Messi/Suarez penalty (6 Viewers)

standupforcity · Feb 15, 2016

Never seen this before...didn't know it was legal. So why don't more teams do it!!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olL9NOcCOTk

callumeast · Feb 15, 2016

Henry and Pires tried it years back. Completely fucked it up. it is legal. But I'd suggest more people don't do it because not a lot is easier than just taking penalty.

ccfc695 · Feb 15, 2016

In theory defenders should be alert enough for anyone following up rebounds from pens and would be on top of any players trying that, that's the theory anyway

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JimmyHillsbeard · Feb 15, 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzPMvAIrtQs

I_Saw_Shaw_Score · Feb 15, 2016

Because it's Barca it's amazing blah blah blah all I've seen on social media, but if a lot of other teams did it would be seen as arrogant!

jimmyhillsfanclub · Feb 15, 2016

Johan Cruyff did the same years ago......

I'd personally say its bad sportsmanship & is there also not an argument to be had for offside?

I_Saw_Shaw_Score · Feb 15, 2016

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Johan Cruyff did the same years ago......

I'd personally say its bad sportsmanship & is there also not an argument to be had for offside?

Not offside as they are behind the ball when played.

jimmyhillsfanclub · Feb 15, 2016

I_Saw_Shaw_Score said:
Not offside as they are behind the ball when played.

Messi isn't....

I_Saw_Shaw_Score · Feb 15, 2016

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Messi isn't....

Didn't he take the penalty?

Kingokings204 · Feb 15, 2016

I don't see a problem in it. It's different and it worked. Fine by me

OffenhamSkyBlue · Feb 15, 2016

As other threads have been talking about interpretation of the Laws of the game, I'll chuck in that this should have been re-taken because Suarez was inside the D when Messi kicked the ball. A TV ref review of all angles should have disallowed that!!

Sorry!

jimmyhillsfanclub · Feb 15, 2016

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Kingokings204 · Feb 15, 2016

OffenhamSkyBlue said:
As other threads have been talking about interpretation of the Laws of the game, I'll chuck in that this should have been re-taken because Suarez was inside the D when Messi kicked the ball. A TV ref review of all angles should have disallowed that!!

Sorry!

I agree with this but it's not offside. Suarez clearly behind the ball.

standupforcity · Feb 15, 2016

OffenhamSkyBlue said:
As other threads have been talking about interpretation of the Laws of the game, I'll chuck in that this should have been re-taken because Suarez was inside the D when Messi kicked the ball. A TV ref review of all angles should have disallowed that!!

Sorry!

You can see clearly that Suarez is outside the box...the top of his head is visible and behind the line...Sorry!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olL9NOcCOTk

MatthewWallis · Feb 15, 2016

Most people don't do it because they would rather score, but Messi is a class above everyone else and isn't selfish. You wouldn't see Ronaldo doing it

Nick · Feb 15, 2016

MatthewWallis said:
Most people don't do it because they would rather score, but Messi is a class above everyone else and isn't selfish. You wouldn't see Ronaldo doing it

Why not just let somebody else take the pen then?

I_Saw_Shaw_Score · Feb 15, 2016

Nick said:
Why not just let somebody else take the pen then?

Agree, if Ronaldo passed it to Benzema it would be slated as arrogant, messi does it "isn't the little genius wonderful!"

Terry Gibson's perm · Feb 15, 2016

Does it count as a missed penalty totally arrogant and typical of that team, also when Neymar took the mickey out of the that player by flicking it over his head next time I would have tackled him it would have been round his throat.

When they showed it last night he looked in the d to me.

skybluericoh · Feb 15, 2016

They got away with it. Not clever, should have been retaken as when the ball was played the other player was definitely in the D might have even got a foot in the box. If one of ours did that I would hope TM would stop them from taking penalties in the future. Unless you were 4 nil up with only 2 mins left.

Covstu · Feb 15, 2016

Played within the rules so its a goal, don't really agree with it but I guess its similar to the amount of different free kicks going on these days,

SlowerThanPlatt · Feb 15, 2016

Would this be allowed in a play off final? Usually all the remaining players stand on the half way line

chiefdave · Feb 15, 2016

SlowerThanPlatt said:
Would this be allowed in a play off final? Usually all the remaining players stand on the half way line

Once he made the pass the penalty would be missed wouldn't it? So imagine in a shoot out at that point the ball is dead.

