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ohitsaidwalker king power · Nov 9, 2013

Deleted member 5849 said:
The whole point is that a huge turnout at MK isn't proving me wrong in my belief that NOPM will fail to persuade SISU to give up on their strategy. Indeed, it encourages them to continue as it shows fans forgive and forget, hand over cash and sustain a club regardless if it hangs on in there.

Ta for the backhanded compliment mind

One thing that will (probably) happen, is the clubs that left their roots but returned (or are close to doing so completely, back to the lane where they made their name) have by far the lower gate that day, than the club that left its roots but never returned. If you were a shadowy nefarious owner, that would give you food for thought about the sticking power of crowds. Even if our club were to return, it wouldn't exactly convince our owners we mattered after all.

Might be worth pointing out as well, the day it's confirmed we'll never return is the day that hopefully we all bog off to watch Bristol Rovers v Wimbledon.

I think you can read this both ways- like with most scenarios.

Yes- I agree the extent of the support at MK affirms that the fan base is there, as such supports rudimentary marketing analysis to suggest success would indeed fill any "home" stadium. Equally though you might also conclude this is a very clear 'V' sign to the owners Northampton strategy.
Lets not forget though, those like me that choose not to go to Northampton are bloody desperate to watch our team- it might just be as simple as that with little more analysis required- we can all be gulity of over analysing everything dont you think from time to time?

I cannot consider your final point- too painful.

Norman Binns · Nov 9, 2013

Deleted member 5849 said:
The whole point is that a huge turnout at MK isn't proving me wrong in my belief that NOPM will fail to persuade SISU to give up on their strategy. Indeed, it encourages them to continue as it shows fans forgive and forget, hand over cash and sustain a club regardless if it hangs on in there.

Ta for the backhanded compliment mind

One thing that will (probably) happen, is the clubs that left their roots but returned (or are close to doing so completely, back to the lane where they made their name) have by far the lower gate that day, than the club that left its roots but never returned. If you were a shadowy nefarious owner, that would give you food for thought about the sticking power of crowds. Even if our club were to return, it wouldn't exactly convince our owners we mattered after all.

Might be worth pointing out as well, the day it's confirmed we'll never return is the day that hopefully we all bog off to watch Bristol Rovers v Wimbledon.

You've totally lost me. How does snubbing home games but going to away games in large numbers encourage SISU to continue with their misguided strategy? They've dropped a clanger and made a huge error of judgement, testified by paltry home attendances resulting in them losing money hand over fist. I don't mean to be rude or offensive, but you're talking utter bollocks.

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 9, 2013

Norman Binns said:
You've totally lost me. How does snubbing home games but going to away games in large numbers encourage SISU to continue with their misguided strategy? They've dropped a clanger and made a huge error of judgement testified by paltry home attendances resulting in them losing money hand over fist. I don't mean to be rude or offensive, but your talking utter bollocks.

It's which away game it is.

There are other places a large crowd could gather that weekend, that would convey a far more powerful message...

I don't mean to be rude or offensive, but you're a moron btw

We going to go the personal route now?

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 9, 2013

ohitsaidwalker king power said:
I think you can read this both ways- like with most scenarios.

Yes- I agree the extent of the support at MK affirms that the fan base is there, as such supports rudimentary marketing analysis to suggest success would indeed fill any "home" stadium. Equally though you might also conclude this is a very clear 'V' sign to the owners Northampton strategy.
Lets not forget though, those like me that choose not to go to Northampton are bloody desperate to watch our team- it might just be as simple as that with little more analysis required- we can all be gulity of over analysing everything dont you think from time to time?

Ta for engaging

Over analysing? Maybe, but here's one club in particular where it's probably worth avoiding.

if we were going excessively picky we could add the likes of Gillingham (Scally supported the move), Crawley (shadowy unknown owners with opaque objectives) and the like, but their dubious practices are less in the public eye.

One club that is in the public eye for such a move is MK Dons. One thing that doesn't happen is that anybody bar Coventry fans notices Coventry fans. Here was a chance to actually make a story by thinking outside the box.

