Mowbray and the Acadamy (1 Viewer)

Grendel · Sep 4, 2016

There is a lot of talk about saving the academy but I wonder if Mowbray values it.

I suspect he and Venus have little faith in what it is producing and believe they are better at identified young players from other clubs and developing them.

I would say they probably think the money can best be deployed in youth recruitment. This probably is why we are looking at recruiting so much youth.

Its just a view but I suspect they think the whole thing is a vanity project and a waste of money and part of their long term plan is to show it's just not needed.

skybluetony176 · Sep 4, 2016

And the Mowbray / Venus smear campaign begins.

ConnorDevine · Sep 4, 2016

Sounds like you've had a really dull Sunday.

And for the record I completely disagree

ccfchoi87 · Sep 4, 2016

Good point, Mowbray keeps showing he much prefers the kids from premier league teams than our own eg) DKE, Haynes, Stevenson and Thomas

Martin180 · Sep 4, 2016

Grendel has a new target after Bigi has started to make him look like a prize twat

ccfclinney · Sep 4, 2016

You serious .. The money the accademy has made over the last few years .. Bigi, Wilson, madders, sambou .. plus producing Willis Stevenson Harries

bawtryneal · Sep 4, 2016

I would suggest that is total bollox. The sale of Maddison and Wilson have funded the whole recruitment campaign the last 2 years.

singers_pore · Sep 4, 2016

Drivel

Grendel · Sep 4, 2016

skybluetony176 said:
And the Mowbray / Venus smear campaign begins.

No - I don't necessarily see the value of it either.

I suspect very few league one clubs have one of this size and I suspect they are not exactly envious - many teams still have young players play for them without such an expensive solution.

steve82 · Sep 4, 2016

Bit of a crazy thread... Because we're loaning in premier league youth players and picking them ahead of our own in a few games he don't rate it or value it?? Crazy.
If Harries is dropped for the next game we should close the academy immediately!!
Why were on the subject let's petition for arsenal to do the same as they produced RCC!

Grendel · Sep 4, 2016

bawtryneal said:
I would suggest that is total bollox. The sale of Maddison and Wilson have funded the whole recruitment campaign the last 2 years.

The Maddison money will not be used on a single signing - the Wilson money covered some losses that season and the subsequent season.

Grendel · Sep 4, 2016

steve82 said:
Bit of a crazy thread... Because we're loaning in premier league youth players and picking them ahead of our own in a few games he don't rate it or value it?? Crazy.
If Harries is dropped for the next game we should close the academy immediately!!
Why were on the subject let's petition for arsenal to do the same as they produced RCC!

Arsenal are a premier league club.

skybluetony176 · Sep 4, 2016

Grendel said:
The Maddison money will not be used on a single signing - the Wilson money covered some losses that season and the subsequent season.

Ah. I see. You're saying that they don't value it because SISU won't reinvested any profit from it back into the playing squad. Got ya.

Kingokings204 · Sep 4, 2016

Fair enough if it's your opinion Grendel but the academy is wanted and why not? It's brings in massive income as shown and it has been a big song and dance about keeping it for a reason.

We came back there pretty sharpish when we left last time.

steve82 · Sep 4, 2016

Grendel said:
Arsenal are a premier league club.

What's that matter? Is there academy bearing fruit?

oucho · Sep 4, 2016

If TM didn't value the academy, why would we be picking so many academy graduates at the moment e.g. DKE x 2, Harries, Finch, Stevenson etc....I know it's a case of needs must, but if TM is happy for the academy to close, where does he think we'd pick up the equivalent batch of youngsters to make up the numbers?

Grendel · Sep 4, 2016

Kingokings204 said:
Fair enough if it's your opinion Grendel but the academy is wanted and why not? It's brings in massive income as shown and it has been a big song and dance about keeping it for a reason.

We came back there pretty sharpish when we left last time.

I'm saying from the managers perspective. It's a long term development operation but if recruits such as jones and turnball work then they could easily bring a similar return.

Grendel · Sep 4, 2016

oucho said:
If TM didn't value the academy, why would we be picking so many academy graduates at the moment e.g. DKE x 2, Harries, Finch, Stevenson etc....I know it's a case of needs must, but if TM is happy for the academy to close, where does he think we'd pick up the equivalent batch of youngsters to make up the numbers?

Clubs do have young players they don't have the same category as us I would suggest.

steve82 · Sep 4, 2016

Grendel said:
Clubs do have young players they don't have the same category as us I would suggest.

Most premier league clubs if not all are cat 1 were car 2 I believe, but that reflects our status and level too.

