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pusbccfc · Mar 1, 2023

Other clubs have injuries. Probably the same amount.

Difference is they either have replacements, or bring them in when possible. When Sunderland lost Stewart they immediately went out and got a Leeds striker on loan.

When O'Hare was injured, we didn't look for a replacement.

Nick · Mar 1, 2023

fernandopartridge said:
Robins isn't a doctor, the player himself will have wanted to see if he could continue

So he needs to have a word with the Doctors sat on the bench then?

Nick · Mar 1, 2023

pusbccfc said:
When O'Hare was injured, we didn't look for a replacement.

Isn't that why Maguire was signed? (whether he will play or not is a different story).

Offhegoes · Mar 1, 2023

I don't think you can blame Robins. We've been cursed by ACL injuries in his 2nd spell (Jodi Jones 3 times, Biamou, Andreu, O'Hare) and players such as Kelly, Dabo & Godden are just injury prone. O'Hare went 2 years being battered from pillar to post without getting injured. Also look at players like Bidwell and Vik, very rarely injured and playing a lot of games. We've just hit some bad luck with all our injuries at the moment affecting the same position (Attacking midfield)

shepardo01 · Mar 1, 2023

Thought;
Robins mentioned Ryton last week in relation to training.
He said the pitches were hard.
If we are training on hard pitches, reportedly at high intensity, muscle memory will be in line with that type of experience.
If match pitches are likely softer, different type of/more muscle contractions are likely going to take place that muscles may not be conditioned too, thus causing muscle tears. Although this would be minimal change, the schedule could well be heightening the issue.

???

Hobo · Mar 1, 2023

ccfc922 said:
Has it been said what the issue is with Maguire? Just simply not good enough or..?

Robins said he has ability and is a good finisher but hasnt took the handbrake off yet.

Basically needs to start training like he wants to be in the first team and earn the right to wear the shirt like the others.

Hobo · Mar 1, 2023

Nick said:
So he needs to have a word with the Doctors sat on the bench then?

It needs the players to articulate any pain or discomfort they are feeling. Robins and the physios can't feel it.

Frostie · Mar 1, 2023

JimmyHillsbeard said:
Was reported as torn calf last night

Amputating his arm seems a bit extreme then...

clint van damme · Mar 1, 2023

ProfessorbyGrace said:
Oh Kelly is injured again? Had no idea!

Well, that’s another option down the swanney. Don’t know whether to be relieved or concerned now, to be honest.

If you're unsure whether or not Kelly's injured, make your default position that he is and you'll usually be right

SkyBlueGuy · Mar 1, 2023

Not seen it mentioned anywhere, but do we have a timeframe on Sheaf?

Thought Eccles did pretty well yesterday, but to me it seems like we are missing what Sheaf brings. He seems the more defensively minded compared to Hamer, but his passing ability is at times fantastic. I also think he and Hamer seem to have a decent understanding.

Eccles got caught in possession at one point last night (surrounded by about 4 players). It actually reminded me a little of what we saw from Sheaf at times when he first arrived. Fingers crossed that means he can develop similarly!

fernandopartridge · Mar 1, 2023

Nick said:
So he needs to have a word with the Doctors sat on the bench then?

Again a doctor on the bench will really firstly on the player's own feeling about the injury.

AOM · Mar 1, 2023

shmmeee said:
We have enough cash for about 18 first team players and every team gets 4/5 injuries so when they happen the rest get flogged until they get injured and the injuries are rushed back to quickly because we need them. Rinse repeat.

It's been a miracle Gyokeres hasn't been injured so far, especially with the treatment he gets every game.
We rode out luck for so long with O'Hare last season which has finally come back to haunt us this year

Fergusons_Beard · Mar 1, 2023

fernandopartridge said:
He brought Doyle off Saturday and last night due to tiredness - not sure what point you're making about subs tbh?

Come on Fernando-you go to games when players are clearly knackered and he keeps them on.

Shipley and Dabo spring to mind.

