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Mowbray, Go or Stay? (1 Viewer)

  • Thread starter ccfc92
  • Start date Sep 17, 2016
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Mowbray, Go or Stay?

  • Go

    Votes: 38 27.9%
  • Stay

    Votes: 98 72.1%

  • Total voters
    136
  • Poll closed Apr 17, 2017.
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ccfchoi87

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  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #106
Ccfc1979 said:
My view is that each recent manager ends up on a cycle to disaster and as we have been told...you never quit at the bottom of a cycle. Think it's blind hope that as he is 'experienced' he will be able to turn it around in the end.
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Our two relegations in recent times have come from sticking with a manager who is clearly failing, I fear it will be the same unless we sack Mowbray. If we hadn't have sacked Pressley we would have gone down that year too.
 
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peeler

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #107
Ccfc1979 said:
My view is that each recent manager ends up on a cycle to disaster and as we have been told...you never quit at the bottom of a cycle. Think it's blind hope that as he is 'experienced' he will be able to turn it around in the end.
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He's not going to quit anyway, he'll wait for the sack & compensation. It's all about money.

And I may add that money will come out of the playing budget, making less for the next manager to spend in January
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #108
ccfc92 said:
It will, won't it?

It's always the managers fault right?
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Almost as if you are making stuff up again
 
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Steve.B50

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #109
We cannot afford a new manager, everything we do is done on the cheap.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #110
Steve.B50 said:
We cannot afford a new manager, everything we do is done on the cheap.
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Wasn't that said before mowbray?
 
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Osullivan18

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #111
I would give him the next two games and go from there.
I was genuinely excited by TM and last seasons start I truly thought we could be turning it around.
He has made a lot of decisions since that point that I just cannot get my head around, these are not decisions that Sisu have made, but TM decisions.
I love the whole "sacking managers hasn't worked in the past" argument. While I would love stability, he isn't providing that, no wins in 8 league matches is somehow the owners fault?
They didn't make Tudgay miss, they didn't select the team, they didn't make the changes.
 
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peeler

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #112
Steve.B50 said:
We cannot afford a new manager, everything we do is done on the cheap.
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Then we should promote from within.
Maybe Anderson should give it a go, after all he doesn't appear to be doing much else these days.
 

Terry Gibson's perm

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #113
Anderson must be on dodgy ground now, the increase in prices has been another of his failures he is another disaster appointment probably best he went back to writing books.
 
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Osullivan18

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #114
Terry Gibson's perm said:
Anderson must be on dodgy ground now, the increase in prices has been another of his failures he is another disaster appointment probably best he went back to writing books.
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Yeah I don't understand what he actually does at the club?!

Other than refuse meetings of course
 
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peeler

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #115
Osullivan18 said:
Yeah I don't understand what he actually does at the club?!

Other than refuse meetings of course
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He probably draws a very handsome pay packet, thank you very much
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #116
Steve.B50 said:
We cannot afford a new manager, everything we do is done on the cheap.
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Signing Mowbray, clapham and Venus as well as paying off Pressley and McFarland was anything but cheap.
 
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trevelfarandwide

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #117
Anderson is a strange one, indeed, on many levels - his purpose and role at the club seem almost superficial.

As for TM, can someone fill me in on how much hands-on training he has with his players? A rough estimate will do, since I assume he still does not live locally?
 

Wyken Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #118
ccfc92 said:
That figures.

No, it's all on Facebook.
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So a few people on one website and that's all over the Internet then?

I've got Facebook, can you post links of where people have called this place SISU Talk? I'm sure there's hundreds of fans that have said it.

Sent from my E5823 using Tapatalk
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #119
Anyone would think we're the only team that sacks managers. Mowbray and Pressley have both outlived the average life span of a football manager, which is around 15 months.

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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #120
No one knows Anderson role. He certainly won't be meddling in transfers.

