Monday Signings (10 Viewers)

Senior Vick from Alicante · Aug 1, 2016

You have to trust TM and MV. They will get it right but i think they learnt from the lesson of Januarys transfer window when they took what was available rather than what they wanted. Its no point getting a player thats only as good as what you have you are just treading water if you do. Now most released players are out of contract the agents are going to go in to over time as players will need wages and they will want agents fees so the market situation should free up a bit. The better players will still want to earn but their should be more room to manouver.

Liquid Gold · Aug 1, 2016

smileycov said:
but it doesnt apper that way though, i mean were possibly losing out to the likes of rotherham for christ sake!! if we had similar or better budget why do we keep getting gazumped, thats my only moan!

Rotherham are in the Championship where you instantly have £5m higher budget and FFP constraints are lesser. We have a similar or better budget compared to most teams in our league but they are signing league one players not aiming for people who have previously been on £26k a week.

Nick · Aug 1, 2016

smileycov said:
but it doesnt apper that way though, i mean were possibly losing out to the likes of rotherham for christ sake!! if we had similar or better budget why do we keep getting gazumped, thats my only moan!

You do realise Rotherham are in the league above don't you? Why would be able to have a better budget than them?

It is almost as if people don't really know much and think CCFC are completely seperate.

Warwickhunt · Aug 1, 2016

Liquid Gold said:
Rotherham are in the Championship where you instantly have £5m higher budget and FFP constraints are lesser. We have a similar or better budget compared to most teams in our league but they are signing league one players not aiming for people who have previously been on £26k a week.

Totally agree that the Championship is realising that some of the prima donners are not worth paying extortionate wages and they are looking for a bunch of fighters/mud wrestlers (1st/2nd div players)to get them up to the premiership just so that they can get the pot of gold for one season so that they can become YOYO clubs and live off the benefits of parachute payments

stevefloyd · Aug 1, 2016

Our budget is dictating what we can or cannot bring in, our defence wasn't up to it last year and from what I have seen in pre season its gotten much worse, I am sure TM hasn't just sat on his butt not trying to get people in but if his intended targets want more money etc what can we do?
We let Martin go, which to me was strange because I would have let Ricketts go and keep Martin but obviously TM works with these people day in day out. I must admit I do feel slightly twitchy at the prospect of our defence atm but hopefully now August is here the coffers have a little slack in them and we may see movement of incoming signings. TM got the highest finish in a division for many a season lets hope he can bring more of that...
If we had started badly last season and then finished strong and still achieved the same position I myself would have felt more comfortable with that but he is apparently our best manager for some time so get your asses up there and support the team...remember...plenty of asses on seats mean more money means hopefully better players means promotion (hopefully)

Otis · Aug 1, 2016

smileycov said:
but it doesnt apper that way though, i mean were possibly losing out to the likes of rotherham for christ sake!! if we had similar or better budget why do we keep getting gazumped, thats my only moan!

Our days of being a big club have gone and Rotherham are a league higher. We shouldn't be in a position to compete with Rotherham.

Not unless some rich millionaire buys us.

stevefloyd · Aug 1, 2016

luwalla said:
To be fair to TM its clear he wanted to get everything done closed season & go into the new season with his squad ready to go, but he is playing with peanuts money wise!!

It must be bloody hard to get deals over the line when you simply dont have the money to compete or make it finacially attractive for these guys to sign before other clubs come in ... he most likely hasn't seen any Madison money, otherwise im sure we wouldn't be struggling to recruit the way we are.

If we sold vincelot for 50k to free up money to sign ( TM said the day before he was sold that one or two will have to go to allow us to do incoming business ) then that sums up where we are financially - 50k for one of best players!!!

50k PLUS whatever wages he was on ....

Nick · Aug 1, 2016

Liquid Gold said:
Rotherham are in the Championship where you instantly have £5m higher budget and FFP constraints are lesser. We have a similar or better budget compared to most teams in our league but they are signing league one players not aiming for people who have previously been on £26k a week.

Pretty much sums it up, I'd say Reid is going to be earning more than any of the players Fleetwood have signed...

We are looking at players that are on paper much better than any that Fleetwood or Oldham have signed, that's why Championship teams are interested too.