Grendel · Sep 4, 2016

steve82 said:
Most premier league clubs if not all are cat 1 were car 2 I believe, but that reflects our status and level too.

I suspect very few league one clubs have Cat 2 status operation.

Hobo · Sep 4, 2016

Harries, DKE, Stephenson, Lawton, Haynes and Thomas all figuring and yes he is targeting youth from other clubs.....because that is how you build long term for the future.

Grendel you talk absolute shit. Where is your evidence Mowbray and Venus do not value our academy?

Grendel · Sep 4, 2016

Hobo said:
Harries, DKE, Stephenson, Lawton, Haynes and Thomas all figuring and yes he is targeting youth from other clubs.....because that is how you build long term for the future.

Grendel you talk absolute shit. Where is your evidence Mowbray and Venus do not value our academy?

Emotional.

Hobo · Sep 4, 2016

Grendel said:
Emotional.

Thought so, no evidence to offer. Please don't get emotional

skybluetony176 · Sep 4, 2016

Grendel said:
Emotional.

I'm sure you are but what are you basing your suspicion that "Mowbray and Venus have little faith in what it is producing and believe they are better at identified young players from other clubs and developing them" on?

Grendel · Sep 4, 2016

Hobo said:
Thought so, no evidence to offer. Please don't get emotional

I said there is no evidence. Also I don't see it as negative if it were.

I'm of the view it may not be wholly required.

skybluetony176 · Sep 4, 2016

Grendel said:
I said there is no evidence. Also I don't see it as negative if it were.

I'm of the view it may not be wholly required.

So Wasps are doing us a favour then by redeveloping the AEHC?

Hobo · Sep 4, 2016

Grendel said:
I'm saying from the managers perspective. It's a long term development operation but if recruits such as jones and turnball work then they could easily bring a similar return.

Both sit side by side I would suggest. Where would we be without the cash injection from Bigi, Christie, Wilson and Maddison. Plus we still have a crop who could prove useful at League 1 and Championship level. You have to source the next crop whether that is from within or from outside the club.

Grendel · Sep 4, 2016

skybluetony176 said:
I'm sure you are but what are you basing your suspicion that "Mowbray and Venus have little faith in what it is producing and believe they are better at identified young players from other clubs and developing them" on?

Well - he's signed 2 players on long deals that I suspect will be identified to sell for profit at some point.

Given a choice he seems to prefer youth players from other clubs than the present players that have come through as well.

Seems a lot of emotion about the academy but in reality it may not be required in the structure it currently is.

skybluetony176 · Sep 4, 2016

Grendel said:
I said there is no evidence. Also I don't see it as negative if it were.

I'm of the view it may not be wholly required.

Plus. If there I no evidence your suspicions are based on nothing by your own admission.

Grendull in making things up shocker.

skybluetony176 · Sep 4, 2016

Grendel said:
Well - he's signed 2 players on long deals that I suspect will be identified to sell for profit at some point.

Given a choice he seems to prefer youth players from other clubs than the present players that have come through as well.

Seems a lot of emotion about the academy but in reality it may not be required in the structure it currently is.

Manager signs two players on long deal shocker, what is the football world coming too.

Is that it? It that really what you're basing this on? Isn't that just a manager doing his job? Identifying prospects and signing them?

Grendel · Sep 4, 2016

skybluetony176 said:
Plus. If there I no evidence your suspicions are based on nothing by your own admission.

Grendull in making things up shocker.

I said "it is just a view" so it's not making anything up - I think it's less a priority to a management team focused on short term goals.

It's not a dig at the manager. He's doing his own digging at the moment

Grendel · Sep 4, 2016

skybluetony176 said:
Manager signs two players on long deal shocker, what is the football world coming too.

Is that it? It that really what you're basing this on? Isn't that just a manager doing his job? Identifying prospects and signing them?

They are the first long contracts since when?

rybccfc · Sep 4, 2016

Ahhhh grendel has gone fishing again!

singers_pore · Sep 4, 2016

Grendel said:
I'm of the view it may not be wholly required.

So you think the academy should be closed down and yet your posting history is full of bile aimed at Higgs/CCC/wasps because you allege that they have been trying to close down the academy. Are you a schizophrenic? Keep taking the meds.

Captain Dart · Sep 4, 2016

singers_pore said:
So you think the academy should be closed down and yet your posting history is full of bile aimed at Higgs/CCC/wasps because you allege that they have been trying to close down the academy. Are you a schizophrenic? Keep taking the meds.

Just following the briefing his BFF Timmy gave him.

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