of Cranie, Eastwood and Clingon atop Jutkewitz; we shall be exactly in-line with where we need to be as a League One club.

As such, I believe SISU are treading water; and have been since last summer. They realise the whole gamble in CCFC has proven a massive mistake, and have already cashed in on next year’s season tick sales, remortgaged Ryton and sold Prozone. They now are of the mind-set, I believe, that even in the face of relegation, their financial exposure can’t get any worse. In fact it could get better – with senior players leaving and a glut of players from a well-performing academy forming the nucleus of a new, youthful team. Of course, they’ll sell one or two of these nuggets to balance the books every season, but nevertheless, that’s the plan. If an investor, or consortium comes along, then great – but they’re planning for the worst without such and sticking hard to that plan.

In amongst all this sits Andy Thorn. He inherited a position last year that he did reasonably well with, and as such gave SISU a great card to play. Appoint Thorn – a man hopelessly unqualified for the role – and they look like they’ve bent their knee to the wishes of the fans. Whereas in practise, they like him because he’s dirt cheap. If he performs, it looks like a genius appointment. If his ineptness leads to failure, then he’ll catch much of the flack. Win-win. He’s also liable to be so gratified by the opportunity he’s been given, bearing in mind he took the role driving a Vauxhall Omega, that he’ll be more accommodating of their selling of players and meddling than a more vocal and experienced manager like Davies would be.

As such, what’s Thorn? Well, the sad sight of a man with great ideas and aspirations, but without the experience, or raw materials at his disposal to deliver. Given his inexperience, he needs more assets at his disposal than his more experienced peers; whereas in practise he has less. Not. A. Chance.

Yes, he appears stilted and without reason in post-match analysis. Yes, he makes strange substitutions, often late in games, or at strange times in games. Yes, upon occasion his formation can be over-run by teams who can use their benches better.

But if he still had the likes of King, Gunnarsson, Westwood and Turner still in a squad, conditioned properly by a proper fitness team; many of his failings would be unseen. Other managers make mistakes – let’s be clear – but Thorn doesn’t have the quality he needs for his better players to cover his arse.

Accordingly, I see him as being hung out to dry. That’s why I – like many – offer our support for what he’s trying to do, if not necessarily every element of its execution. No-one pretends he’s a great manager, or even a good manager, because he’s not. He’s not even a manager. He’s just a good quality scout, thrown in to a position well beyond his skills, and struggling in the face of adversity; in a landscape prepared by owners who won’t give him, or us, any candid explanation of their long term plan
 

Otis

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Unfortunately MMM, some of here do say he's a good manager.

Think we all agree he is doing the best he can. At the end of the day though, he is a scout and not a manager, as you have already stated.
 

EleanorRigby

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My sentiments entirely, championship is too expensive for SISU and don't even dare to mention the Premiership. I read on here some time ago our weekly wage bill was £70k get in the Prem and that would quadruple. minimum
 

sw88

Chief Commentator!
My worry is that irrespective of our performances, more so in league 1, we still wont get the support that other clubs have had, even with playing well. It just seems that while we're not playing Premiership football / opposition, most locals couldnt care about the club.
 

ccfcway

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i am and will always continue to watch my club where possible..

However you must be able to understand that for the "occassional fan" Coventry V Yeovil isnt too much to get excited about on a Tuesday evening in Nov
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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My sentiments entirely, championship is too expensive for SISU and don't even dare to mention the Premiership. I read on here some time ago our weekly wage bill was £70k get in the Prem and that would quadruple. minimum

