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More Misery for sisu: Result of poll of over 500 CCFC fans (7 Viewers)

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torchomatic

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  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #1
KCiC Poll Results

More Misery for sisu: Result of poll of over 500 CCFC fans


Cov Tel aren't publishing results till tomorrow so here's the kcic version.....


Key results

There is no evidence that the boycott of Northampton will weaken

If sisu remain as owners a third of people say they will not watch home games even if CCFC return to the Ricoh


The majority of people boycotting games at Sixfields say they are still supporting the Sky Blues in other ways such as going to away games or by standing on Jimmy’s Hill

However, the next largest group are those who say they are boycotting all CCFC games and 7% say they are no longer interested in CCFC at all

Only 2% say they would like to go inside Sixfields but cannot get there or cannot afford it


The number of people saying they will continue to watch the team wherever home fixtures are played remains a tiny minority (6%)

But even fewer people (5%) say they will no longer have anything to do with CCFC or they consider the Club no longer exists and want there to be a new AFC/Phoenix team


Results in full

The Keep Cov in Cov (kcic) Campaign decided to test out supporters’ views. It is evident that only a small minority of City fans are paying to go inside Sixfields. The vast majority are boycotting games at Northampton but some are still going to away games and/or Jimmy’s Hill, while others say they have turned their back on CCFC completely and yet others think a new AFC/Phoenix club should be started. There are also fans who would like to go to games at Northampton but are unable to get there due to cost or other reasons. Kcic therefore emailed the 2,500 City fans on the kcic mailing list asking them what their current position is regarding supporting CCFC and what they will do in future.
Asking fans for views is part of the kcic approach of trying to find a unifying message when supporters are so divided, and was intended as a quick straw poll with only a few dozen replies expected. However, the total number of responses was over 500. What this has become is if not a scientific survey then certainly a very large straw poll indeed and in the absence of any other polls the results make for very interesting reading. Online polls can be subject to abuse with people voting more than once and, in the case of football issues, distorted by fans of other clubs voting. The advantage of an email approach is it means addresses can be verified ensuring only genuine supporters vote and do so only once.
With so much complexity surrounding CCFC it was decided to focus on two key points: what fans are currently doing and, more importantly, what they say they will do in future.


Which one of these statements best describes your view of these future scenarios?Percentage agreeing
I will never have anything to do with CCFC again1%
I will continue to watch the team wherever home fixtures are played6%
I will only watch home goes if we return to the Ricoh and SISU are no longer owners29%
I will only watch home goes if we return to the Ricoh and I will go even if SISU are still owners60%
CCFC no longer exists for me and I support setting up an AFC/Phoenix club4%

In terms of the future, the poll results make grim reading. The number of people saying they will continue to watch the team wherever home fixtures are played remains a tiny minority at 6% - there is no evidence that the boycott of Northampton will weaken so attendances at Sixfields are likely to remain at or about the current level. More encouragingly, even fewer people say they will no longer have anything to do with CCFC or they consider the Club to be dead and want there to be a new AFC/Phoenix team. But the most worrying finding in the poll is that even if CCFC return to the Ricoh Arena a significant minority of those who replied, close to 1 in 3, said they will still not attend home games if SISU remain owners. So while attendances at the Ricoh would be far higher than at Sixfields, the Sky Blues could still find themselves playing in front of significantly smaller crowds than last season while SISU remain at the helm.

If this poll in any way represents the views of City fans more widely, then there are some positives such as people who are refusing to pay to go inside Sixfields still supporting the team in other ways and very few turning their back on CCFC completely. On the other hand there is no indication that attendances at Sixfields will increase significantly and what is most worrying is what happens as and when we return to the Ricoh. In reality returning to the Ricoh is very easy: Joy Seppala simply has to say ‘I will accept Gary Hoffman's offer of three years rent free at the Ricoh plus paying all compensation costs at Northampton’, and then ACL-SISU agree to binding arbitration on a longer term deal. What is more difficult is if something like a third of fans still refuse to attend home games while SISU are owners then the future for CCFC, even back at the Ricoh, may prove very tough.
 
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MichaelCCFC

New Member
  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #2
In case people haven't already seen this -

More Misery for sisu: Result of poll of over 500 CCFC fans

Cov Tel aren't publishing results till tomorrow so here's the kcic version.....


