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  • Start date Jan 19, 2025
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Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #106
clint van damme said:
I'd say there's a very good chance
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Haven’t been around the SBT block enough, is Hill another itk?
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #107
Grendel said:
Ashley clearly has made a lot of money but isn’t exactly a sensible businessman. Read how Alan Pardew ended up with an 8 year contract at Newcastle
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Or maybe, like many others, he's found business acumen in other sectors doesn't necessarily transfer to football?
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #108
Sky Blue Goblin said:
Haven’t been around the SBT block enough, is Hill another itk?
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Yes mate,well connected in Coventry and beyond.
 
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Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #109
clint van damme said:
Yes mate,well connected in Coventry and beyond.
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Hard to fecking know at times. Hypothetically would at least link the arena and the club. Feel like a promotion at this point
 

itsabuzzard

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #110
Deity said:
Y

You might want to ask a Newcastle fan what that was like ….

Team relegated under him ( and promoted ) no real investment in transfers, wouldn’t engage with the fans, banned local media.

They were protesting to get rid of him.
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Rangers fans were mighty glad to see the back of him as well.
 

Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #111
Deity said:
Y

You might want to ask a Newcastle fan what that was like ….

Team relegated under him ( and promoted ) no real investment in transfers, wouldn’t engage with the fans, banned local media.

They were protesting to get rid of him.
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To be fair as long as he finally linked the stadium and the club, would be one of the better owners.

Don’t think he’s been a great owner but I would 100% of taken Newcastles years under him
 

CCfC2023

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #112
Ashley is buying up shares in Boohoo.com at the moment and trying to force himself on the board of the company .

So possibly a takeover of Coventry isn't on his radar .
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #113
Saddlebrains said:
My point stands

If Ashely wanted the club he would have had it and not Doug

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How much is Mike Ashley’s net worth is tied up in Fraser’s?

Your personal dislike for him is clouding your judgement imo.
 
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Cally Fedora

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #114
Grendel said:
No it wouldn’t as they would still remain two separate companies
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Ah yes, pointless semantics. Club owned by Ashley pays company owned by Ashley rent. Technically there is a meaningful transaction if you really want to search for it.
 

hill83

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #115
Hearing this is happening in the next 47 hours
 
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Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #116
hill83 said:
Hearing this is happening in the next 47 hours
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4pm Tuesday. @Nick Can we have a timer?
 

shepardo01

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #117
Surely a Gimoc "signing in 48 hrs" (that didn't happen) reference.....
 
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Cally Fedora

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #118
Grendel said:
No it wouldn’t as they would still remain two separate companies
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Ah yes, pointless semantics. Club owned by Ashley pays company owned by
 

blunted

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #119
Saddlebrains said:
Sisu would have lapped up anything he offered. They 'sold' us to a skint (in football terms) cooking oil salesman
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Or snake oil salesman depending on your point of view.
 

blunted

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #120
The old adage. How to lose millions, buy a football club.
The only way I could see him buying the City is if he wanted a plaything as he gets older.
 
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covmutley

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #121
I still think he will come in, at some point, in some way.

the club and stadium are of course linked, so he will be involved in some way. Perhaps he is just waiting for a particular time.
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #122
Cally Fedora said:
Ah yes, pointless semantics. Club owned by Ashley pays company owned by
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It’s not semantics. Income can be put into the holding company and if the paying company down the line is sold or closed down there’s no difference to it being stand alone
 
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Colin Steins Smile

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #123
In respect to Mike Ashley. I reckon the only reasons why he’d want to buy the club would be:
1. He’s bored and wants a football club as a distraction.
2. He would use the club to offset against his tax bill
3. He’s big mates with Lampard.
Finally, anyone estimating his wealth needs to be able to determine the level of ”available” realisable wealth against the Frasers group wealth.
 

robbiekeane

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #124
shmmeee said:
Feel free to explain how it isn’t incoherent nonsense made up to sound smart. I’ve read a lot of sales stuff and “pretend you don’t want to sell” isn’t mentioned once, but I’m sure you, a man who sells advertising services to companies has an explanation.
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Is “reading a lot of sales stuff” the extent of your negotiation experience? Literally just the concept of opening extreme, it’s really not that hard to grasp
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #125
robbiekeane said:
Is “reading a lot of sales stuff” the extent of your negotiation experience? Literally just the concept of opening extreme, it’s really not that hard to grasp
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No it’s not. But I’m not sure how you get to negotiations if you’re telling everyone interested it’s not for sale. That’s not the same thing at all.

The first step in sales is finding prospects, which involves finding people interested. The idea you pretend something isn’t for sale and you gets lots of great offers in is a nonsense. I’ve been close to companies during the exit process and never seen this.

Most serious people if they enquire and you say “fuck off” will fuck off, this isn’t Neil Strauss’ The Game where you’re negging women or something.
 
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robbiekeane

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #126
shmmeee said:
The first step in sales is finding prospects, which involves finding people interested. The idea you pretend something isn’t for sale and you gets lots of great offers in is a nonsense.
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Obviously it depends on the situation and who has the bargaining power, what you’re describing sounds like flogging avon catalogues. If you have an attractive product and have multiple interested parties than it’s a totally appropriate strategy to say you’re not actively looking so sell. Whether or not that was appropriate in this specific situation is a different conversation but to think it’s not a textbook strategy is incorrect

shmmeee said:
this isn’t Neil Strauss’ The Game where you’re negging women or something.
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i don’t even know what this means
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #127
shmmeee said:
No it’s not. But I’m not sure how you get to negotiations if you’re telling everyone interested it’s not for sale. That’s not the same thing at all.

