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Nick

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  • Sep 29, 2022
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Just double checked how long mine was fixed for, it says:

After 30 April 2023, Newcastle Building Society's Standard Variable Rate, currently 3.96%, will apply for the remaining term of the loan.
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I'm assuming it won't be 3.96% and will be whatever it is on the 30th April rather than what it was then when I took it out?
 
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chiefdave

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #2
Nick said:
Just double checked how long mine was fixed for, it says:



I'm assuming it won't be 3.96% and will be whatever it is on the 30th April rather than what it was then when I took it out?
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yep, you move onto variable rate so you're in for a big jump unless they get things under control
 
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chiefdave

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #3
put your figures in here and mess around with the interest rate and you can see what your payments might be
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/mortgages/mortgage-rate-calculator/
 

Nick

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #4
I can't seem to find what it is as of today though
 
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Ccfcsj

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  • Sep 29, 2022
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Unfortunately my fixed rate comes to an end tomorrow. The CBS have told me my mortgage will go up by about £150 a month. Because of this I asked my mortgage adviser to shop around for me and as a result I move to a new provider from Monday with a lower monthly payment. It's definitely worth shopping around
 
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Nick

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  • Sep 29, 2022
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Ccfcsj said:
Unfortunately my fixed rate comes to an end tomorrow. The CBS have told me my mortgage will go up by about £150 a month. Because of this I asked my mortgage adviser to shop around for me and as a result I move to a new provider from Monday with a lower monthly payment. It's definitely worth shopping around
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Is that another fixed? What sort of interest rates are you getting? Sorry to be nosey!
 
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Ccfcsj

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #7
Nick said:
Is that another fixed? What sort of interest rates are you getting? Sorry to be nosey!
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Getting a fixed actually proved to be more expensive as they are making them high due to the interest rates instability. It's a tracker (1% above base rate)
 
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Nick

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #8
Ccfcsj said:
Getting a fixed actually proved to be more expensive as they are making them high due to the interest rates instability. It's a tracker (1% above base rate)
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Won't that mean that if it jumps up massively it could double etc?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #9
Nick said:
Just double checked how long mine was fixed for, it says:



I'm assuming it won't be 3.96% and will be whatever it is on the 30th April rather than what it was then when I took it out?
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Yes, that's only illustrative. Their SVR is currently 4.91%
 
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Nick

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  • Sep 29, 2022
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fernandopartridge said:
Yes, that's only illustrative. Their SVR is currently 4.91%
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Another £100 a month at the moment

There are going to be a lot of houses reposessed.
 
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SBAndy

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  • Sep 29, 2022
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Nick said:
Won't that mean that if it jumps up massively it could double etc?
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Yes.
 
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Ccfcsj

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #12
Nick said:
Won't that mean that if it jumps up massively it could double etc?
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That's always the risk yes. On the flip side though, if by some miracle it drops so will my repayments. Also, I can switch at any time without penalty if a better offer becomes available whereas, if I went for a fixed and a better offer came up, I would need to pay an early repayment fee which can be quite high
 
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Nick

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #13
Ccfcsj said:
That's always the risk yes. On the flip side though, if by some miracle it drops so will my repayments. Also, I can switch at any time without penalty if a better offer becomes available whereas, if I went for a fixed and a better offer came up, I would need to pay an early repayment fee which can be quite high
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Yeah, not sure I'd have the bottle in case I wake up one month and my mortgage has doubled.
 
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Grendel

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  • Sep 29, 2022
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Ccfcsj said:
Getting a fixed actually proved to be more expensive as they are making them high due to the interest rates instability. It's a tracker (1% above base rate)
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I depends what the base rate forecast becomes so it could if forecasts are correct then be at 7% on a tracker
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #15
I must admit I struggle a bit with why a mortgage that a bank or building society has already granted should be subject to any changes in interest over its life. Why is this passed down to the borrower when it isn't our issue?
 
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Grendel

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #16
You need to also check redemption penalties and any costs if you change provider which can be expensive
 
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Nick

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #17
fernandopartridge said:
I must admit I struggle a bit with why a mortgage that a bank or building society has already granted should be subject to any changes in interest over its life. Why is this passed down to the borrower when it isn't our issue?
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I wonder how many people who fix then just carry on with payments after it is no longer fixed and don't think anything of it? Bit like car insurance I guess where people just keep the direct debit going.

It's a piss take really and will see a lot of people homeless overnight. My wage isn't going to go up by such a jump to cover it the bills and mortgage increases

Wish I had fixed for longer now!
 
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Ccfcsj

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #18
I read something the other day which is apt:

"I'm not worried if I can heat my house this winter; I'm worried if I'll have a house to heat"
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 29, 2022
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fernandopartridge said:
I must admit I struggle a bit with why a mortgage that a bank or building society has already granted should be subject to any changes in interest over its life. Why is this passed down to the borrower when it isn't our issue?
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Yeah I don’t get this. Surely they borrowed the money at the base rate when I took the mortgage out?
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 29, 2022
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shmmeee said:
Yeah I don’t get this. Surely they borrowed the money at the base rate when I took the mortgage out?
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It's obviously some risk sharing thing they do across the mortgage book but like everything is stacked against the consumer
 

rob9872

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21
Could be some great value repossessions available thus time next year
 

Nick

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  • Sep 29, 2022
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rob9872 said:
Could be some great value repossessions available thus time next year
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There is that.
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Sep 29, 2022
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fernandopartridge said:
I must admit I struggle a bit with why a mortgage that a bank or building society has already granted should be subject to any changes in interest over its life. Why is this passed down to the borrower when it isn't our issue?
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i think it is because the bank/BS has borrowed that money from someone else at something above the BoE base rate. If the rate goes up, they need to pass those increases on to you, as they have to pay it back too. That is why a fixed-rate mortgage is always sold at a higher rate the longer it lasts for - it is to counteract the risk of rates increasing.
I am 7 years in to a 10 year fix at 3.24%, so have been paying over the odds for most of that time, but will be paying distinctly under the odds for the remaining 3 years, if forecasts are to be believed. I will then have to pay it off or go onto another deal or SVR.
 