Nick · Aug 1, 2016

stevefloyd said:
Our budget is dictating what we can or cannot bring in, our defence wasn't up to it last year and from what I have seen in pre season its gotten much worse, I am sure TM hasn't just sat on his butt not trying to get people in but if his intended targets want more money etc what can we do?
We let Martin go, which to me was strange because I would have let Ricketts go and keep Martin but obviously TM works with these people day in day out. I must admit I do feel slightly twitchy at the prospect of our defence atm but hopefully now August is here the coffers have a little slack in them and we may see movement of incoming signings. TM got the highest finish in a division for many a season lets hope he can bring more of that...
If we had started badly last season and then finished strong and still achieved the same position I myself would have felt more comfortable with that but he is apparently our best manager for some time so get your asses up there and support the team...remember...plenty of asses on seats mean more money means hopefully better players means promotion (hopefully)

That's the thing, the defence isn't sorted.

Meanwhile we keep getting trialists for positions we don't need them.

Deleted member 5849 · Aug 1, 2016

Otis said:
Our days of being a big club have gone and Rotherham are a league higher. We shouldn't be in a position to compete with Rotherham.

Not unless some rich millionaire buys us.

Football testimonial article on the BBC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36884991

Also gives average salaries in the divisions, 2014-2015.

£1.7m Premier League

£324k Championship

£70k League One

£40k League Two

Frighteningly high, even in our division, really!

skyblueelephant76 · Aug 1, 2016

People should have a look around at what else is currently happening with League One clubs.

Swindon are in a similar position and still have to bring in a number of players.

Shrewsbury were very active in the transfer market and got stuffed 4-1 in their last friendly.

Northampton have been tipped to do well but lost their last friendly 4-1 to a non-league side and ended up with Aaron Phillips playing centre-back because they have a number of injuries.

Oxford conceded 3 at Barnet with Aaron Martin giving away a penalty.

Gillingham lost 2-0 at Leyton Orient and had one of their summer signings carried off with a broken leg.

Port Vale have assembled a team of foreign players with virtually no League One experience and lost their last friendly 3-0.

I could go on and on. Lots of teams have problems at the moment, I'm still confident that we'll have a much stronger squad in a couple of weeks, it's disappointing that we don't have more players through the door but the lack of emergency loans will mean there is a lot of activity across the leagues until the end of August. Not many teams will have a settled side until that's over.

ccfcway · Aug 1, 2016

Nick said:
That's the thing, the defence isn't sorted.

Meanwhile we keep getting trialists for positions we don't need them.

haven't we only had 2 all pre season ?

stevefloyd · Aug 1, 2016

But Nick it was late last year when TM pulled a couple of gems on loan, still not sure thats the way to go but if it is so be it.... we need some brute of a defender and someone solid at the side of him to sweep up everything that the brute misses... Who knows what Mowbray and Venus have been looking at...maybe the lad from Brum that someone wrote a glowing report on ...who knows???but fingers crossed...and legs...and arms...and feet...and toes...fuck me I'm in a right mess here now...can't walk

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Aug 1, 2016

robbiekeane said:
Who's getting on their high horse about it?

I'm not just mindlessly jumping to his defence on everything, it's just innocent until proven guilty isn't it? If we get to the end of the transfer window and he hasn't built a competitive team and we're losing games, then we can start chucking toys out the pram then can't we? Similarly if we get to the end of the season and we miss out on something marginally by a few points and we get battered in the first couple of games and it wasn't worth the risk, then we can question the trade off then can't we?

But instead people are just hellbent on moaning about everything and bitching about not having any funds (even though there's no evidence of that), saying we have a relegation team already, etc etc. Just don't get it. It's likely the guys got a game plan, and is taking calculated risk by keeping the squad thin and going for quality rather than quantity, and accepting that we may have to wait longer to get the best quality.

Ideally we would have bought excellent players at the start of the transfer window, all for significant fees, beating the competition, and have a really long pre season smashing everyone and be ready way in advance. But unfortunately we're a third tier team with about 11k average attendances and no stadium, and so we need to be shrewd with our budget. Unfortunately people can't seem to wrap their little heads around that.

It just seems like your branding every argument against this years recruitment policy on moaners and the 'sack the board' crew who are angry at the budget. It isn't as simple as that. It's alright being annoyed at people having a go, but I think it's completely plausible for people to be pretty concerned at the shape of the team lining up to face Swindon on Saturday. Innocent until proven guilty is one thing, but if you're loitering at the crime scene, you're only increasing the chances of conviction. Maybe Mowbray is holding out for better players, maybe it will pay off, but at the moment it's pretty clear that a lot of targets have been missed and that the amount of players that have been cut is making the gamble a pretty big one.

ccfcway · Aug 1, 2016

skyblueelephant76 said:
.I'm still confident that we'll have a much stronger squad in a couple of weeks, it's disappointing that we don't have more players through the door but the lack of emergency loans will mean there is a lot of activity across the leagues until the end of August. Not many teams will have a settled side until that's over.

