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NorthernWisdom

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People love to flog a dead horse on here. I actually think we could do with an influx of new members to get some fresh arguments, sorry conversations, started.
If that's the worst thing you've ever said on here or in the real world, you're doing well.

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There's a basic rule of thumb that we're not perfect, all fuck up.

Defending the indefensible is when it gets low, mind you.
 

Houchens Head

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“I don’t like women being punched in the face by a big fuck off bloke, but if I see it happening in front of me I’ll leave it and let it happen” safe in the knowledge that I know I don’t like it.
I remember back in the early 70's, I was walking through Smithford Way by the old Davies sports shop (for those of you who remember it), and I saw a bloke arguing with (I assume) his missus. Next thing I knew, he threw a punch at her knocking her over. My missus at the time grabbed my arm and said "Don't get involved!". But that just isn't me. I walked over to this "big, hard c**t", and without saying a word, knocked him spark out! All the other shoppers in the precinct area just stood and stared. I just walked away saying something like, "When he comes to, tell him not to hit women!" That felt great! Can't stand cunts who hit women!
 

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I'll just stick to not being a paedophile.
That's a smart move.

What would be worrying is if people suddenly felt the need to declare that they're 'anti-paedophile' in their twitter bio. I should hope so, like that even needs to be said or clarified.

People missing my point, which was probably poorly made, my bad. I do find this new phenomenon of people declaring they're anti-racist odd, because well, of course you are, aren't you? That's the benefit of doubt I give to anyone I ever encounter, because the alternative is that you're pro-racist and I wouldn't recommend that.

Anyway it was a bit tongue in cheek, and I wish I'd said nothing.

What I would say is that I don't have any time for those antagonists who have turned anti-racism into a political movement, like those in a video I saw this week who were harrasing a black politician with cries of Uncle Tom and house ***** because he happened to belong to the wrong party.

As for the knee, if it's a sincere gesture made in opposition to racism, and I'm sure it is, then what's the issue, have never argued otherwise
 

clint van damme

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That's a smart move.

What would be worrying is if people suddenly felt the need to declare that they're 'anti-paedophile' in their twitter bio. I should hope so, like that even needs to be said or clarified.

People missing my point, which was probably poorly made, my bad. I do find this new phenomenon of people declaring they're anti-racist odd, because well, of course you are, aren't you? That's the benefit of doubt I give to anyone I ever encounter, because the alternative is that you're pro-racist and I wouldn't recommend that.

Anyway it was a bit tongue in cheek, and I wish I'd said nothing.

What I would say is that I don't have any time for those antagonists who have turned anti-racism into a political movement, like those in a video I saw this week who were harrasing a black politician with cries of Uncle Tom and house ***** because he happened to belong to the wrong party.

As for the knee, if it's a sincere gesture made in opposition to racism, and I'm sure it is, then what's the issue, have never argued otherwise
Anti racism New phenomenon? We had a kit a couple of seasons ago inspired by a band and a brand of music who were declaring it loudly and proudly 40 years ago.
 

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There's a basic rule of thumb that we're not perfect, all fuck up.

Defending the indefensible is when it gets low, mind you.
We have become so polarised by the deadly duo of politics + Internet I think a lot of people find themselves defending the indefensible as agreeing with the other side on anything is no longer an option. It's actually something I'm trying to by mindful of. Ignoring articles designed to wind people up is a good place to start.

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theferret

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Anti racism New phenomenon? We had a kit a couple of seasons ago inspired by a band and a brand of music who were declaring it loudly and proudly 40 years ago.
Tbf, I think people taking a stand against racism, oppression and tyranny started some before The Specials.

I am clearly really shit at making this point, utterly bereft tbh because nobody seems to get it. I'll admit defeat and take it on the chin.
 

clint van damme

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Tbf, I think people taking a stand against racism, oppression and tyranny started some before The Specials.

I am clearly really shit at making this point, utterly bereft tbh because nobody seems to get it. I'll admit defeat and take it on the chin.
Everyone get to bed, we've got along day tomorrow.
 