Key results

  • There is no evidence that the boycott of Northampton will weaken
  • If sisu remain as owners a third of people say they will not watch home games even if CCFC return to the Ricoh
  • The majority of people boycotting games at Sixfields say they are still supporting the Sky Blues in other ways such as going to away games or by standing on Jimmy’s Hill
  • However, the next largest group are those who say they are boycotting all CCFC games and 7% say they are no longer interested in CCFC at all
  • Only 2% say they would like to go inside Sixfields but cannot get there or cannot afford it
  • The number of people saying they will continue to watch the team wherever home fixtures are played remains a tiny minority (6%)
  • But even fewer people (5%) say they will no longer have anything to do with CCFC or they consider the Club no longer exists and want there to be a new AFC/Phoenix team

Results in full

Can't get the tables to paste in here so maybe someone else might be more successful!
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torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #3
60% would watch the team again if we went back to the Ricoh. Regardless of who the owners were. Surely that's a key figure too?
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #4
Beat me to it, Michael. I just posted your email. I think another key result is the 60% that would happily see us at the Ricoh.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #5
Who was asked?
 
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Godiva

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #6
Well, it's a email poll, so those asked are members of either the Trust or signed up to KCiC.
In that case the results aren't really surprising.

I don't think the KCiC poll can be used to state other than those who support KCiC want the club to return to the Ricoh.
The interesting point is the large percentage of KCiC supporters who are firmly in the sisu-out corner. Maybe not surprising as it seem to be the most active and most vocal group.

Can I ask how the response rate was? How many mails sent out, how many resonded?

What would the results be if a poll was made at the turnstiles at sixfields with the exact same questions?
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #7
My cut 'n' paste didn't paste this:

Which one of these statements best describes your position regarding the current situation?Percentage agreeing
I am completely fed up and am no longer interested in CCFC7%
I am paying to go inside Sixfields8%
I am boycotting Sixfields but am going to Jimmy's Hill and/or away games55%
I am boycotting all CCFC games28%
I would like to go inside Sixfields but cannot get there or cannot afford it2%

In terms of the current position with CCFC, the positive finding is that the majority of people boycotting games at Sixfields are still supporting the Sky Blues in other ways such as going to away games or by standing on Jimmy’s Hill. However, the next largest group are those who say they are boycotting all CCFC games and 7% said they are no longer interested in CCFC at all. The percentage of fans paying to go inside Sixfields (8%) is perhaps under-represented and should possibly be nearer 10% which is reportedly the number of season ticket holders compared with last season, but at the same time only 2% said they would like to go inside Sixfields but cannot get there or cannot afford it. This means there does not appear to be a significant number of fans who might boost attendances at Sixfields if say transport was provided.
 
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Godiva

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #8
Can you merge the two threads?
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #9
Good idea. That was my fault.

Godiva said:
Can you merge the two threads?
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #10
Nick said:
Who was asked?
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500 ccfc fans
 
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Godiva

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #11
skybluetony176 said:
500 ccfc fans
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I thought there were about 500 responses.
 

James Smith

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #12
Godiva said:
Can you merge the two threads?
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Yes - done.
 
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jesus-wept

New Member
  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #13
Godiva said:
Well, it's a email poll, so those asked are members of either the Trust or signed up to KCiC.
In that case the results aren't really surprising.

I don't think the KCiC poll can be used to state other than those who support KCiC want the club to return to the Ricoh.
The interesting point is the large percentage of KCiC supporters who are firmly in the sisu-out corner. Maybe not surprising as it seem to be the most active and most vocal group.

Can I ask how the response rate was? How many mails sent out, how many resonded?

What would the results be if a poll was made at the turnstiles at sixfields with the exact same questions?
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Ba assured Grendel that is fairly consistent with a majority of fans the vast majority of whom never read websites, go on twitter or whatever. They look for the results, happy to see us win but have no intention of going to so called home games. They see it as an away match and the average away support last season was about a 1000 and that is just below what go to Northampton. There is more to life than football.
 
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mrbluesky87

New Member
  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #14
Even though we now have facts to back up what a lot of people know already about fans feelings etc I rekon there will be those who will still question the results as its not what they want to hear therefore can we do the same poll on here???
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #15
mrbluesky87 said:
Even though we now have facts to back up what a lot of people know already about fans feelings etc I rekon there will be those who will still question the results as its not what they want to hear therefore can we do the same poll on here???
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Sure, more than welcome to make a poll. I think to get the best view it should be a poll on here, facebook, gmk, telegraph and the results merged to get the fairest result.

