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Michael Byng returns (1 Viewer)

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  • Start date Nov 5, 2015
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SlowerThanPlatt

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2015
  • #1
@mbpcworldwide: Following my earlier post with everything unfolding today may I suggest everyone stays calm

Isn't this the guy who's computer crashed and couldn't send an offer for the club?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2015
  • #2
Oh yay! Just what this undoubtedly positive season needed!

Hangers on and arseholes.

I await the return of Joe and Gary on the scene with bated breath.

On behalf of all CCFC fans:

Can everyone just fuck off for this season and let Tony Mowbray get on with rebuilding the club?
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2015
  • #3
Oh good, this is getting better and better. Why can we never have nice things?

Before you know it we'll all be meeting Dhinsa for breakfast.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2015
  • #4
What earlier post?
 

Sky Blue Harry H

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2015
  • #5
wingy said:
What earlier post?
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The 'last post' - see the Daily Bugle !
 

SlowerThanPlatt

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2015
  • #6
wingy said:
What earlier post?[/QUOT

This from a few months back


@mbpcworldwide: Reviewing our position now the accounts posted. Wasps' position also exposed. For now please support CCFC and its new Manager.
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2015
  • #7
SlowerThanPlatt said:
wingy said:
What earlier post?[/QUOT

This from a few months back


@mbpcworldwide: Reviewing our position now the accounts posted. Wasps' position also exposed. For now please support CCFC and its new Manager.
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Cheers.......
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Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2015
  • #8
The colossus has arrived. I believe there is not much to say on this 'Homer' sailing the seas in the perilous Ancient Greece.

Cometh the Byng, Cometh the hour.

[video=youtube;Ev1aBt-_Zs4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev1aBt-_Zs4[/video]
 

SlowerThanPlatt

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2015
  • #9
Who was the other guy who wanted the fans to give him loads of money to buy the club? I thought it was a wind up. He posted a video on YouTube being genuinely serious
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2015
  • #10
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Who was the other guy who wanted the fans to give him loads of money to buy the club? I thought it was a wind up. He posted a video on YouTube being genuinely serious
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Is that the crowd funding guy who wanted the money to pay the rent and facilitate a return from Sixfields rather than buy the club?
 

SlowerThanPlatt

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2015
  • #11
http://youtu.be/YiGYgPsQ42k

Yeah that's the guy I'm talking about. That's the video he uploaded...
 

Ian1779

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  • Nov 5, 2015
  • #12
chiefdave said:
Oh good, this is getting better and better. Why can we never have nice things?

Before you know it we'll all be meeting Dhinsa for breakfast.
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I'm yet to have a better breakfast...
 

sw88

Chief Commentator!
  • Nov 5, 2015
  • #13
Oh Christ :facepalm:
 
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Jack Griffin

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  • Nov 5, 2015
  • #14
 

stevefloyd

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 6, 2015
  • #15
Lets hope he Byngs his cheque book
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Nov 6, 2015
  • #16
Taking the tweet at face value you would have to ask what the events are that are unfolding? or is it just SW leaving? Not sure him going is causing any particular panic - CCFC fans have become used to sharp bends in the road

Really do not see Wasps selling all or any of their interest in the Ricoh. Infact it would be harder to do now than it was before because of the details of the bond issue. I don't think Wasps have any interest in selling anything.

As for buying CCFC - there is no value to it. What few assets SBS&L group have are all charged to ARVO, massive debt, no security of tenure, no value in the squad we own and a company structure that blocks outside interest. Yes they have played better in the last three months and are high up in an average at best league. But that's about it. Without considerable investment from any potential investors (which basically would be unsecured and totally at risk) then the future is difficult even if we get promoted

Why would Wasps increase the risk to themselves or the bondholders by buying basically huge debt? For the next couple of years CCFC cant go anywhere else to play in reality - a move away from the Ricoh could possibly terminally damage the club. Why would Wasps take their eye off their core business to turn round a debt laden football club? Yes CCFC are currently averaging good crowds but what are those crowds contributing to Wasps financially day to day match by match - in the scheme of things it isn't a massive amount (ticket income goes to CCFC direct)

Also if Mr Byng is acting for investors seeking to invest in midlands football I would assume he is also looking at clubs like Villa, WBA, Wolves, Birmingham who are all up for sale and are arguably better risks. Surely he has to give these supposed money men best advice and consider what would be in their best interests.

