I don't recall any, Singers_pore. Can you quote a few?
Nothing in it.... a throw away comment not aimed at anyone. If it was I'd have addressed you in it.
If he'd of stayed we'd still be in the same situation now, he knew it and said it weekly in his interviews.
We live we learn... that's football. Managers are tasked with managing teams, some work some don't, some have to deal with the previous persons regime, and the previous have to work with there previous regimes players.... a continuing cycle that rarely brings success. Some times it does... at some point you gotta stick to go forwards if it means a short term step back.
You're exaggerating how good the squad was I think. It was very strong when we were top but weakened significantly when Turner went back and when Kent did. Despite the enormous talent of Murphy and Armstrong, it was pretty ordinary otherwise including Fleck.
So what's that got to do with Mowbray going after players above our level that didn't pay off?
Has the small investment brought better quality in Turnbull or Jones? (Those 2 players he paid fees for)
This is the problem with our fans, no real understanding but sit at home and cry NOPM.
your getting moronic now nick if you don't go after better quality players you don't improve do you?
if the owners won't invest in higher wages for the better players and your powers of persuasion don't
work your up the creek with mediocre or even worse to pick from.speculate to accumulate works
if not pushed too far.our shit owners your beloved SISU don't push at all lack of investment
is killing us so yes NOPM
yspeculate to accumulate
Am saying that the rug was pulled out from beneath him. Hence the Ramage, Hunt and Henderson signings. We clearly need fresh bods in, as the youngsters we had were never going to last the full season, and thats the level where he had to be at. The actual things going on behind the scenes were laughable.That doesn't reflect in his decision not to seek compensation. Are you suggesting that he didn't have the tools to do his job?
i think this is what people are missing. the guy tried to build a squad to WIN the league. and it didnt pay off, targets went elsewhere,some cos of sisu wages no doubt and some because got offers higher up.
i prefer shooting for the stars myself but some fans prefer safety and thats understandable i guess. i imagine thats the common factor in those that liked mowbray and those that dont actually.
The actual things going on behind the scenes were laughable.
Centre backs was his were his No.1 priority and am led to believe he was let down by a number of them at a very late stage, with some even being in the building to sign. Would have been the building blocks, of the team to more established signings i think. A player that left before the season started 100% wanted to go and instigated the move as he was offered an awful lot more money, big let down!How is it moronic, because I can understand that we can't compete on wages with Championship teams? Have you seen the difference in an average Championship and League 1 wage?
Beloved? Have a word with yourself. You are just showing your ignorance and that you clearly don't have a clue, it's all well and good saying "we need the wages to buy this championship player".
More irony from somebody who loves to cry NOPM and makes a point about them not going trying to talk about investment.
1. When rumors started going around about JM being sold, TM said he didn't think JM should be sold but that he doesn't have control over player trading decisions.
2. When players came in TM said it was like "flipping a coin" suggesting that he didn't think the player trading strategy was well planned or something that he had any real control over.
There is nothing wrong with shooting for the stars, but there needs to be a plan B that is just below the star, a plan C just below that.
I dont really want to go into specifics because it would betray the person that told me, it was a between me and you convo. But things you wouldnt even imagine. I know the season petered out and some of his selections and subs were bemusing but i honestly cant believe he stayed as long as he did. I would have quit a long time before.What were they?
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your getting moronic now nick if you don't go after better quality players you don't improve do you?
if the owners won't invest in higher wages for the better players and your powers of persuasion don't
work your up the creek with mediocre or even worse to pick from.speculate to accumulate works
if not pushed too far.our shit owners your beloved SISU don't push at all lack of investment
is killing us so yes NOPM
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How is it moronic, because I can understand that we can't compete on wages with Championship teams? Have you seen the difference in an average Championship and League 1 wage?
Beloved? Have a word with yourself. You are just showing your ignorance and that you clearly don't have a clue, it's all well and good saying "we need the wages to buy this championship player".
More irony from somebody who loves to cry NOPM and makes a point about them not going trying to talk about investment.