The first step in sales is finding prospects, which involves finding people interested. The idea you pretend something isn’t for sale and you gets lots of great offers in is a nonsense. I’ve been close to companies during the exit process and never seen this.

Most serious people if they enquire and you say “fuck off” will fuck off, this isn’t Neil Strauss’ The Game where you’re negging women or something.
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robbiekeane said:
Obviously it depends on the situation and who has the bargaining power, what you’re describing sounds like flogging avon catalogues. If you have an attractive product and have multiple interested parties than it’s a totally appropriate strategy to say you’re not actively looking so sell. Whether or not that was appropriate in this specific situation is a different conversation but to think it’s not a textbook strategy is incorrect


i don’t even know what this means
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I’d just leave it at that, to be honest.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #128
robbiekeane said:
Obviously it depends on the situation and who has the bargaining power, what you’re describing sounds like flogging avon catalogues. If you have an attractive product and have multiple interested parties than it’s a totally appropriate strategy to say you’re not actively looking so sell. Whether or not that was appropriate in this specific situation is a different conversation but to think it’s not a textbook strategy is incorrect


i don’t even know what this means
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But we didn’t have multiple interested parties.

Selling anything. Companies or shampoo involves making people who might want your product aware of it and making you aware of them. There’s literal marketplaces for startups looking for an exit for example.

You’ve jumped straight over that step to the point where you’ve got those people. And even then telling them it’s not for sale isn’t the same as negotiating hard.

Hoenstly I suspect from your answers neither of you have the first clue what you’re on about. You sound like you’ve read the cliff notes of Art of the Deal and winged it from there.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #129
Sick Boy said:
I’d just leave it at that, to be honest.
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Yes I don’t think I’ll be hiring him
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #130
shmmeee said:
But we didn’t have multiple interested parties.
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Why do you think you know that?
 

Sick Boy

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #131
shmmeee said:
Hoenstly I suspect from your answers neither of you have the first clue what you’re on about. You sound like you’ve read the cliff notes of Art of the Deal and winged it from there.
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I can assure you that I’ve got a lot more expertise than you, ffs.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #132
Captain Dart said:
Why do you think you know that?
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Sure. We had loads of people interested and we used the genius tactics of telling them all to fuck off and this lead to loads of high bids. Which we then accepted.

Oh no wait, we nearly went bust and had to give the club away to a mate last minute to settle a debt. Damn. Maybe Sisu read the SBT Big Book Of Selling all wrong
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #133
Sick Boy said:
I can assure you that I’ve got a lot more expertise than you, ffs.
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Lend us your experience. How many company sales have you been involved in where you told all interested bidders the company wasn’t for sale?
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #134
shmmeee said:
Lend us your experience. How many company sales have you been involved in where you told all interested bidders the company wasn’t for sale?
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One.

You?
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #135
Sick Boy said:
One.

You?
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Ive been at two companies during the sales process and other attempted buyouts. At no point were prospective buyers told the company wasn’t for sale. Even when the founders didn’t want to sell they listened to offers that were of interest to them. Most people understand every company is for sale at some price, the question is what those terms are. Sometimes it’s clear the two are far apart early on, sometimes late on, but at no point did either company put out public statements that the company wasn’t for sale in an attempt to get a higher offer.

Generally even if you don’t want to sell having someone interested can lead to investment or other opportunities.

As I said walk us through yours where they did.
 
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Nick

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #136
hill83 said:
Hearing this is happening in the next 48 hours
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Jamie pato director of football
 

Sick Boy

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #137
shmmeee said:
Ive been at two companies during the sales process and other attempted buyouts. At no point were prospective buyers told the company wasn’t for sale. Even when the founders didn’t want to sell they listened to offers that were of interest to them. Most people understand every company is for sale at some price, the question is what those terms are. Sometimes it’s clear the two are far apart early on, sometimes late on, but at no point did either company put out public statements that the company wasn’t for sale in an attempt to get a higher offer.

Generally even if you don’t want to sell having someone interested can lead to investment or other opportunities.

As I said walk us through yours where they did.
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Yeah, im sure you were really involved in the process
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #138
Sick Boy said:
Yeah, im sure you were really involved in the process
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Believe what you want. I notice you’re still not explaining your experience. Tell us how telling buyers publicly the company wasn’t for sale lead to higher offers. I’m all ears.
 
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Levship20

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #139
shmmeee said:
Believe what you want. I notice you’re still not explaining your experience. Tell us how telling buyers publicly the company wasn’t for sale lead to higher offers. I’m all ears.
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I don’t believe any politics or clever selling comes into this.
Ultimately, does DK want to sell?
Is he finding it harder than first thought?
Has he reached as far as he can go?
Or is a 3rd party now interested due to greater stability?
One of these is key to any potential sale but what I will say, if it is DK v MA in a sale negotiation, I know who my money would be on!
 

Sbarcher

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  • Jan 19, 2025
  • #140
No point in MA getting too involved with the club at this stage. He leaves it until the 5 year agreement starts to ramp down and then has maximum leverage in any deal.
Hmmm, sounds familiar.
 
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