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Sky Blue Pete · Mar 1, 2023

Offhegoes said:
I don't think you can blame Robins. We've been cursed by ACL injuries in his 2nd spell (Jodi Jones 3 times, Biamou, Andreu, O'Hare) and players such as Kelly, Dabo & Godden are just injury prone. O'Hare went 2 years being battered from pillar to post without getting injured. Also look at players like Bidwell and Vik, very rarely injured and playing a lot of games. We've just hit some bad luck with all our injuries at the moment affecting the same position (Attacking midfield)

You can blame him for fatigue injuries but he’ll be expected to get results and that’s his priority

The small squad isn’t his but not using options of the bench is through choice

Now granted people would be cross if he took vic off for walker
Or took Hamer off for Burroughs
And we then lost
It’s a no win but you can’t be surprised if players play every game and all 90 mins of the game that they start getting these sort of injuries

Deleted member 5849 · Mar 1, 2023

shepardo01 said:
Thought;
Robins mentioned Ryton last week in relation to training.
He said the pitches were hard.
If we are training on hard pitches, reportedly at high intensity, muscle memory will be in line with that type of experience.
If match pitches are likely softer, different type of/more muscle contractions are likely going to take place that muscles may not be conditioned too, thus causing muscle tears. Although this would be minimal change, the schedule could well be heightening the issue.

???

I'd often wondered if that was why Allen and o'Hare in particular seemed to regularly underhit short balls when playing games, as if they'd trained on a pitch where the ball travelled through a lot quicker than on the stadium pitch.

Sky Blue Pete · Mar 1, 2023

Deleted member 5849 said:
I'd often wondered if that was why Allen and o'Hare in particular seemed to regularly underhit short balls when playing games, as if they'd trained on a pitch where the ball travelled through a lot quicker than on the stadium pitch.

He has experts and I assume they are good at their jobs

Deleted member 5849 · Mar 1, 2023

Sky Blue Pete said:
He has experts and I assume they are good at their jobs

You don't have to be bad at your job to find yourself training on a pitch different to the one you play matches on?

PVA · Mar 1, 2023

Nick said:
Isn't that why Maguire was signed? (whether he will play or not is a different story).

Yeah it seems pretty obvious that Maguire was signed to complement Allen and Palmer, and give them a rest.

Sounds like he's just not doing enough in training though, which is possibly more a reflection on him than Robins for signing him.

fatso · Mar 1, 2023

slowpoke said:
Since we signed Maguire Allen and Palmer have been in good form and then Eccles has come back from injury, with Allen & Palmer being out might now open the door for Maguire.

If Maguire can't get a start on Saturday, he needs to start looking for a new career path.

Nick · Mar 1, 2023

Deleted member 5849 said:
You don't have to be bad at your job to find yourself training on a pitch different to the one you play matches on?

Aren't the pitches at Ryton brand new?

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT · Mar 1, 2023

ccfc922 said:
Has there been word on Allen's injury?

Standard 6 weeks out!

Ashdown · Mar 1, 2023

Mark Robins said recently we have to look at the club from top to bottom to find out why we are incurring so many injuries, he included training techniques, medical advice, diet, pitches, gym work .
Yes the players are putting in a shift due to poor quality back up to main starting 11. They did however have a mid season month off. In reality The manager is reluctant to bring off quality to be replaced by mediocrity.
I remember the Liverpool teams of the late 70s and 80s playing the same line up almost every week and that was with hard tackles flying in .
I think it’s the intensity of the modern game now and the strength and fitness required.

SAJ · Mar 1, 2023

Nick said:
Pointed it out a couple of months ago.

Why are we getting so many injuries? Are the medical team not advising properly or something?

Half the problem is most games we don’t use substitutes wisely. How many times do we use all 5? How many times do we get to the 70th minute and none have been used? How many times do we set to the 80th minute and we’ve still got the original 11 players playing. Use the rules to your advantage

Sky Blue Pete · Mar 1, 2023

SAJ said:
Half the problem is most games we don’t use substitutes wisely. How many times do we use all 5? How many times do we get to the 70th minute and none have been used? How many times do we set to the 80th minute and we’ve still got the original 11 players playing. Use the rules to your advantage

No one would be happy

Yok is taken off after 50 mins for walker and we lose

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Mar 1, 2023

PVA said:
Yeah it seems pretty obvious that Maguire was signed to complement Allen and Palmer, and give them a rest.