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Look who is talking about ignorance!!! I've said it to you till I'm "Blue in the face" READ what people are saying!!!
Irony coming from a Sixfielder that couldn't give a toss as long as any protest doesn't interfere with him watching football apparently at any level.
What am I reading? Somebody who doesn't go to games moaning about investment?
SHOCK! Person who goes to football match doesn't want to see the match ruined and the result potentially hampered.
Of course I give a fuck, just because I would support ccfc in league 2 or the premier league what's your point? I'd love to be in the champions league or championship but we aren't. Should i just sit at home and not bother once it's below a certain level then?1) Somebody who doesn't go to games because owners don't give a fuck about the Football Club, and won't invest properly. (Speculate to accumulate)
2) You to a "T". You don't give a fuck what division CCFC are playing in. You never show, on this forum, any passion against the owners.
i get what you mean, but at same time if no one challenges sisu cov will be non league at some point. is that where want club to be for future generations? will it just be a case of supporting ccfc in non league same as supporting in prem then?
we need change. if sisu can make that change then great, but its been a decade of destruction so far. maybe they need to be pushed if they wont walk. sooner or later ST sales are gonna get to them?
by me getting a ST they know that success will be rewarded. if we do well from now on i deserve the praise
How is it moronic, because I can understand that we can't compete on wages with Championship teams? Have you seen the difference in an average Championship and League 1 wage?
Beloved? Have a word with yourself. You are just showing your ignorance and that you clearly don't have a clue, it's all well and good saying "we need the wages to buy this championship player".
More irony from somebody who loves to cry NOPM and makes a point about them not going trying to talk about investment.
where have I mentioned championship teams nick don't put words into my mouth I can do that myself I only mentioned better quality players
they would want more money than the journeymen we have now
Of course I give a fuck, just because I would support ccfc in league 2 or the premier league what's your point? I'd love to be in the champions league or championship but we aren't. Should i just sit at home and not bother once it's below a certain level then?
Yes, somebody who shouts about nopm and not going to games moans about investment, I'm sure you can see the irony.
I don't go because of the owners, I have said I'd go if Wasps bought us or the council did as long as we were CCFC.
Just because I point out that singing a song or throwing a tennis ball is pointless and people don't like it, it doesn't mean I wouldn't want a rich arab prince to come in and donate millions to get us nicely to the premier league etc.
Giving it beans about NOPM isn't challenging SISU, as it's been pointed out over and over again. Surely there's more chance of being non league with NOPM in place, if the the idea is to not give any money to CCFC?
ST sales boycotts will get to the playing budget.
your opinion unfortunately some disagree with you
I'm not putting words in your mouth, the players Mowbray missed out on went to Championship teams. That's why he admitted saying he set his targets too high.
What about players like Reid who will be on a decent whack for League 1?
Which bit?
You mean you can't see the irony about refusing to go to games or give CCFC money and then moaning about a lower wage budget?
I'm sure the likes of fleck would have stayed with the right players of l1 standard coming in don't say he was crap
ask Sheffield Utd
I'm sure the likes of fleck would have stayed with the right players of l1 standard coming in don't say he was crap
ask Sheffield Utd
no because like others I'm genuine in my belief we are being short changed in the investment dept
I'm not putting words in your mouth, the players Mowbray missed out on went to Championship teams. That's why he admitted saying he set his targets too high.
What about players like Reid who will be on a decent whack for League 1?
Ignore that Fleck got a significant pay rise, and sorry, he played here for 4 seasons so CCFC fans (the ones who go) are very well placed to say how good he is, more so than Sheffield United fans are.
he's doing very well there is he not he did well for us and yes as a team his skill is missed
we didn't replace him
Which bit?
You mean you can't see the irony about refusing to go to games or give CCFC money and then moaning about a lower wage budget?
Yep, seems like Gadhzev was supposed to be the ideal replacement for Fleck.Mowbray replaced him with Gadzev before last season had even finished. Then also Bigi.
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