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Sky Blue Kid

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  • May 27, 2016
  • #176
chiefdave said:
IMO there needs to be huge changes in football. I just can't see how the current setup can be sustained. Until there is a setup that removes parachute payments and forces all clubs to be self sustaining football will remain in a mess with numerous clubs struggling to pay the bills.

Personally I'd have a wage cap and floor in each division and fixed squad sizes. If you get promoted and can't afford to pay the wage floor you don't go up, same as if your ground isn't up to standard.
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The only thing JH pushed that I was against. Totally agree with everything you posted.... On this post
 

Skyblueweeman

Well-Known Member
  • May 27, 2016
  • #177
Pretty much the end of the week and no news?


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torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • May 27, 2016
  • #178
Sky Blue Kid said:
Is that a fact? or just your opinion?
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Probably along the same lines as you stating thousands believe every word sisu say. Opinion or fact?

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mark82

Super Moderator
  • May 27, 2016
  • #179
Sky Blue Kid said:
The only thing JH pushed that I was against. Totally agree with everything you posted.... On this post
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Got to remember it was different back then. Players were earning relatively small salaries and club owners were making huge profits. The stars weren't getting the benefits of their performances. Where I agree is that these days it's gone too far the other way, so maybe something needs introducing to keep it in check.
 

robbiekeane

Well-Known Member
  • May 27, 2016
  • #180
Sky Blue Kid said:
Nobody is saying that mate. But at least they've "Had a go" The chances of doing a Blackpool in the future(Getting to the premier league by spending f**k all) is slimmer than "Flattened roadkill" Which just about sums up our owners
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Really struggling to understand then.
Tony seems to be implying that it's only SISU's incompetence that resulted in their initial investment being ineffective, because they invested in the wrong way. My point is that there are so many clubs spunking money away on the off chance that they get in the premier league, that the chances are so low that it's not a good move to do that, both investment wise (i.e. chances of getting a return), but more because of the risk you put on the clubs future.

To which is sounds like your point is that it's okay because they "had a go"? Is that actually a real argument? You'd be happy if we spent millions that we didn't have, despite the huge risk, because at least we've had a go? That's the stupidest thing i've ever heard.
 

robbiekeane

Well-Known Member
  • May 27, 2016
  • #181
mark82 said:
Got to remember it was different back then. Players were earning relatively small salaries and club owners were making huge profits. The stars weren't getting the benefits of their performances. Where I agree is that these days it's gone too far the other way, so maybe something needs introducing to keep it in check.
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Hmmm. Sorry mate, I get where you're coming from but the TV rights money just proves that they're actually earning what they're worth in the market for the most part. Capping wages would destroy the game. It certainly wouldn't be the same quality we see it as now.

Maybe something can be done though to get more money down the leagues. Although all that really does is devalue the money in the premier league.....hmmm
 

chiefdave

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  • May 27, 2016
  • #182
robbiekeane said:
Capping wages would destroy the game. It certainly wouldn't be the same quality we see it as now.
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How would it? If you had a tiered system down the leagues it would mean a) more, if not all teams, running at as self sustaining and b) at the start of every season all clubs have a competitive chance.
 
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robbiekeane

Well-Known Member
  • May 27, 2016
  • #183
chiefdave said:
How would it? If you had a tiered system down the leagues it would mean a) more, if not all teams, running at as self sustaining and b) at the start of every season all clubs have a competitive chance.
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It's idealistic.

Well firstly all of the decent players would go abroad. Secondly, if we were to assume it was somehow a global phenomenon, there would be less would-be players choosing to dedicate their life to trying to be successful in the sport, as the opportunity cost is lower to go for a safer option.
That, and all you'd be doing is either giving all the money to Sky, or letting the clubs keep it.
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • May 27, 2016
  • #184
robbiekeane said:
Really struggling to understand then.
Tony seems to be implying that it's only SISU's incompetence that resulted in their initial investment being ineffective, because they invested in the wrong way. My point is that there are so many clubs spunking money away on the off chance that they get in the premier league, that the chances are so low that it's not a good move to do that, both investment wise (i.e. chances of getting a return), but more because of the risk you put on the clubs future.