Makes a mockery of the 1st month really doesn't it. The window should close when the season starts

stevefloyd · Aug 1, 2016

ccfcway said:
haven't we only had 2 all pre season ?

Don't know they have all been called the same

Nick · Aug 1, 2016

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
It just seems like your branding every argument against this years recruitment policy on moaners and the 'sack the board' crew who are angry at the budget. It isn't as simple as that. It's alright being annoyed at people having a go, but I think it's completely plausible for people to be pretty concerned at the shape of the team lining up to face Swindon on Saturday. Innocent until proven guilty is one thing, but if you're loitering at the crime scene, you're only increasing the chances of conviction. Maybe Mowbray is holding out for better players, maybe it will pay off, but at the moment it's pretty clear that a lot of targets have been missed and that the amount of players that have been cut is making the gamble a pretty big one.

Yes but how much of that is down to Mowbray? I am pretty sure if we wanted to go out and sign loads of players like Fleetwood or Oldham that won't be very good or Malagas and Mansetts we could have done that too?

ccfcway · Aug 1, 2016

stevefloyd said:
Don't know they have all been called the same

sh1t ?

Nick · Aug 1, 2016

ccfcway said:
haven't we only had 2 all pre season ?

But then it begs the question if we have Reid / Jones / Spence / Lameries why we are getting trialists for those positions and not defenders?

stevefloyd · Aug 1, 2016

Possible lol

Esoterica · Aug 1, 2016

stevefloyd said:
Our budget is dictating what we can or cannot bring in, our defence wasn't up to it last year and from what I have seen in pre season its gotten much worse, I am sure TM hasn't just sat on his butt not trying to get people in but if his intended targets want more money etc what can we do?
We let Martin go, which to me was strange because I would have let Ricketts go and keep Martin but obviously TM works with these people day in day out. I must admit I do feel slightly twitchy at the prospect of our defence atm but hopefully now August is here the coffers have a little slack in them and we may see movement of incoming signings. TM got the highest finish in a division for many a season lets hope he can bring more of that...
If we had started badly last season and then finished strong and still achieved the same position I myself would have felt more comfortable with that but he is apparently our best manager for some time so get your asses up there and support the team...remember...plenty of asses on seats mean more money means hopefully better players means promotion (hopefully)

Our budget is just a budget. It's TM/MV dictating the targets we chase. To go after previously high Championship earners or injury prone players is a high risk policy that is looking like it might end up costing us valuable points at the start of a season that was supposed to be our main promotion push under Mowbray.

ccfcway · Aug 1, 2016

Nick said:
But then it begs the question if we have Reid / Jones / Spence / Lameries why we are getting trialists for those positions and not defenders?

to see if they are better than we already have ?

he may not have been offered any defenders he wanted to take a look at

stevefloyd · Aug 1, 2016

Maybe TM wanted to see a full pre season with the likes of Harries and Leaghy to be able to assess them himself and give them a full try out...
In the last game Leaghy and Harries played the full game and I would have thought if they were to be included in the 1st team next Saturday he wouldn't have risked getting them injured

Nick · Aug 1, 2016

ccfcway said:
to see if they are better than we already have ?

he may not have been offered any defenders he wanted to take a look at

So what happens then if the trialists are better than Jones and Reid? Do we sign them up?

People will moan about the budget and how his hands are tied and yes if we get a Championship player it is great, but we could have also had decent league 1 players.

Esoterica · Aug 1, 2016

skyblueelephant76 said:
People should have a look around at what else is currently happening with League One clubs.

Swindon are in a similar position and still have to bring in a number of players.

Shrewsbury were very active in the transfer market and got stuffed 4-1 in their last friendly.

Northampton have been tipped to do well but lost their last friendly 4-1 to a non-league side and ended up with Aaron Phillips playing centre-back because they have a number of injuries.

Oxford conceded 3 at Barnet with Aaron Martin giving away a penalty.

Gillingham lost 2-0 at Leyton Orient and had one of their summer signings carried off with a broken leg.