I think we all know why SISU hold the investment in CCFC and it has nothing to do with football imo

Personally I just wish Mr Byng would stay out of it, I have so far seen nothing from him that makes me believe in him.

Just my opinion
 
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italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 6, 2015
  • #17
oldskyblue58 said:
Taking the tweet at face value you would have to ask what the events are that are unfolding? or is it just SW leaving? Not sure him going is causing any particular panic - CCFC fans have become used to sharp bends in the road

Really do not see Wasps selling all or any of their interest in the Ricoh. Infact it would be harder to do now than it was before because of the details of the bond issue. I don't think Wasps have any interest in selling anything.

As for buying CCFC - there is no value to it. What few assets SBS&L group have are all charged to ARVO, massive debt, no security of tenure, no value in the squad we own and a company structure that blocks outside interest. Yes they have played better in the last three months and are high up in an average at best league. But that's about it. Without considerable investment from any potential investors (which basically be would be unsecured and totally at risk) then the future is difficult even if we get promoted

Why would Wasps increase the risk to themselves or the bondholders by buying basically huge debt? For the next couple of years CCFC cant go anywhere else to play in reality - a move away from the Ricoh could possibly terminally damage the club. Why would Wasps take their eye off their core business to turn round a debt laden football club? Yes CCFC are currently averaging good crowds but what are those crowds contributing to Wasps financially day to day match by match - in the scheme of things it isn't a massive amount (ticket income goes to CCFC direct)

Also if Mr Byng is acting for investors seeking to invest in midlands football I would assume he is also looking at clubs like Villa, WBA, Wolves, Birmingham who are all up for sale and are arguably better risks. Surely he has to give these supposed money men best advice and consider what would be in their best interests.

I think we all know why SISU hold the investment in CCFC and it has nothing to do with football imo

Personally I just wish Mr Byng would stay out of it, I have so far seen nothing from him that makes me believe in him.

Just my opinion
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Just trying to understand this.

If CCFC has say £2M worth of assets and £50M of debt does someone have to pay £48M to obtain the club ?
Have Sisu tied up the debt somehow into the club?
If a buyer only wants to pay the £2M its worth what would be required to enable this?

If I have a house worth £100K and debts of £200K I can only sell my house for £100K.

Confused of Coventry
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Nov 6, 2015
  • #18
Don't separate the assets from the liabilities

If someone took over CCFC as it stands then they might pay £1 for the ordinary share capital (ownership)because the overall company has no value to it at all.

In fact the balance sheet value in the accounts of Otium is minus £70m+. Included in that figure there are preference shares issued too that give rights to ARVO and SBS&L (but are not ownership shares) - effectively £64m of debt

In buying the ordinary shares then the purchaser takes over the assets of the company but more importantly the liabilities & preference shares. They don't actually pay up font for the debt but take on going responsibility for servicing the debt. The creditors providing the loans etc might agree to discount those liabilities in the deal but I don't see any way that it would make the balance sheet positive.

Otium is basically worthless, and loaded with liability that makes outside interest very difficult
 
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skybluesam66

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 6, 2015
  • #19
Italia
sisu can sell the club for whatever they want to
They can sell it for £1 debt free - or they can put a price of £1billion on it

You can choose to sell your house above for £150k - but nobody will buy it
Similar situation to CCFC

What are the assets worth (maybe 10m if you take the players and golden share)
What are the debts (maybe 60m)

Now nobody will pay 60m for a 3rd division club
SISu will not accept 10m

So the real price that they would sell would probably be between the 2 - but my guess is closer to 60 than 10
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 6, 2015
  • #20
oldskyblue58 said:
Don't separate the assets from the liabilities

If someone took over CCFC as it stands then they might pay £1 for the ordinary share capital (ownership)because the overall company has no value to it at all.