OffenhamSkyBlue · Feb 15, 2016

Yes in a shoot-out, the ball is dead the moment it is kicked, hence no rebounds off keeper or post are allowed.

ClarkeZ · Feb 15, 2016

Nick said:
Why not just let somebody else take the pen then?

Agreed. If it was selflessness then you just give the ball to Suarez and say, here you go mate, your hattrick awaits.
This was just humiliating a team already getting demolished.

It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, as if they don't have the respect for the team they are playing.
If Armstrong and Maddison had done this on Saturday they would be branded arrogant and silly, not amazing and genius.

skybluetony176 · Feb 15, 2016

As far as I'm aware as long as no other player encroaches the goal area before the penalty taker makes contact with the ball and the ball moves forward of the penalty spot it's perfectly legal.

hill83 · Feb 15, 2016

standupforcity said:
You can see clearly that Suarez is outside the box...the top of his head is visible and behind the line...Sorry!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olL9NOcCOTk

Outside the box yes, but in the D. The D signifies a distance of 10 yards from the penalty spot and you must be outside of it when the penalty is taken.

Sorry!

edgy · Feb 15, 2016

Don't like it at all.

Pens should be 1 v 1. A test of a players finishing against a goalies shotstopping skills.

Brylowes · Feb 15, 2016

Just the pen taker involved, only he can fuck it up, bring someone else
into the equation and it at least doubles the margin of error

SkyBlueSid · Feb 15, 2016

I see nothing wrong with what happened last night in principle. If a team wants to potentially waste a penalty, as Arsenal did in 2005, that's up to them. The only issue last night was that Suarez was in the D so it should have been retaken. Offside was not an issue as once Messi had passed it he took no further part, so not offside under current rules.

It's a pity people are being critical of this one incident, as Barca scored some incredible goals last night in a stunning second half performance. Unsurprisingly, it is the Madrid press, led by Marca, that have stirred it up, as they always do. I'm sure Barca are bothered.....

The Neymar flick over the defender may have been a piss-take, but this defender has some previous with Neymar, having licked lumps off him in other games, so clearly that's why Neymar chose to do it.

OffenhamSkyBlue said:
Yes in a shoot-out, the ball is dead the moment it is kicked, hence no rebounds off keeper or post are allowed.

Not true. The ball becomes dead when the penalty kick is concluded in a shoot out. So it could hit the bar and go in off the keeper and it would be a goal.

wingy · Feb 15, 2016

It may be permissable in the rules as was the Donkey kick until we did it.
Smacks of ungentlemanly conduct and needs to be outlawed as it's a type of deception.
It's so rare I guess it doesn't really register with the authorities but must give extra advantage V the goalkeeper as it's so unexpected, stuttered run ups do my swede in as well.

MusicDating · Feb 15, 2016

In a sport rife with diving, appealing for thrown-ins/corners when you know you've kicked it out, timewasting etc, I'm flabbergasted (just wanted to write that really...) that anyone is saying this is 'unsporting'!

Just like the panenka, it's simply a different (legit) way of scoring a penalty.

Happy_Martian · Feb 15, 2016

Great for the Barca fans, not so much for anyone else. Completely in the rules but regardless of who was playing, this was showboating. And as it was against a significantly inferior team, as someone else has said, showing a complete lack of respect for the opposition. Barca were already 3-1 up at the time of the penalty, with 10 mins left of the 2nd half to play. They didn't need to show off any more.

Happy_Martian · Feb 15, 2016

MusicDating said:
In a sport rife with diving, appealing for thrown-ins/corners when you know you've kicked it out, timewasting etc, I'm flabbergasted (just wanted to write that really...) that anyone is saying this is 'unsporting'!

But people complain about those other methods as well, they are well within reason to bemoan this.

Just like the panenka, it's simply a different (legit) way of scoring a penalty.

It is, no arguing the legitimacy of it, just the ethics of doing it.

MusicDating · Feb 15, 2016

Happy_Martian said:
But people complain about those other methods as well, they are well within reason to bemoan this.

My point is that they're all against the rules, but this isn't.

This is like a clever free-kick routine. Really don't get the annoyance.

tom88 · Feb 15, 2016

I couldn't care because I had £5.00 on Suarez to score a hattrick @ 10/1 :claping hands:

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