Oh yeah, I'll add the edit as the 'bloody desperate to watch our team' is actually the argument for going to MK I can best understand, I can buy that as a reason for going.

stupot07 · Nov 9, 2013

Deleted member 5849 said:
It's which away game it is.

There are other places a large crowd could gather that weekend, that would convey a far more powerful message...

I don't mean to be rude or offensive, but you're a moron btw

We going to go the personal route now?

How many did we take to Carlisle?

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ohitsaidwalker king power · Nov 9, 2013

Deleted member 5849 said:
Ta for engaging

Over analysing? Maybe, but here's one club in particular where it's probably worth avoiding.

if we were going excessively picky we could add the likes of Gillingham (Scally supported the move), Crawley (shadowy unknown owners with opaque objectives) and the like, but their dubious practices are less in the public eye.

One club that is in the public eye for such a move is MK Dons. One thing that doesn't happen is that anybody bar Coventry fans notices Coventry fans. Here was a chance to actually make a story by thinking outside the box.

Oh yeah, I'll add the edit as the 'bloody desperate to watch our team' is actually the argument for going to MK I can best understand, I can buy that as a reason for going.

As per a previous post- its not lost on me given my apparent(?) principled stand of not going to Northampton, then finds me apparently(?) supporting franchise football at MK- my conscience cries "hypocrite" my son cries- "Dad I want to go to the football.. when can we go next?" - guess I'm just a dad when all said and done?

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 9, 2013

ohitsaidwalker king power said:
guess I'm just a dad when all said and done?

Nowt wrong with that either!

blend · Nov 10, 2013

I really dislike Otium they can go and fuck themselves

CJ_covblaze · Nov 10, 2013

diggerdaley said:
How many fans travel from Wimbledon to Milton Keynes now ?

Around 30 originally. It's no where near that figure now. If it's any at all it'll be single figures.

No future with SISU · Nov 10, 2013

Deleted member 5849 said:
The whole point is that a huge turnout at MK isn't proving me wrong in my belief that NOPM will fail to persuade SISU to give up on their strategy. Indeed, it encourages them to continue as it shows fans forgive and forget, hand over cash and sustain a club regardless if it hangs on in there.

Ta for the backhanded compliment mind

One thing that will (probably) happen, is the clubs that left their roots but returned (or are close to doing so completely, back to the lane where they made their name) have by far the lower gate that day, than the club that left its roots but never returned. If you were a shadowy nefarious owner, that would give you food for thought about the sticking power of crowds. Even if our club were to return, it wouldn't exactly convince our owners we mattered after all.

Might be worth pointing out as well, the day it's confirmed we'll never return is the day that hopefully we all bog off to watch Bristol Rovers v Wimbledon.

Sisu are running out of cash to keep paying the wages, each months pay day they have to find hard cash ( not figures on paper of how much they are worth) to pay the wages. The support at MK wil send a message to the team that the fans are still there.

James Smith · Nov 10, 2013

No future with SISU said:
Sisu are running out of cash to keep paying the wages, each months pay day they have to find hard cash ( not figures on paper of how much they are worth) to pay the wages. The support at MK wil send a message to the team that the fans are still there.

That's a pretty strong allegation to make, can you back that up with any proof?

BurbageSkyBlues · Nov 10, 2013

I feel it's pretty important that the players know that the supporters are still there for them. It gives them hope, and a reason to stay with the club.

Buster · Nov 10, 2013

Some are confusing " ability to pay "with willingness to pay " . No doubt Otiums bankers could carry on feeding money to the club until the cows come home ! However put yourself in their position , minimal income , a solid resistance to your ideas and what are the future prospects ? Only a fool would think that this sorry scenario will not be over until sisu ,otium , sky blue sports or whatever they want to call themselves this year are washed away into the history books . Joy and Tim have consistently played the blackmail card and we should prepare ourselves for the next one . The liquidation of the club! This is going to be the biggest battle yet with the usual suspects parading the otium banner , blaming Lucas and the council for causing it

James Smith · Nov 10, 2013

The fact that we'll be taking such a large number of supporters to MK does make a statement to SISU/CCFC/Tim/Joy. The level of support indicates that despite our move to Northampton and the low gates there, we are still prepared to support our team just not at Sixfields . We are taking this many to Milton Keynes how many would we be getting if we were back in Coventry, our home. I know a few Wimbledon fans who I've either met down here or knew before and they're all now AFC supporters and couldn't care less what happens in Milton Keynes. They are worried that we might end up like them but not bothered how many we take as it Isn't their club anymore.