In fact the balance sheet value in the accounts of Otium is minus £70m+. Included in that figure there are preference shares issued too that give rights to ARVO and SBS&L (but are not ownership shares) - effectively £64m of debt

In buying the ordinary shares then the purchaser takes over the assets of the company but more importantly the liabilities & preference shares. They don't actually pay up font for the debt but take on going responsibility for servicing the debt. The creditors providing the loans etc might agree to discount those liabilities in the deal but I don't see any way that it would make the balance sheet positive.

Otium is basically worthless, and loaded with liability that makes outside interest very difficult
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You're forgetting one thing though OSB. It's not real debt
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 6, 2015
  • #21
It wouldn't be that surprising if Byng finances a takeover and becomes the new CEO
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 6, 2015
  • #22
It would surprise the liquid shit out of me to be honest....
 

ceetee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 6, 2015
  • #23
skybluetony176 said:
You're forgetting one thing though OSB. It's not real debt
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Why isn't it real debt.?

Didn't they pay the wages with real money?
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 6, 2015
  • #24
Maybe about half of It, the rest was historical or wasted through their own failings.
Very odd how It's remained attached through an Insolvency though.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 6, 2015
  • #25
wingy said:
Maybe about half of It, the rest was historical or wasted through their own failings.
Very odd how It's remained attached through an Insolvency though.
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That's the problem, real or not if its on the books SISU, and the other related companies, either have to write it off or the new owner has to pay it.

I suspect they have a rough idea of a figure they would take to walk away. As bonkers as SISU are they can't possibly imagine they'll ever get it all back.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 6, 2015
  • #26
wingy said:
Maybe about half of It, the rest was historical or wasted through their own failings.
Very odd how It's remained attached through an Insolvency though.
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I thought the price paid for the club after insolvency finances all the creditors and the debt is effectively zeroed.
Have Sisu who were owed the money by the club just wangled it back onto the club ?
What was the point otherwise of going into administration ?
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 6, 2015
  • #27
italiahorse said:
I thought the price paid for the club after insolvency finances all the creditors and the debt is effectively zeroed.
Have Sisu who were owed the money by the club just wangled it back onto the club ?
What was the point otherwise of going into administration ?
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That's what you would normally expect but somehow we managed to end up with as much debt after administration as before it. Seems to be another thing that is unlikely to ever be properly looked into.

Think the only point of admin was getting in before ACL so they could control the process and breaking the lease.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 6, 2015
  • #28
Grendel said:
It wouldn't be that surprising if Byng finances a takeover and becomes the new CEO
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The only thing I can see that crank taking over and becoming CEO of is a window cleaning round.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 6, 2015
  • #29
fernandopartridge said:
The only thing I can see that crank taking over and becoming CEO of is a window cleaning round.
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There is something very odd about him and his relationship with the club.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 6, 2015
  • #30
ceetee said:
Why isn't it real debt.?

Didn't they pay the wages with real money?
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It's something TF once said. I was just using his quote as a joke.

OSB was the first one to point out that if it's not real debt why is it accruing interest.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 6, 2015
  • #31
Grendel said:
There is something very odd about him and his relationship with the club.
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There is, isn't there.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 6, 2015
  • #32
Grendel said:
There is something very odd about him and his relationship with the club.
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Yes he doesn't seem entirely Independent of them does he?
 
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oldfiver

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 6, 2015
  • #33
Grendel said:
It wouldn't be that surprising if Byng finances a takeover and becomes the new CEO
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Define "surprising"
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Nov 6, 2015
  • #34
So was Byng aware of this new appointment as CEO?

If he was you would have to ask why he should be ahead of the announcement
 
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Jack Griffin

Guest
  • Nov 6, 2015
  • #35
oldskyblue58 said:
So was Byng aware of this new appointment as CEO?

If he was you would have to ask why he should be ahead of the announcement
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No, his tweet was 23hrs ago, the first news was at 1pm yesterday, so around 4hrs after SW departure was public knowledge.
 
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