I agree with you. Our support is apathetic given the 300K+ people who live in the City; plus surrounding large towns such as Nuneaton, Rugby, Leamington and Warwick. I simply think the folk from SISU have - in their own minds - concluded that there's a bare minimum level of support, and we're pretty much down to that now. There are enough people such as 'ccfcway' about who will go for their unconditional love of the club / to meet with friends for a few beers / gets them out from under the spouce's feet / etc. who will keep a core support not too far adrift from the low levels already achieved
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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One of the scary realisations is that I truly don’t believe SISU are bothered about the idea of relegation to League One. Not now. Of course, there was a time when they’d have considered it abhorrent, but I think they are well past that stage now. Since they’ve been involved with the club, the average gate has been reducing season-by-season, from over 18K to circa. 14K this term, and still dropping. Outside of the Premier League, there’s little broadcast revenue and their income is derived from two places, match-day receipt and the sale of players. I think they would consider that gates won’t drop too far below were they currently are, and that were we to perform well in League One, then we might actually see an improving gate in the same way Charlton and the two Sheffield clubs have a season-long average of 17 to 20K gates, and even Huddersfield Town are close to 13,500. Preston’s 12.4K average is almost exactly what they were getting in the Championship.

Our wage bill has dropped below the £7m annual wage level – placing in already within the bottom three in this division - and with further departures of Cranie, Eastwood and Clingon atop Jutkewitz; we shall be exactly in-line with where we need to be as a League One club.

As such, I believe SISU are treading water; and have been since last summer. They realise the whole gamble in CCFC has proven a massive mistake, and have already cashed in on next year’s season tick sales, remortgaged Ryton and sold Prozone. They now are of the mind-set, I believe, that even in the face of relegation, their financial exposure can’t get any worse. In fact it could get better – with senior players leaving and a glut of players from a well-performing academy forming the nucleus of a new, youthful team. Of course, they’ll sell one or two of these nuggets to balance the books every season, but nevertheless, that’s the plan. If an investor, or consortium comes along, then great – but they’re planning for the worst without such and sticking hard to that plan.

In amongst all this sits Andy Thorn. He inherited a position last year that he did reasonably well with, and as such gave SISU a great card to play. Appoint Thorn – a man hopelessly unqualified for the role – and they look like they’ve bent their knee to the wishes of the fans. Whereas in practise, they like him because he’s dirt cheap. If he performs, it looks like a genius appointment. If his ineptness leads to failure, then he’ll catch much of the flack. Win-win. He’s also liable to be so gratified by the opportunity he’s been given, bearing in mind he took the role driving a Vauxhall Omega, that he’ll be more accommodating of their selling of players and meddling than a more vocal and experienced manager like Davies would be.

As such, what’s Thorn? Well, the sad sight of a man with great ideas and aspirations, but without the experience, or raw materials at his disposal to deliver. Given his inexperience, he needs more assets at his disposal than his more experienced peers; whereas in practise he has less. Not. A. Chance.

Yes, he appears stilted and without reason in post-match analysis. Yes, he makes strange substitutions, often late in games, or at strange times in games. Yes, upon occasion his formation can be over-run by teams who can use their benches better.

But if he still had the likes of King, Gunnarsson, Westwood and Turner still in a squad, conditioned properly by a proper fitness team; many of his failings would be unseen. Other managers make mistakes – let’s be clear – but Thorn doesn’t have the quality he needs for his better players to cover his arse.

Accordingly, I see him as being hung out to dry. That’s why I – like many – offer our support for what he’s trying to do, if not necessarily every element of its execution. No-one pretends he’s a great manager, or even a good manager, because he’s not. He’s not even a manager. He’s just a good quality scout, thrown in to a position well beyond his skills, and struggling in the face of adversity; in a landscape prepared by owners who won’t give him, or us, any candid explanation of their long term plan

Pretty much right on the money there-good post. Last night was pretty much the straw to break the camel's back to be honest; fans older than myself have seen the club thrive in some capacity for a few years, and the best season I was alive to remember was 98/99! It won't be long before the current generation of fans have grown up with CCFC having been a below par 2nd/3rd tier club for 10-20 years; and the parasites who started it all off will be laughing in their graves. Bastards.
 

brinner

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i have it on good authority that Thorn was called in to a meeting today to be told that most of the remaining squad will be sold in the summer.

So things are going to get a lot worse when we get relegated, we lose £3 million + overnight with relegation so sisus game plan is to sell Thomas, Bigi, Christie, Keogh etc to cut that defecit.

Fantastic gameplan by sisu this, break even this season but finish bottom while doing it only to lose £3 mil + in the 1st month of the new financial year due to relegation.