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 10, 2013

Just think about the ability to extend the message beyond Coventry fans by having a huge contingent turn up at Bristol.

It's also not about what Wimbledon ans think or feel, it's about the message given out of acceptance and forgetting, and doling out cash regardless.

stupot07 · Nov 10, 2013

Agree CM, there is a sense of irony.

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bigfatronssba · Nov 10, 2013

The difference with this is MK Dons are a completely separate club to Wimbledon.

If it was 10 years ago I wouldn't be going, as then the boro of Merton had been robbed of its team. However Wimbledon now exists as a league club in the form of AFC.

We as city fans have a clear goal, get the sky blues back to the Ricoh.

Any form of boycott of MK Dons has no end goal. What do you want MK Dons to do? The people of Wimbledon certainly wouldn't want them back.

Im afraid any principled stance against MK Dons is 10 years too late.

Hobo · Nov 10, 2013

Fans will travel to support the team as we have always done but not to Northampton out of protest and hopefully hurt SISU in something they understand cash!

This is not about the club moving, we have done it 2 or 3 times already in our history. It is about where we are moving to and the transparency of the politics/motives for such a move.

Building a new stadium was never plan A for SISU, if it was they would have set their stall out years ago and would have been in a situation to win/convince a lot of fans it might have made sense.

My worry is even if they get the Ricoh what will they do next and where will that leave the club? If they don't, whether they build a new stadium or not likewise?

It is their track record pre and post being at the club which worries me. Perhaps it is just sharpe modern business practices, setting up this company dissolving that not publishing those accounts publishing these...smoke and mirrors....but to me immoral.

Someone else said on here about their use of blackmail as a negotiating tool and I think they are right. Around Christmas I would not be surprised if the threat of liquidation doesn't raise it's head in negotiations over the Ricoh.

In the meantime we have an exciting young team lead by an honest forward thinking manager.....a welcome distraction.

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 10, 2013

bigfatronssba said:
The difference with this is MK Dons are a completely separate club to Wimbledon.

If it was 10 years ago I wouldn't be going, as then the boro of Merton had been robbed of its team. However Wimbledon now exists as a league club in the form of AFC.

We as city fans have a clear goal, get the sky blues back to the Ricoh.

Any form of boycott of MK Dons has no end goal. What do you want MK Dons to do? The people of Wimbledon certainly wouldn't want them back.

Im afraid any principled stance against MK Dons is 10 years too late.

It's a stance for CCFC, showing the consequences and memories remain long after the event, as opposed to being forgotten.

Attendance at MK shows that the goal of getting back to the Ricoh will easily be compromised if something else is offered somewhere else.

bigfatronssba · Nov 10, 2013

Deleted member 5849 said:
It's a stance for CCFC, showing the consequences and memories remain long after the event, as opposed to being forgotten.

Attendance at MK shows that the goal of getting back to the Ricoh will easily be compromised if something else is offered somewhere else.

I understand what your saying, but I hope it will be interpreted the alternative way, in that all these fans want to support the club, but find it wrong to do so whilst outside of Coventry.

ohitsaidwalker king power · Nov 10, 2013

Deleted member 5849 said:
Attendance at MK shows that the goal of getting back to the Ricoh will easily be compromised if something else is offered somewhere else.

I dont think I agree with that NW. The correlation between a large away following- and "something else, somewhere else" is somewhat a leap of faith?
As before the large following to MK might just be because most are starved of football in the form of CCFC-thus desperate to see their team- that doctrine certainly fits my brief perhaps along with a more implied 'V' sign to SISU.

