MP asks for CCFC intervention (1 Viewer)

Deleted member 5849 · Aug 22, 2016

Warwickhunt said:
I dont blame them at all if the WASP club is close too liquidation and some council offers you a stadium thats worth £40 million+ for a very reduced price of £20 million I would snap their hands off

...and move your club?

You wouldn't just cut costs, and accept that the club can't stand at the level it sits at currently?

If I were owner of a sporting club my prime motivation would be maintaining it as club, with all its sedimented history that goes with it. Then again, that's what differs between me and Wasps and CCFC's owners - maybe that's why I'll never have the cash to actually deliver on my aim, eh. Profit before culture is what's destroying sport in this country.

If the demand for top flight Rugby Union is in Coventry, we have a Rugby club here to deliver it that's been here far before Wasps...

stupot07 · Aug 22, 2016

chiefdave said:
That's the problem, why are Wasps saying SISU dropping legal action against CCC is a requirement for talks to take place over a deal between CCFC and Wasps?
And why did they start negotiations and then suddenly stop?

I'm convinced that it had nothing to do with legals and everything to do with delaying talks go put the club in a position where it has no choice but accept a significantly more expensive long term take it or leave it offer.

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Deleted member 5849 · Aug 22, 2016

Rodders1 said:
Why don't we move to the City of Rugby (ok it's a town I know!)

Well there was the mental proposal for an all-singing all-dancing ground there. Maybe we could resurrect that...

Nick · Aug 22, 2016

oldskyblue58 said:
neither can I CD but the scenario I described would make it seem a CCFC/SISU decision to go and turn down an acceptable deal on the surface of it .......... even if some would always see it as that in any case........ The FA/FL may accept that but the CCFC fans might see it differently which could have serious implications

Of course, if it came down to it Wasps will come out with "We offered them a great deal" and job done.

Fans wont be interested in what the actual offer was, just that we didn't / couldn't take it.

skyblueinBaku · Aug 22, 2016

Deleted member 5849 said:
How many board members do they have to go through before we accept the constant is the ultimate owners... who also need to take responsibility for who they appoint, too.

You are right, NW. Joy has appointed a succession of incompetents to the board. Her judgement is highly questionable.

chiefdave · Aug 22, 2016

italiahorse said:
So Wycombe Wanderers stadium was London Wasps home ?

No, it was a temporary location before they moved back to London. At least that's what their fans were constantly told.

rupert_bear · Aug 22, 2016

skyblueindorset said:
You are right, NW. Joy has appointed a succession of incompetents to the board. Her judgement is highly questionable.

Remember before the Northampton issue Joy Sepalla didn't know ccfc existed, that's been admitted by her, once the adverse publicity and Government involvement occurred she got involved. The football club football wise means nothing to her, her appointments have simply not delivered on all fronts, why she continues with having a football club on her portfolio is a puzzle.

italiahorse · Aug 22, 2016

chiefdave said:
No, it was a temporary location before they moved back to London. At least that's what their fans were constantly told.

Thought they wanted to build a stadium in Wycombe but Wycombe Council stopped it ? I suppose I need to read their forum to get the real facts.

rupert_bear · Aug 22, 2016

chiefdave said:
No, it was a temporary location before they moved back to London. At least that's what their fans were constantly told.

But is that our concern or between Wasps and their supporters ? They had after all been at Wycombe 10 years !

chiefdave · Aug 22, 2016

italiahorse said:
Thought they wanted to build a stadium in Wycombe but Wycombe Council stopped it ? I suppose I need to read their forum to get the real facts.

They wanted WW to stump up for a new stadium they didn't really need that Wasps would also use.

Brylowes · Aug 22, 2016

Nick said:
Of course, if it came down to it Wasps will come out with "We offered them a great deal" and job done.

Fans wont be interested in what the actual offer was, just that we didn't / couldn't take it.

On the contrary, I think fans would be very interested, no credit being given again Nick

Nick · Aug 22, 2016

Brylowes said:
On the contrary, I think fans would be very interested, no credit being given again Nick

Really? Why is it when people were coming out making rental offers (like Michael did), when asking about the terms, numbers and small print people got angry for that being asked. Same as when people questioned the Hoffman one.

The majority of people won't be interested in the deal, just whether we are at the Ricoh or not. The small print and the terms won't be of any interest.