Sounds like he's just not doing enough in training though, which is possibly more a reflection on him than Robins for signing him.

It was pretty obvious that the signing was a stupid one, and many people (not least the Preston fans) were pointing it out. You were having a go at people for having that opinion, and now your excusing the recruitment and blaming the player for not training well enough.

Have a day off.

Grendel · Mar 1, 2023

PVA said:
Yeah it seems pretty obvious that Maguire was signed to complement Allen and Palmer, and give them a rest.

Sounds like he's just not doing enough in training though, which is possibly more a reflection on him than Robins for signing him.

He was signed without any logic like Cuffey and JWE. His career is clearly in significant decline

stupot07 · Mar 1, 2023

Deleted member 5849 said:
I'd often wondered if that was why Allen and o'Hare in particular seemed to regularly underhit short balls when playing games, as if they'd trained on a pitch where the ball travelled through a lot quicker than on the stadium pitch.

Nah it's because they have shorter legs than everyone else.

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steve cooper · Mar 1, 2023

PVA said:
Yeah it seems pretty obvious that Maguire was signed to complement Allen and Palmer, and give them a rest.

Sounds like he's just not doing enough in training though, which is possibly more a reflection on him than Robins for signing him.

Maguire does seem a strange signing but I wouldn't write him off yet. He hadn't played much football recently for whatever reason when we signed him, and MR was a bit the same with Palmer if I remember correctly. Most of us thought that was a strange signing to begin with.

PVA · Mar 1, 2023

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
It was pretty obvious that the signing was a stupid one, and many people (not least the Preston fans) were pointing it out. You were having a go at people for having that opinion, and now your excusing the recruitment and blaming the player for not training well enough.

Have a day off.

Swansea fans did Gyokeres was one of the worst players they'd ever seen so the comment about Preston fans doesn't hold much weight.

It was obviously a speculative punt and looks like being an awful signing, but Robins is impressed with his technical ability but not his application in training. That's on Maguire, not Robins.

PVA · Mar 1, 2023

Grendel said:
He was signed without any logic like Cuffey and JWE.

stupot07 · Mar 1, 2023

Grendel said:
He was signed without any logic like Cuffey and JWE. His career is clearly in significant decline

The difference in quality between 19 year old Fernandez and Cuffy and JWE is huge. They are the Jamie Sterry and Lewis Page of the championship.

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The Philosopher · Mar 1, 2023

Midfielders O’Hare, Palmer, Allen, Sheaf & Kelly all out / not match ready would have been difficult to predict.

Still think we should have offered Jodi Jones a low basic contract (doubt he’s secured a high pay contract) and loaned him out first half of the season with a recall option.

Anyway.

Any decent free agent midfielders out there that anyone knows?

I KNOW he’s not up to our level, but is Zain Westbrooke a free agent? At least he knows our system and if it’s only as a squad back up it might be a last resort if we get any more injuries.

Bristol paid up his contract last month.

I’d laugh at this notion myself if it wasn’t so tragic.

Edit: training at Walsall.

Edit: Robbie Burton Twitter account suggests he’s out of contract. Ex Arsenal CM.

Desperate times.

Ashdown · Mar 1, 2023

Jodi Jones…. What ? We gave him enough chances , he’d have been crocked before we got a home game in this season.

Deleted member 5849 · Mar 1, 2023

The Philosopher said:
I KNOW he’s not up to our level, but is Zain Westbrooke a free agent? At least he knows our system and if it’s only as a squad back up it might be a last resort if we get any more injuries

We could always try and sign Peter Vincenti, who's playing in Jersey...

The Philosopher · Mar 1, 2023

Ashdown said:
Jodi Jones…. What ? We gave him enough chances , he’d have been crocked before we got a home game in this season.

He’s fit now. Playing regularly although at a low level.

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