To which is sounds like your point is that it's okay because they "had a go"? Is that actually a real argument? You'd be happy if we spent millions that we didn't have, despite the huge risk, because at least we've had a go? That's the stupidest thing i've ever heard.
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Are you struggling to understand "Being one of only 3-4 clubs debt free.. £20m being made ready to take the club forward, and only a few hundred thousand at most being used to buy Dann and Fox, then selling them both 9 months later, remortgaging Ryton for 500k and claiming to be in massive debt, Quoting Ray Ranson" Would you call that "Having a go?"
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • May 27, 2016
  • #185
http://the72.co.uk/55270/rotherham-set-to-make-approach-for-cup-winning-manager/
 

Skyblueweeman

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  • May 27, 2016
  • #186
torchomatic said:
http://the72.co.uk/55270/rotherham-set-to-make-approach-for-cup-winning-manager/
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So according to this, TM hasn't even been interviewed?!


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stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • May 27, 2016
  • #187
Skyblueweeman said:
So according to this, TM hasn't even been interviewed?!


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Can't be right....we have the inside track, the man who knows the man in the know...

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Skyblueweeman

Well-Known Member
  • May 27, 2016
  • #188
stupot07 said:
Can't be right....we have the inside track, the man who knows the man in the know...

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He did say TM would know by the end of the week to be fair.

Oh...hang on...


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ccfclinney

Well-Known Member
  • May 27, 2016
  • #189
The reports said that they would approach Mowbray and Stubbs over the weekend so prob hear more on Monday but that don't take inside info or a source that's just internet rumours hahahah! Anyone could guess that he's in talks ... It's like me creating a thread saying baker and turner in talks deal to be done next week. In the off chance they are prob targets and it may happen then me turn round and say told you lads haha
 

singers_pore

Well-Known Member
  • May 27, 2016
  • #190
Several weeks ago I said that TM would be looking to leave the club this Summer due to interference from CA on player trading decisions. Looks like I was right after all.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2016
  • #191
chiefdave said:
IMO there needs to be huge changes in football. I just can't see how the current setup can be sustained. Until there is a setup that removes parachute payments and forces all clubs to be self sustaining football will remain in a mess with numerous clubs struggling to pay the bills.

Personally I'd have a wage cap and floor in each division and fixed squad sizes. If you get promoted and can't afford to pay the wage floor you don't go up, same as if your ground isn't up to standard.
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You miss the main issue. Football should be about the fan who attends. It isn't. The fan who buys a tv description ultimately as part of a collective, is more important.

How any football fan can honestly pay into this charade is beyond me.
 
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georgehudson

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2016
  • #192
once again us fans are in the situation whereby we know nothing about the RUFC position other thanTM & MV are under consideration, as a CCFC fan of 60 years i'd love TM & MV to stay with CCFC and oversee the push to get out of this league, what is the position of our owners ?
have, and / or are they making any attempt to secure the services of a manager & his staff, who in such a short space of time have proven their worth ?
are we, CCFC fans, to be condemned to another re-build, due to the continued inability of our owners to succeed
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 30, 2016
  • #193
bawtryneal said:
I sponsor the home kit. The clue is in the name Neal. Hodge Clemco is my company.
Pissed off about it as whilst I sponsor RUFC I am City season ticket holder.
My understanding between is TM/MV and Gary Bowyer who gets the job.
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Well looks like your understanding was clearly wrong.
 
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Wyken Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2016
  • #194
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...-set-to-leave-hibernian-to-take-rotherham-job

Shove it up your arse and smoke it Bawtry!
 
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Chipfat

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  • May 31, 2016
  • #195
Looks like the pair are off to Leeds then!!
 
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Sky Blue Kid

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  • May 31, 2016
  • #196
You clearly don't get it do you! It's not whether he is going to be manager of RUFC, it's whether any approach by either TM/MV or RUFC took place. THAT is the crux of it!
 

MatthewWallis

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2016
  • #197
Sky Blue Kid said:
You clearly don't get it do you! It's not whether he is going to be manager of RUFC, it's whether any approach by either TM/MV or RUFC took place. THAT is the crux of it!
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No interview took place, no approach was made. It was a rumour, the rumour was wrong.
 
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Chipfat

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  • May 31, 2016
  • #198
Problem is you or i will never know the truth if an interview/ meeting has took place or not, it is not in any clubs interest or positive to make statements confirming things on this matter. So if you want to believe, a poster, Anderson or RUFC its up to you as an individual to decide on the truth.

My opinion the game is under handed, crooked and about money, so time will tell us if TM wants to hang around, but if his name keeps getting to the top of shortlist of other vacancies you know that he or his agent are pushing his name around for a move. Bookies do have the inside track, not guaranteed but know more than the punters.
 
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Grendel

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  • May 31, 2016
  • #199
Chipfat said:
Problem is you or i will never know the truth if an interview/ meeting has took place or not, it is not in any clubs interest or positive to make statements confirming things on this matter. So if you want to believe, a poster, Anderson or RUFC its up to you as an individual to decide on the truth.