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People love to flog a dead horse on here. I actually think we could do with an influx of new members to get some fresh arguments, sorry conversations, started.
If that's the worst thing you've ever said on here or in the real world, you're doing well.

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We had an influx of new posters recently, but then it turned out they were old members posting under new usernames.

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Always found the term 'anti racist' to be a bit odd. It seems that simply not being racist, most people's default position, is no longer good enough, you have to declare yourself 'anti'.

We seem to have peaked in the 90s when nobody gave a shit what colour you were and being colourblind was all the rage.

Now, demand for racism often outstrips supply so people go searching for it and it's all a bit mental

Besides, if being 'anti racist' puts you on the same side as those knuckle-dragging antifa mouth-breathers, I reject anti-racism and I'll just stick to not being a racist instead.
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Sorry. I have to take extreme issue with this. As a 4th generation Millwall fan with a Jewish partner, whom I have a family with, this is an out and out lie. I am not saying that you are deliberately lying, but at the very least you have mistaken something for something else. If I ever heard anything like what you suggest I would happily never return to The Den again. But, I never have.

The only thing I can possibly think of that you may be referring to is when the crowd do a ‘shushing‘ sound. This happens when both the home and away fans are being noticeably quiet and usually coincides with the game being in a bit of a lull. Some Millwall fans will then notice this and make the ‘shuuuusssh’ sound and others will quickly join in. It’s an excellent precursor (imo) to the crowd then letting out a big ‘Miiiiiillllllllllllll’ chant - which somebody mentions earlier in this thread.

Conversely, another reason I think that there has been a definite mistake by you, is because Millwall are the original and only East End football club. Founded in 1885 on the Isle of Dogs and taking their name from the Millwall Dock area.

The club was the leading light of football in London in the Victorian era - pioneers of professional football in the south with the establishment of the Southern League, which the club dominated, as well as admired cup fighters, whose victories over Everton, Preston, Derby and especially the mighty Aston Villa team of the period, on runs to two FA Cup Semi-Finals (1900 & 1903) earned the club the nickname ‘Lions of the South’, which stuck and replaced the original ‘Dockers’ nickname.

What has the got to do with anything you may ask… well, as most people know, the East End was home to a large Jewish community. Many of these followed Millwall, even when the club made the short hop over the River Thames, thousands still streamed through the foot tunnel connecting SE London and the Isle of Dogs to follow their beloved ‘Lions’. It was only later on that the success of Tottenham Hotspur diminished Millwall’s stature as the number one club for London’s Jewish community to follow.

However, as you know, being a follower of a less fashionable club yourself, most of a club’s support (outside the big brand clubs) is passed down through the generations. Therefore, it is true to say that there are many Jewish families following the club to this day & I am certain, just like myself, they would not remain quiet or even dedicated fans of the club, if what you have so causually stated is/was true. That I am 100% certain of.

Certainly, the media would have highlighted it before too, and added it to our many other misdeeds. Indeed, as I have seen them crucify us for a frustrated fan throwing a meat pie near the lineman - ‘Missiles Rain Down’… phone ins on Talksport about throwing the club out the FL etc etc.

Millwall FC does have its problems, I cannot deny that, but I feel people should be careful with what that say & hopefully I have given a reasoned and calm defence of why I think you are incorrect.
Not so proud of your east end docker roots to maintain their strong commitment to socialism though are you mate.
 
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Is todays game on ifollow video?
I can only see audio being available.
 

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Not so proud of your east end docker roots to maintain their strong commitment to socialism though are you mate.
I actually do not really understand what you mean by that. I can only assume that you maybe misread my posts!? Other than that, honestly no idea!

However, it did make me smile remembering my great grandad on my mum’s side. A stevedore at Millwall docks, and a who as a young man served in the Royal Navy fighting the Kasier and then in the Merchant Navy trying to defeat Hitler.