Wasps could say "rental deal for £1*"

*ha as if, it's going to be a million

And people will quote it as £1, skipping the terms.

stupot07 · Aug 22, 2016

rupert_bear said:
Remember before the Northampton issue Joy Sepalla didn't know ccfc existed,

Im pretty sure thats not true, she just said she hadn't personally been involved in the running of the club as that Onge fella had been the sisu rep on the board.

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Nick · Aug 22, 2016

italiahorse said:
Thought they wanted to build a stadium in Wycombe but Wycombe Council stopped it ? I suppose I need to read their forum to get the real facts.

Not to mention the offer Wasps turned down closer to their actual home for the stadium with hotel

Deleted member 5849 · Aug 22, 2016

rupert_bear said:
But is that our concern or between Wasps and their supporters ? They had after all been at Wycombe 10 years !

It's our concern if the consequence is to loosen the intrinsic ties of sporting clubs to place.

Bruce the Boot · Aug 22, 2016

stupot07 said:
Really shows how much we are again between a rock and a hard place. Sisu continue to be a bunch of incompetent lying b******ds, whilst wasps, the council, and others are seemingly making it impossible to stay in Coventry. We're (the fans) again stuck in the middle being shat on from all angles.

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Hang on a mo , Sisu , said We are building are own ground , sorting our own academy. How on earth is it anybody else fault ? Where is the refusal of the plans Sisu have submitted for this mystery new stadium ? If Sisu stop telling porkys the club would nt be in such a mess . Sisu need to start delivering ................ Simple.

stupot07 · Aug 22, 2016

Bruce the Boot said:
Hang on a mo , Sisu , said We are building are own ground , sorting our own academy. How on earth is it anybody else fault ? Where is the refusal of the plans Sisu have submitted for this mystery new stadium ? If Sisu stop telling porkys the club would nt be in such a mess . Sisu need to start delivering ................ Simple.

And here we go.....the refusal to place any blame or see any fault on anyone but sisu....

OSBs post summaries most of the current issues.

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rupert_bear · Aug 22, 2016

Deleted member 5849 said:
It's our concern if the consequence is to loosen the intrinsic ties of sporting clubs to place.

Talking about their decision to move wherever they went. Our concern now has to be getting a regular home to play our football in and continue to be in the FL, chewing the fat on and on about where and what Wasps should have done solves nothing. We the supporters should be very much on Wasps case and sisu's case loud, publically and often where we stand. There is genuine concerns which is why imo Jim Cunningham MP has raised it.

Nick · Aug 22, 2016

rupert_bear said:
Talking about their decision to move wherever they went. Our concern now has to be getting a regular home to play our football in and continues to be in the FL, chewing the fat on and on about where and what Wasps should have done solves nothing. We the supporters should be very much on Wasps case and sisu's case loud, publically and often where we stand. There is genuine concerns which is why imo Jim Cunningham MP has raised it.

Agree, every side should be pressured. The council come out and make statements demanding money, but nobody really bats an eye.

Bruce the Boot · Aug 22, 2016

stupot07 said:
And here we go.....the refusal to place any blame or see any fault on anyone but sisu....

OSBs post summaries most of the current issues.

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Other people have acted their way , because they have taken Sisu s word at face value , Show me the new stadium and i might start to believe Sisu ..

Deleted member 5849 · Aug 22, 2016

rupert_bear said:
Talking about their decision to move wherever they went

...which is our concern, for the reasons I've outlined.

Nick · Aug 22, 2016

Bruce the Boot said:
Other people have acted their way , because they have taken Sisu s word at face value , Show me the new stadium and i might start to believe Sisu ..

No they haven't.

People are either being naive or just a bit simple.

"ah they said they want a new stadium, get the fuckers kicked out ASAP"

If we are talking about face value, surely the council should have turned Wasps away because they wanted to move to London?

Skyblueweeman · Aug 22, 2016

rupert_bear said:
I think sisu operate nopm regarding Mowbray's budget.

You know we've bought (as in 'paid for') two players recently?

Moff · Aug 22, 2016

italiahorse said:
You ignore the facts on this. Wasps were minutes away from being liquidated only a few years ago and were renting an out of London stadium.

Its ironic that you tell Nick he is ignoring facts, when your post isn't factual. Wasps were never minutes away from liquidation, but if it helps to prove your point fabricate away.

Nick · Aug 22, 2016

Moff said:
Its ironic that you tell Nick he is ignoring facts, when your post isn't factual. Wasps were never minutes away from liquidation, but if it helps to prove your point fabricate away.