He can't actually be any worse than that idiot Waggot anyway.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #121
stupot07 said:
Anyone would think we're the only team that sacks managers. Mowbray and Pressley have both outlived the average life span of a football manager, which is around 15 months.

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Spot on. Sisu are easy owners for management. Coleman and thorn as well.
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #122
Grendel said:
No one knows Anderson role. He certainly won't be meddling in transfers.

He can't actually be any worse than that idiot Waggot anyway.
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Not really a strong selling point though better than the last idiot
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #123
Osullivan18 said:
Yeah I don't understand what he actually does at the club?!

Other than refuse meetings of course
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Yes. The new CCFC advert for a position as a director seems to cover most jobs not filled by the other directors - technical and commercial. If that post gets filled then all "work" is covered.

Leaves only "mouthpiece" as a function. Top decisions will be vetted by Tim anyway.

So, could we not drop him and go back to Tim being in charge of running the club with the other directors reporting to him?

I am in the Mowbray "remain" camp - together with Venus of course. Despite the run of bad form, just changing the manager won't solve the club's problems. The mistakes have been made and now we are sitting there with little money available and an insecure future.

Mowbray going will cost us compensation. The new manager will try and build the team he wants at some stage - only to find out that he doesn't get the players he is after or to keep the ones he has. We would be exactly where we are now in 2 years time - based on our past record with managers. No reason to think it will be better this time round.

I say bite the bullet and stick with Mowbray whatever happens form wise. We have to break the merry go round of managers. Mowbray is certainly not the worst we have had and we have to live with our situation - as depressive as it may be.
 
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ecky

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #124
It doesn't seem to matter who the manager is at CCFC they all inevitably fail for some strange reason
There is something rotten in the core of the club for the abject failure and decline of the club over the last 20 years
 
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skybluebeduff

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #125
Mowbray now has the title of bringing us to our lowest position since 1959.
 

Terry Gibson's perm

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #126
ecky said:
It doesn't seem to matter who the manager is at CCFC they all inevitably fail for some strange reason
There is something rotten in the core of the club for the abject failure and decline of the club over the last 20 years
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It's a bit longer than 20 years
 
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Bristol sky blue

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #127
Agree with Otis. Give him a bit more time.

Mowbray said he'd only start looking at the table seriously after a dozen games, so that gives him 4 more games for us to show signs of improvement (that means a couple of wins, not creditable draws).

I reckon we have got players who are unlucky not to be in the starting X1 at the moment - I'd bring in Haynes for Page, Stevenson for Ghadzhev, Spence for Reid, Wright for Tudgay (and possibly Rose for Sterry if he's fit enough).

2 biggest concerns - 1) lack of runners into the box (maybe we lack final product because there's usually only one fucker to cross or pass the ball to in the box!)
2) Mowbray's defeatist attitude of 'we didn't get the players we needed in summer' being repeated post-match. If he lacks faith in the players he's got, he won't inspire them to performances they're capable of.
 

chinamans view

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #128
My View is TM and MV have made big mistakes this summer on recruitment may be more MV fault than TM, waited to long for answers from some players then paniced trying to put a side together last minute and it shows but i would give TM until Christmas time to see if he can change things round and move us up the table, however he needs to get a settled side and stop trying to pretend we have a squad as big as Chelsea he tries to keep everyone happy
insted of selecting the best team and sticking with it.
 

peeler

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #129
Terry Gibson's perm said:
It's a bit longer than 20 years
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I'd say about 24 years. The beginning of the premier league and sky sponsorship.

It ruined football for clubs like CCFC
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #130
stupot07 said:
Anyone would think we're the only team that sacks managers. Mowbray and Pressley have both outlived the average life span of a football manager, which is around 15 months.

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The short termism is generally why teams fail though.

Worth noting that small teams who get their managers poached, such as Burton, end up appointing from a position of strength too. The choice doesn't deviate from the long term aims of club progression as a result. We chop and change what's most important, usually based on looking for the opposite of yesterday's failure.
 