He was born in Bermondsey in 1896 to a typical working class family of the era and place. Yet, he voted Conservative all his life. Apparently my dad used to always question this, as he was and still is a Labour voter. My dad used to say he didn’t understand how a working man could vote for them lot. To which my great granddad apparently used to reply ‘I was born into nothing and I fucking don’t aspire to continue to have nothing or give up what I have managed to get for myself’.

As I can only think you meant to insult me, it did make me smile as to what my great granddad, a navy boxing champion, would have to say to some spoilt and pampered baby boomer / generation Xer / millennial (delete as appropriate) withering on about what East End Dockers should think about socialism.

Anyway, I only came on to say it sounded a good game today (a ding dong Championship match) and Coventry brought a large and loud support. So I hope all you Sky Blues that went had a decent day out. I was stuck at a child’s birthday party in one of those horrific warehouses with play pens etc., so I am under no doubt that I have seen more hooliganism and toxic tribalism than any of you today.

Again… good luck to Coventry City. Genuinely mean that, for reasons already stated.
 

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I actually do not really understand what you mean by that. I can only assume that you maybe misread my posts!? Other than that, honestly no idea!

However, it did make me smile remembering my great grandad on my mum’s side. A stevedore at Millwall docks, and a who as a young man served in the Royal Navy fighting the Kasier and then in the Merchant Navy trying to defeat Hitler.

He was born in Bermondsey in 1896 to a typical working class family of the era and place. Yet, he voted Conservative all his life. Apparently my dad used to always question this, as he was and still is a Labour voter. My dad used to say he didn’t understand how a working man could vote for them lot. To which my great granddad apparently used to reply ‘I was born into nothing and I fucking don’t aspire to continue to have nothing or give up what I have managed to get for myself’.

As I can only think you meant to insult me, it did make me smile as to what my great granddad, a navy boxing champion, would have to say to some spoilt and pampered baby boomer / generation Xer / millennial (delete as appropriate) withering on about what East End Dockers should think about socialism.

Anyway, I only came on to say it sounded a good game today (a ding dong Championship match) and Coventry brought a large and loud support. So I hope all you Sky Blues that went had a decent day out. I was stuck at a child’s birthday party in one of those horrific warehouses with play pens etc., so I am under no doubt that I have seen more hooliganism and toxic tribalism than any of you today.

Again… good luck to Coventry City. Genuinely mean that, for reasons already stated.
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A long and detailed post obviously that shows you care clearly.

I am going to Millwall tomorrow and this will be my first League game this season and travelling down from Manchester to go.

I do remember a stabbing in Coventry centre the Friday night before Fa cup game in 1975 at Highfield road and have seen some unsavoury characters in my travels that were Millwall supporters and had a friend tell me what it was like when Millwall visited Crystal Palace. Much of this is really old stuff and maybe out of date. I really hope it is.

I am genuinely looking forward to the visit to London tomorrow and a new ground. I am open minded to the occasion although this might sound contradictory but I certainly wont be wearing my Coventry UK City of Culture 2021 shirt!
It was a great trip. Cycled to London Bridge from Euston then walked to ground via Bermondsey mile route. Lots on independent breweries next to route of train tracks. Did exactly the same on way back. No need to catch tube at all. I didn't see any Millwall fans apart from walking through lots of them at South Bermondsey train station to walk back to London Bridge. Forced to go there after the game even though had no intention catching a train, reminded me of 80s policing.

Overall a very positive experience based on the Bermondsey beer mile route.
 
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clint van damme

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It was a great trip. Cycled to London Bridge from Euston then walked to ground via Bermondsey mile route. Lots on independent breweries next to route of train tracks. Did exactly the same on way back. No need to catch tube at all. I didn't see any Millwall fans apart from walking through lots of them at South Bermondsey train station to walk back to London Bridge. Forced to go there after the game even though had no intention catching a train, reminded me of 80s policing.

Overall a very positive experience based on the Bermondsey beer mile route.
Was that you on the bike who came through the city fans queueing for the train?