Sending a poll to kcic members and followers is going to show those sorts of results isn't it? It's like walking across the hill asking what people think and then saying that all city fans agree.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #16
Works both ways though, doesn't it? One headline "key point" is that a third will not return with SISU in charge even if we go back to the Ricoh. Doesn't that mean that two thirds would?

Polls are great and they can always be made to reflect one sides point of view as the example above shows.

mrbluesky87 said:
Even though we now have facts to back up what a lot of people know already about fans feelings etc I rekon there will be those who will still question the results as its not what they want to hear therefore can we do the same poll on here???
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mark82

Super Moderator
  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #17
It concerns me that 30% would not go even if we came back to the Ricoh if Sisu are still in charge. They can use figures like that to make a decision not to come back.

And the Gary Hoffman offer - that was a bit of a half arsed attempt that wasn't actually rent free as it involved him recovering what he pays in rent from revenues. So this is exactly the same as Sisu paying the rent. Not that simple after all.

Now, if ACL made a decent offer maybe they would have to consider it. Maybe an initial rent with an aim to buy, with rent paid coming off the agreed price. If they made an offer like that Sisu would have no reasonable grounds to reject.
 
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Godiva

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #18
Nick said:
Sure, more than welcome to make a poll. I think to get the best view it should be a poll on here, facebook, gmk, telegraph and the results merged to get the fairest result.

Sending a poll to kcic members and followers is going to show those sorts of results isn't it? It's like walking across the hill asking what people think and then saying that all city fans agree.
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Mostly when people make polls they design the questionnaire to get the response they want.

Sending the results of the KCiC questionnaire to the press with the comments given by Michael and without disclosing who was asked and what the response rate was is purely spin.
We detest when ACL and sisu are spinning, but it's ok when we do it ourself? Only in this case, it is fans misleading fans.
 

davebart

Active Member
  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #19
agree - it should say poll of 500 Kcic CCFC fans.
 

MusicDating

Euro 2016 Prediction League Champion!!
  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #20
The poll email went to Trust members too, as I got one.
 
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mrbluesky87

New Member
  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #21
torchomatic said:
Works both ways though, doesn't it? One headline "key point" is that a third will not return with SISU in charge even if we go back to the Ricoh. Doesn't that mean that two thirds would?

Polls are great and they can always be made to reflect one sides point of view as the example above shows.
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I think the point of that headline was to demonstrate that last season we had an average of around 10k, impressive for a league 1 side however if they returned to the Ricoh tomorrow there would only be 2/3 of that which is a considerable drop and highlights the fans feelings towards the owners. I am not in any group apart from myself and my son and I dont mind saying we are definately a no return to watch CCFC until SISU have departed.

Lets also remember KCIC is not We Hate Sisu, quite clearly with 6% still saying they will watch us regardless of where we play. I agree it is interpretation but I would like to think the majority are intelligent enough to understand what the results really signify.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #22
Even so though, 500 members is a very small minority of fans so to use headlines of "More Misery for SISU" is just misleading.

Also, what about the fans who have said they have given up on CCFC now and would never go back? They are the ones who are the disgrace, not the ones on the hill or in the ground.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #23
You don't need a poll or a headline to demonstrate that the move to Sixfields is a total disaster for Coventry City.

mrbluesky87 said:
I think the point of that headline was to demonstrate that last season we had an average of around 10k, impressive for a league 1 side however if they returned to the Ricoh tomorrow there would only be 2/3 of that which is a considerable drop and highlights the fans feelings towards the owners. I am not in any group apart from myself and my son and I dont mind saying we are definately a no return to watch CCFC until SISU have departed.

Lets also remember KCIC is not We Hate Sisu, quite clearly with 6% still saying they will watch us regardless of where we play. I agree it is interpretation but I would like to think the majority are intelligent enough to understand what the results really signify.
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MichaelCCFC

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  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #24
Godiva said:
Mostly when people make polls they design the questionnaire to get the response they want.

Sending the results of the KCiC questionnaire to the press with the comments given by Michael and without disclosing who was asked and what the response rate was is purely spin.
We detest when ACL and sisu are spinning, but it's ok when we do it ourself? Only in this case, it is fans misleading fans.
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who it was sent to is clearly stated - it is also clearly stated that this is in effect a very large straw poll but also the advantages of the approach over most online polls. Giving full tables means people can draw their own conclusions. If you and nick want to knock it then at least get your facts right!
 