My opinion the game is under handed, crooked and about money, so time will tell us if TM wants to hang around, but if his name keeps getting to the top of shortlist of other vacancies you know that he or his agent are pushing his name around for a move. Bookies do have the inside track, not guaranteed but know more than the punters.
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It's clear it didn't however hard you try.

They said last week Stubbs was their man from the off. They approached twice before they were allowed to approach.

As for Bawtryneil. Let's be honest - if he's public about his use on here it's fairly obvious what has actually happened - just in case Stubbs said no - let's spread some rumours which impacts the bookmaker, which creates some noise, which puts him in the frame without having to approach at all. As for inside track bookies don't . They are influenced purely by betting patterns - Pressley was a bookies favourite was he not?
 

Skyblueweeman

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2016
  • #200
Sky Blue Kid said:
@ Torchy and friends...... If this is true, I've only got three words to say to you...."Face..Egg..On".. (Rearrange)
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Well this could get awkward....


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Nick

Administrator
  • May 31, 2016
  • #201
It could be genius if he had bet on Stubbs
 
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ccfc92

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2016
  • #202
Sky Blue Kid said:
You clearly don't get it do you! It's not whether he is going to be manager of RUFC, it's whether any approach by either TM/MV or RUFC took place. THAT is the crux of it!
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Who cares. As long as this season we finish in at least the top 6 and/or a jpt win at Wembley, then I'll be happy.

I'm sure TM is commited to the cause while he's here.
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2016
  • #203
Skyblueweeman said:
Well this could get awkward....


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Why would that be? I think the important words in the sentence are..."If this is true,"...... Words and twist come to mind SBWM
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2016
  • #204
ccfc92 said:
Who cares. As long as this season we finish in at least the top 6 and/or a jpt win at Wembley, then I'll be happy.

I'm sure TM is commited to the cause while he's here.
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If everyone's going to have a go.... I will too. That's a fact is it? Where's your proof? Has he told you personally? Did he tuck you up in bed, give you a kiss on the forehead and whisper in your ear, "Don't worry ccfc92, I promise I'll stay manager at CCFC and stay committed to the cause.
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2016
  • #205
Pack mentality by a large section of you lot. Bawtryneal has given you a "Heads up" and all you've done is rip him a new one. It took me years of shit from a lot of you, but finally had satisfaction when Mr "Estimated Fact" owned up..Isn't that right Grenduffy?
 

ccfc92

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2016
  • #206
Sky Blue Kid said:
If everyone's going to have a go.... I will too. That's a fact is it? Where's your proof? Has he told you personally? Did he tuck you up in bed, give you a kiss on the forehead and whisper in your ear, "Don't worry ccfc92, I promise I'll stay manager at CCFC and stay committed to the cause.
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I'm not having a go you gobshite

Just saying, if he's here when we kick of the new season, let's just enjoy the season and see if he can deliver this time around.

As much as you're saying he's off etc, there's no point worrying either way. He'll go if he wants. Just like players over the years, enjoy them whilst they're here, but don't expect them to stay.
 
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bawtryneal

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2016
  • #207
Grendel said:
It's clear it didn't however hard you try.

They said last week Stubbs was their man from the off. They approached twice before they were allowed to approach.

As for Bawtryneil. Let's be honest - if he's public about his use on here it's fairly obvious what has actually happened - just in case Stubbs said no - let's spread some rumours which impacts the bookmaker, which creates some noise, which puts him in the frame without having to approach at all. As for inside track bookies don't . They are influenced purely by betting patterns - Pressley was a bookies favourite was he not?
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Dear Grendel
I hope you are enjoying yourself with all your aggresion and smart arse comments
I would welcome the opportunity to discuss with you the facts around this TM/ RUFC saga. On what basis are you such an expert on all things CCFC,football, how managers are recruited, agents etc etc.
Pray tell.
Best regards
BawtryNeal
 
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torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2016
  • #208
Sky Blue Kid said:
@ Torchy and friends...... If this is true, I've only got three words to say to you...."Face..Egg..On".. (Rearrange)
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36421985

"Again...I...Oops..It...Did" (Rearrange)
 
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hill83

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2016
  • #209
Is there enough eggs to go around skybluekid, you are covered in them from 97%* of your posts. (If this is true and Mowbray is staying. That's me saved)

*estimated number

And as for 'getting shit' or whatever you said, you reap what you sow.
 
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Otis

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  • May 31, 2016
  • #210
Not taking sides here, but could it be that TM had an informal interview, but not an official one?

Quite often the truth is somewhere in between two polarised sides.
 
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