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shepardo01

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #24
Our deal - fixed rate - up in Dec...
Just had call with broker - looking at going from paying 850 to 1300 per month over a further extended period!...on the best deal WHAT THE F**K!!??
 
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SAJ

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  • Sep 29, 2022
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shepardo01 said:
Our deal - fixed rate - up in Dec...
Just had call with broker - looking at going from paying 850 to 1300 per month over a further extended period!...on the best deal WHAT THE F**K!!??
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Let’s hope we don’t go back to the 1980’s rates then 15% mortgages will make yours eyes water.
 
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shepardo01

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  • Sep 29, 2022
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SAJ said:
Let’s hope we don’t go back to the 1980’s rates then 15% mortgages will make yours eyes water.
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It's a worry.. ...
Is there any way I can put myself into administration.....!?... and still come out with my belongings and house!?...
Anybody got Derek Richardson's email address??
 
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ovduk78

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #27
Nick said:
Another £100 a month at the moment

There are going to be a lot of houses reposessed.
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You need to speak to a broker ASAP as I think you can exit your current deal when it has 6 months remaining & the way things are going it could be even worse in April.
 

robbiekeane

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #28
fernandopartridge said:
I must admit I struggle a bit with why a mortgage that a bank or building society has already granted should be subject to any changes in interest over its life. Why is this passed down to the borrower when it isn't our issue?
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shmmeee said:
Yeah I don’t get this. Surely they borrowed the money at the base rate when I took the mortgage out?
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Because the cost of borrowing money has gone up. You’re essentially just paying a risk premium on top of the banks estimate of what the cost of borrowing money will be to them over the life of the fixed term. Hence the longer the fixed term the higher the % rate. It’s risk management

You can totally get products that are fixed rates for the life of the mortgage - in fact these types of products are the most standard in the US - you generally tend to fix for 15 year or 30 year terms. The rate though is higher
 

robbiekeane

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #29
Ccfcsj said:
Getting a fixed actually proved to be more expensive as they are making them high due to the interest rates instability. It's a tracker (1% above base rate)
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They’re making them high because they are forecasting significant base rate hikes
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 29, 2022
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robbiekeane said:
Because the cost of borrowing money has gone up. You’re essentially just paying a risk premium on top of the banks estimate of what the cost of borrowing money will be to them over the life of the fixed term. Hence the longer the fixed term the higher the % rate. It’s risk management

You can totally get products that are fixed rates for the life of the mortgage - in fact these types of products are the most standard in the US - you generally tend to fix for 15 year or 30 year terms. The rate though is higher
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It was under 3% just a few months ago.
 

robbiekeane

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #31
wingy said:
It was under 3% just a few months ago.
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What was?
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #32
fernandopartridge said:
It's obviously some risk sharing thing they do across the mortgage book but like everything is stacked against the consumer
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Could you nationalise the mortgage market?
robbiekeane said:
Because the cost of borrowing money has gone up. You’re essentially just paying a risk premium on top of the banks estimate of what the cost of borrowing money will be to them over the life of the fixed term. Hence the longer the fixed term the higher the % rate. It’s risk management

You can totally get products that are fixed rates for the life of the mortgage - in fact these types of products are the most standard in the US - you generally tend to fix for 15 year or 30 year terms. The rate though is higher
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But why though? I know in practice it’s not a chunk of money borrowed there and then, but effectively it is. It’s basically money for old rope surely?
 

robbiekeane

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  • Sep 30, 2022
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shmmeee said:
But why though? I know in practice it’s not a chunk of money borrowed there and then, but effectively it is. It’s basically money for old rope surely?
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Because you're not paying the bank back really...

The majority of mortgages aren't actually held by the banks...they're packaged up and sold off as mortgage backed securities to big bad investment funds. Bank says hello Schmee, here's a 200k loan for 2% interest fixed for 5 years. Then the Bank says hey investment fund - do you want to buy this asset and make 1.9% on 200k guaranteed for 5 years? Here you go. Then the bank takes a little piece for themselves. but passes through the repayments.

When the fixed term is up though it's a total reset and it's all based on the cost of borrowing the capital which all traces back to the base rate essentially
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #34
robbiekeane said:
Because you're not paying the bank back really...

The majority of mortgages aren't actually held by the banks...they're packaged up and sold off as mortgage backed securities to big bad investment funds. Bank says hello Schmee, here's a 200k loan for 2% interest fixed for 5 years. Then the Bank says hey investment fund - do you want to buy this asset and make 1.9% on 200k guaranteed for 5 years? Here you go. Then the bank takes a little piece for themselves. but passes through the repayments.

When the fixed term is up though it's a total reset and it's all based on the cost of borrowing the capital which all traces back to the base rate essentially
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Yeah but why is that my problem?
 

robbiekeane

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #35
shmmeee said:
Yeah but why is that my problem?
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Because you agreed to it and you’re posting about it on a message board I guess
 
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