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mrbluesky87

New Member
  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #25
Nick said:
Even so though, 500 members is a very small minority of fans so to use headlines of "More Misery for SISU" is just misleading.

Also, what about the fans who have said they have given up on CCFC now and would never go back? They are the ones who are the disgrace, not the ones on the hill or in the ground.
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That begs the question, how did they become apart of this group??? Surely they shouldnt be part of the group anymore?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #26
MichaelCCFC said:
who it was sent to is clearly stated - it is also clearly stated that this is in effect a very large straw poll but also the advantages of the approach over most online polls. Giving full tables means people can draw their own conclusions. If you and nick want to knock it then at least get your facts right!
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Where did I knock anything? I just said it doesn't give a FULL picture of what the FANS want.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #27
mrbluesky87 said:
That begs the question, how did they become apart of this group??? Surely they shouldnt be part of the group anymore?
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I think it is using the Trusts email base, so I assume it was sent to all Trust members.
 
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Godiva

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #28
Nick said:
I think it is using the Trusts email base, so I assume it was sent to all Trust members.
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So a response rate of 20%-25%?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #29
It would have been better to make a Survey Monkey poll and posted it on all the forums, sent it out to all members, tried to get the CET to post it and that would have made it easy for the lazy fans to do, reached a wider audience and just generally made it easier.

Even so, it still would have gauged a more accurate response as it would have reached a wider audience of city fan but would still never truly represent.
 
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mrbluesky87

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  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #30
Nick said:
Where did I knock anything? I just said it doesn't give a FULL picture of what the FANS want.
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In all fairness I dont think it is fully accurate. If you base it on the fact out of 500 fans, 6% (30) would watch the team regardless of where we played. If the average gate last season was 10k then 6% of this is 600 and we all know that at the last match it was near 3 times this number of home fans. Regardless of my point of view I dont believe that only 6,700 would watch at the Ricoh if they moved tomorrow, I would hazzard a guess at somewhere between 8 to 9k.
 
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MichaelCCFC

New Member
  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #31
torchomatic said:
60% would watch the team again if we went back to the Ricoh. Regardless of who the owners were. Surely that's a key figure too?
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Torch, you're entirely right. What hit me though was I'm so focused on a return to the ricoh that I've tended to assume that's all that's required for us all to live happily ever after. If the poll in any way reflects feeling more generally amongst supporters then returning to the ricoh would mean crowds will be much higher than at sixfields but a significant minority will still stay away if sisu are owners, meaning attendances could be even lower than last season's average. Given that the 'sisu out' campaign never attracted much support I'd always assumed that 'hardcore' anti-sisu sentiment was pretty limited. I've been amazed that no one has done a proper fans survey. The Trust discussed doing one but the CT/cwr could certainly do something much bigger and I'm sure with nick's IT skills he could set something up that wasn't open to the kind of problems that online polls face
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #32
MichaelCCFC said:
Torch, you're entirely right. What hit me though was I'm so focused on a return to the ricoh that I've tended to assume that's all that's required for us all to live happily ever after. If the poll in any way reflects feeling more generally amongst supporters then returning to the ricoh would mean crowds will be much higher than at sixfields but a significant minority will still stay away if sisu are owners, meaning attendances could be even lower than last season's average. Given that the 'sisu out' campaign never attracted much support I'd always assumed that 'hardcore' anti-sisu sentiment was pretty limited. I've been amazed that no one has done a proper fans survey. The Trust discussed doing one but the CT/cwr could certainly do something much bigger and I'm sure with nick's IT skills he could set something up that wasn't open to the kind of problems that online polls face
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Michael, Survey Monkey is generally pretty good.
 
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mrbluesky87

New Member
  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #33
And do you know what i;m a f*****g liar, if we returned to the Ricoh tomorrow I would walk out of work and make sure I got my tickets for the next game, its just emotive at the moment. God I miss my Saturday afternoons with my lad, walking to the Ricoh, having out little debates on the score and scorers, singing a few songs etc.
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #34
If 6% said they would watch home games why did we get around 15-20% of last seasons average gate last week?

Why aren't we getting 5.5-6k on the hill or at away games every other week if. 55% are supposedly doing?

Who did they actually poll?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - so please excuse and spelling or grammar errors
 
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MichaelCCFC

New Member
  • Sep 20, 2013
  • #35
Nick said:
Michael, Survey Monkey is generally pretty good.
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the free version only includes safeguards if it's a max of 100 respondents
 
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