So this time next season if sisu remauin here we will be struggling to maintain our place in league 1.
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
i have it on good authority that Thorn was called in to a meeting today to be told that most of the remaining squad will be sold in the summer.

So things are going to get a lot worse when we get relegated, we lose £3 million + overnight with relegation so sisus game plan is to sell Thomas, Bigi, Christie, Keogh etc to cut that defecit.

Fantastic gameplan by sisu this, break even this season but finish bottom while doing it only to lose £3 mil + in the 1st month of the new financial year due to relegation.

So this time next season if sisu remauin here we will be struggling to maintain our place in league 1.

Did your "good authority" tell you when they might take over the club?

Mind you, wouldn't want any of them to be misquoted and have to give us all a call about it.
 

kingharvest

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One point, I don't know the exact numbers, but I'm pretty sure nearly half our revenue is tv money, nearly all of which will disappear if relegated. So their income streams would be hit dramatically.

We know this anyway, but relegation without investment would be catastrophic
 

wingy

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i have it on good authority that Thorn was called in to a meeting today to be told that most of the remaining squad will be sold in the summer.

So things are going to get a lot worse when we get relegated, we lose £3 million + overnight with relegation so sisus game plan is to sell Thomas, Bigi, Christie, Keogh etc to cut that defecit.

Fantastic gameplan by sisu this, break even this season but finish bottom while doing it only to lose £3 mil + in the 1st month of the new financial year due to relegation.

So this time next season if sisu remauin here we will be struggling to maintain our place in league 1.
WHy would they do this Brinner ,surely they intend to have meaningful dialogue with GH consortia,and would wait until relegation was confirmed to kick him in the Bollox, after all they've had him buzzing for 3-4 weeks over being able to horse trade,are they schitzophrenic,or are they trying to get him to resign,i mean we've just had the lovely warm article from TF that the benevolent ones are funding us as income from transfers only trickles in in stages ,therefore rendering sales pointless ,as they generate hot air
 

wingy

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One point, I don't know the exact numbers, but I'm pretty sure nearly half our revenue is tv money, nearly all of which will disappear if relegated. So their income streams would be hit dramatically.

We know this anyway, but relegation without investment would be catastrophic

We stand to lose around £4m. league /tv money combined,add in lost fans £1m. leaves income @£4.5m.ish
 

brinner

New Member
Did your "good authority" tell you when they might take over the club?

Mind you, wouldn't want any of them to be misquoted and have to give us all a call about it.
dont think the person that told me would have the funds tbf.

but if you want to hear it from the horses mouth meet me outside the casino straight after the game on saturday and he can tell you it himself!!
 

wingy

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Did your "good authority" tell you when they might take over the club?

Mind you, wouldn't want any of them to be misquoted and have to give us all a call about it.

AS it implies they are not planning on going anywhere ,theres no danger of being misquoted or mis-identified on the consortias part.
 

brinner

New Member
WHy would they do this Brinner ,surely they intend to have meaningful dialogue with GH consortia,and would wait until relegation was confirmed to kick him in the Bollox, after all they've had him buzzing for 3-4 weeks over being able to horse trade,are they schitzophrenic,or are they trying to get him to resign,i mean we've just had the lovely warm article from TF that the benevolent ones are funding us as income from transfers only trickles in in stages ,therefore rendering sales pointless ,as they generate hot air
its pretty obvious to most of us that sisu havent a clue how to run a football club.

and wouldnt suprise me if they were tryin g to get thorn to chuck it in as they wouldnt have to pay owt in compo then!!
 

EleanorRigby

New Member
I do think there needs to be some sort of statement from the Hoff group now. We have had talk of there being talks soon, articles in the local rag about ownership and finance from the ever smirking Fisher yet not a dicky bird from the other party.
 

wingy

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I do think there needs to be some sort of statement from the Hoff group now. We have had talk of there being talks soon, articles in the local rag about ownership and finance from the ever smirking Fisher yet not a dicky bird from the other party.
THe last remark from fisher relating to talks was played during fridays CWR phone in ,saying ."We'll sit down and have acup of tea when the window closes",so that would be about now .
 

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