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Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #131
Skyblueweeman said:
The quotes are all screwed up!


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Not for me, don't you use the reply button that works,
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #132
Grendel said:
No one knows Anderson role. He certainly won't be meddling in transfers.

He can't actually be any worse than that idiot Waggot anyway.
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If no one knows Andersons role how do you know he's not meddling in transfers? Or any of the first team decision's for that matter? The teams slump does happen to coincide with his arrival.
 
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stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #133
Deleted member 5849 said:
The short termism is generally why teams fail though.

Worth noting that small teams who get their managers poached, such as Burton, end up appointing from a position of strength too. The choice doesn't deviate from the long term aims of club progression as a result. We chop and change what's most important, usually based on looking for the opposite of yesterday's failure.
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Whilst I agree with the ideology of that. How many managers from teams like Burton went on a run like this:

League in 2016:

P30 W7 D7 L16 F29 A33 Pts 28 Ppg 0.93 Win% 23%

I can't remember the last time Burton for example had a really poor season, which would out the board under pressure to sack. I think even Paul Tisdale dodged a bullet as it was widely accepted they had been punching way above their weight.

We know the club is rotten to the core, but a lot of what is wrong this season is down to mowbrays recruitment, tactics, system, subs, etc. I really good it turns around, but I can't see anything but a relegation dogfight this season.

You've also got the fact his contract rubs out in the summer, is he going to renew?

Its hard, if this was Pressley, thorn or another lower league manger the pressure would be on, but because hes a "name" mowbray gets a bit of a free pass.

I don't know what the answer is, but if we were to sack him there would be a large queue of managers lining up to take over.

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Warwickhunt

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #134
The problem lays at the managers doorstep! On Saturday the first half although was not great it was adequate and Oldham were struggling to hold us back then come the break he did a change! Why did he take Gadshev off for ? If he was injured fair enough then why did he bring Lameries on? It should have been Stephenson! Oldham were piling through the middle at us in the first 10 minutes because of the hole created by his bloody substitution we only started to gain the upper hand when Stephenson did come on after 20 mind into the second half. It's the manager! He does not allow the side to settle
 
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Warwickhunt

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #135
He will do wholesale changes for the next game!!!
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #136
Warwickhunt said:
He will do wholesale changes for the next game!!!
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He does for most games anyway doesn't he?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #137
stupot07 said:
Its hard, if this was Pressley, thorn or another lower league manger the pressure would be on, but because hes a "name" mowbray gets a bit of a free pass.
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I don't see any less pressure now than was on Pressley, tbh... and I wouldn't have sacked Pressley either.

In fact, I'd have been more disposed to keep Pressley, as there was (at least verbally!) an obvious strategy of bringing youth and first teams together, so the club could have some natural progression. If that was the preferred SISU strategy, when Pressley went we should have been looking for a similar type of manager to replace.

And that's the problem... when did we last decide to look at what type of manager fits our club and its aims best other than Pressley and, arguably, Robins? (the need then was for someone to inspire to promotion, I'd suggest and, well... he did alright even if the wheels came off a bit towards the end... with off-field distractions, it's worth noting)
 
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percy

Member
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #138
go
i think he's lost the dressing room
 

Terry Gibson's perm

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #139
percy said:
go
i think he's lost the dressing room
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Thank you it took a while but somebody had to say it
 

letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2016
  • #140
Grendel said:
No one knows Anderson role. He certainly won't be meddling in transfers.

He can't actually be any worse than that idiot Waggot anyway.
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He is well out of his depth here.
He will be gone sooner then you think funny he wasn't at the game yesterday.
Who will be the next one to take over?
I feel anothr 12 months of spin from any new CO or whatever his title is.
Bit like the managers role.
Keep feeding them bullshit keep saying how things have changed, but carry on doing the same.
We really are fucked .
 
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