Port Vale have assembled a team of foreign players with virtually no League One experience and lost their last friendly 3-0.

I could go on and on. Lots of teams have problems at the moment, I'm still confident that we'll have a much stronger squad in a couple of weeks, it's disappointing that we don't have more players through the door but the lack of emergency loans will mean there is a lot of activity across the leagues until the end of August. Not many teams will have a settled side until that's over.

How many of those teams do you expect to be top 6? Meanwhile, Bradford have just signed 6ft 2 Matt Kilgallon.

Nick · Aug 1, 2016

Esoterica said:
How many of those teams do you expect to be top 6? Meanwhile, Bradford have just signed 6ft 2 Matt Kilgallon.

So if Mowbray thought we could get Wilson, surely we could have got somebody like him?

Most of our issues last year were because of defenders, I don't buy the whole budget stuff as you would think it would be one of the first positions Mowbray would have addressed.

AFCCOVENTRY · Aug 1, 2016

A lot of players seems to move to a club nearby... Players just don't want to move house or commute.

It's as if we have to look for local midland players for a 1 season signing.

smileycov · Aug 1, 2016

Nick said:
You do realise Rotherham are in the league above don't you? Why would be able to have a better budget than them?

It is almost as if people don't really know much and think CCFC are completely seperate.

Yes, a bad example tbf. However i still dont see our great budget against the rest when we have no one in. We have cut a lot and still nothing. Just worryng thats all, i understand where we are now hence the mention of not being able to compete against a team like rotherham!! my how the mighty have fallen.
Surely to god though we could have had 1 or 2 more new faces in by now.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Aug 1, 2016

Nick said:
Yes but how much of that is down to Mowbray? I am pretty sure if we wanted to go out and sign loads of players like Fleetwood or Oldham that won't be very good or Malagas and Mansetts we could have done that too?

If you're a good manager you find the middle ground between getting your shit sorted, and ensuring that your shit is good enough. Missing out on so many targets was not part of the plan and not prepared for, neither was gambling on a paper thin squad now. It's just the situation we've found ourselves in, and TM's comments today well and truly reflect that.

Nick · Aug 1, 2016

smileycov said:
Yes, a bad example tbf. However i still dont see our great budget against the rest when we have no one in. We have cut a lot and still nothing. Just worryng thats all, i understand where we are now hence the mention of not being able to compete against a team like rotherham!! my how the mighty have fallen.
Surely to god though we could have had 1 or 2 more new faces in by now.

We haven't been in the top league for donkeys years. Are people going to be upset that Bournemouth or Hull have bigger wage budgets?

Nick · Aug 1, 2016

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
If you're a good manager you find the middle ground between getting your shit sorted, and ensuring that your shit is good enough. Missing out on so many targets was not part of the plan and not prepared for, neither was gambling on a paper thin squad now. It's just the situation we've found ourselves in, and TM's comments today well and truly reflect that.

But then the whole Hunt, Henderson, Ramage stuff was shocking too and people blamed the budget. Then we picked up Jones and Gadzev.

Defence should have been his priority, especially after he let Martin go.

ccfcway · Aug 1, 2016

Nick said:
So what happens then if the trialists are better than Jones and Reid? Do we sign them up?

yes, and sell Lamerias.

Isn't that what we have done with Vincelot, but just haven't bought the replacement in yet

Nick · Aug 1, 2016

ccfcway said:
yes, and sell Lamerias.

Isn't that what we have done with Vincelot, but just haven't bought the replacement in yet

I just don't see the logic in dabbling with wingers on loan when a. We aren't really playing that much with out and out winders and b. We have some already while the defence is like it is.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Aug 1, 2016

Nick said:
But then the whole Hunt, Henderson, Ramage stuff was shocking too and people blamed the budget. Then we picked up Jones and Gadzev.

Defence should have been his priority, especially after he let Martin go.

Indeed, that was poor judgment by the manager Nick. This is kind of my point.

Wholeheartedly agree on the defence side of things. It was unstable a fair amount last season, and should have been priority.

ccfcway · Aug 1, 2016

Nick said:
But then the whole Hunt, Henderson, Ramage stuff was shocking too and people blamed the budget. Then we picked up Jones and Gadzev.

Defence should have been his priority, especially after he let Martin go.

after the 1st game we will have a back 3 of.....Willis - Ricketts - Stokes, which is ok.

Up front we will have Sordell who scored 4 league goals last season and his replacement is Tudgay who also scored 4.

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