You do realise if you correct people, it means you are happy with SISU though?

Moff · Aug 22, 2016

italiahorse said:
So Wycombe Wanderers stadium was London Wasps home ?

It was one of several moves, but still within reasonable distance of their original home, you know London. I take it you will support CCFC when they do the same. Perhaps you can buy some land near Rushden in prep for more parking

Moff · Aug 22, 2016

Nick said:
You do realise if you correct people, it means you are happy with SISU though?

Yes I am obviously a huge SISU apologist as I like arguments based on fact and not bullshit.

Booooooo Moff, what an apologist.

rupert_bear · Aug 22, 2016

To be honest Nick this home ground issue needs its own thread I believe it is massive to our future any tangents to the Acadamy or Wasps

Skyblueweeman said:
You know we've bought (as in 'paid for') two players recently?

Wow !

Deleted member 5849 · Aug 22, 2016

Moff said:
It was one of several moves, but still within reasonable distance of their original home, you know London.

Wycombe was a stupid move, too.

Rugby clubs have made some stupid ones... they mostly end up going back home in some sense though.

Or, in Richmond's case, finding they couldn't sustain a top tier Rugby club so reforming at a lower level, and returning to their roots.

Now *there's* a model that should be welcomed.

Moff · Aug 22, 2016

Deleted member 5849 said:
Wycombe was a stupid move, too.

Rugby clubs have made some stupid ones... they mostly end up going back home in some sense though.

Or, in Richmond's case, finding they couldn't sustain a top tier Rugby club so reforming at a lower level, and returning to their roots.

Now *there's* a model that should be welcomed.

I agree Wycombe was a dumb move. Moving a club from its home due to the vanity of its owners......that story is a little familiar!

Its interesting to see that Saracens eventually kicked the Watford ground share into touch and moved back home to their newly built, and perfectly sized Aviva stadium. It amuses me that despite all their boasting of untold wealth etc Wasps fans bleat incessantly at Saracens and their success. As they say jealousy is so unbecoming

Ian1779 · Aug 22, 2016

Moff said:
It was one of several moves, but still within reasonable distance of their original home, you know London. I take it you will support CCFC when they do the same. Perhaps you can buy some land near Rushden in prep for more parking

Hang on I live over here - I've got my eye on that car park

Brylowes · Aug 22, 2016

Nick said:
Really? Why is it when people were coming out making rental offers (like Michael did), when asking about the terms, numbers and small print people got angry for that being asked. Same as when people questioned the Hoffman one.

The majority of people won't be interested in the deal, just whether we are at the Ricoh or not. The small print and the terms won't be of any interest.

Wasps could say "rental deal for £1*"

*ha as if, it's going to be a million

And people will quote it as £1, skipping the terms.

But Nick some people will read every word and scrutinise every statement and offer, but the
Majority of supporters form their opinion based on headlines, buzzwords and hearsay that's
How it works, I'm not saying it's right, just that's how everything works.
Not sure why you don't / won't grasp this.

Nick · Aug 22, 2016

Brylowes said:
But Nick some people will read every word and scrutinise every statement and offer, but the
Majority of supporters form their opinion based on headlines, buzzwords and hearsay that's
How it works, I'm not saying it's right, just that's how everything works.
Not sure why you don't / won't grasp this.

So you are agreeing with what I am saying then aren't you?

All it takes is a headline saying "Wasps offered an amazing deal" and the majority of people will only read that and not question it.

Brylowes · Aug 22, 2016

Moff said:
Yes I am obviously a huge SISU apologist as I like arguments based on fact and not bullshit.

Booooooo Moff, what an apologist.

Well get off of here and let the rest of us get on with the "bullshit"

Moff said:
It was one of several moves, but still within reasonable distance of their original home, you know London. I take it you will support CCFC when they do the same. Perhaps you can buy some land near Rushden in prep for more parking

always amuses me when when everyone beats Italia with the "car park stick" when
There's not a poster on here who wouldn't do exactly the same

italiahorse · Aug 22, 2016

Nick said:
Agree, every side should be pressured. The council come out and make statements demanding money, but nobody really bats an eye.

It's not Dick Turpin asking demanding it !!!
It's what they calculate Sisu silly court cases have cost them that they can't retrieve.
Why deal with them again if everytime it costs them money ?
Sometimes you need to take off your Sisu glasses, step back and understand the reasoning.

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