Ashdown1 · Nov 10, 2013

City fans want to see City play. MK for all its dubious history offers a great venue, short travel time, trouble free home support and capacity for almost as many fans as we want to take. There can be no comparisons made between this Armada of Sky Blue and the ridiculous scenario being played out in Northampton.

No future with SISU · Nov 10, 2013

James Smith said:
That's a pretty strong allegation to make, can you back that up with any proof?

Every firm has to get hard cash in to pay the wages, and no company has the cash available that the company is worth and that includes the banks.

stupot07 · Nov 10, 2013

MK a short journey? It's 16 miles further than Northampton..

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No future with SISU · Nov 10, 2013

stupot07 said:
MK a short journey? It's 16 miles further than Northampton..

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The fast train is 27 min, shorter time to milton keynes than northampton so must be classed as a short journey compared to going to northampton. If you walk it is longer.

stupot07 · Nov 10, 2013

No future with SISU said:
The fast train is 27 min, shorter time to milton keynes than northampton so must be classed as a short journey compared to going to northampton. If you walk it is longer.

Fair enough, although 5-6k+ won't be going by train so for the majority the journey will be longer.

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valiant15 · Nov 10, 2013

Im sorry but I can't take anything serious that someone who's been to sixfields comes out with. If you've been once or have a st you've all contributed to our exile from Coventry.

Norman Binns · Nov 10, 2013

stupot07 said:
MK a short journey? It's 16 miles further than Northampton..

First point, he actually said short travel time. Fastest train from Coventry to MK is 27 minutes. Fastest train from Coventry to N’ton is 32 minutes.

Second point, it’s a mere 16 miles further by road and 20 minutes more travel time to a venue that most fans want to go to as opposed to a venue that most fans don’t want to go to.

It’s a nonsensical statement really because it’s a short journey from Coventry to MK in terms of mileage and travel time. To make reference to any other town or city is irrelevant, unless of course you have another agenda.

blend · Nov 10, 2013

Deleted member 5849 said:
It's a stance for CCFC, showing the consequences and memories remain long after the event, as opposed to being forgotten.

Attendance at MK shows that the goal of getting back to the Ricoh will easily be compromised if something else is offered somewhere else.

I accept that whatever the end result for CCFC that for most fans this will be forgotten 10 years later, why wouldn't it - the world moves on. To be honest I'm not that sure that the Wimbledon fans would mind us going to MK too much. So really for me you haven't got much of a point.

Nonleagueherewecome · Nov 10, 2013

James Smith said:
That's a pretty strong allegation to make, can you back that up with any proof?

It's called an opinion-one I share, as evidenced by the increased PR effort in recent months dating back to the Seppalla "interview" with Reid. I don't think we have to "prove" our opinions, do we? Not unless we're accusing anyone of something illegal.

skybluetony176 · Nov 10, 2013

BurbageSkyBlues said:
Absolutely Norman.

My reason for going is to show Sisu what they are losing out on. It is one of the few grounds in this league that

A) will hold as many fans as we can take
B) is close enough for us to take as many fans as possible

It also represents a great experience to be part of a large following, these things are self perpetuating. This season, we are going to end up with a statistic that shows that we have averaged more fans away from home, than at home. That sends a clear message to Sisu.

You are missing out here!

just to add. i'm traveling with 6mates by train and you have to pass through Northampton to do this, the irony of this was a big factor in so many of us deciding to go. fuck you sh1tsu

James Smith · Nov 10, 2013

Nonleagueherewecome said:
It's called an opinion-one I share, as evidenced by the increased PR effort in recent months dating back to the Seppalla "interview" with Reid. I don't think we have to "prove" our opinions, do we? Not unless we're accusing anyone of something illegal.

The word "are" in the original post needed to be followed by the word "probably" as otherwise it appears to be stating a fact not an opinion. I agree that they are likely to be suffering from a lower income at Sixfields but we don't know for a fact that they are running short of cash. No one has provided any proof one way or the other about the state of the finances of our owners. I'm not defending Sisu and think that they are the worst owners we've ever had and deserve the disgust they get from us.

Nonleagueherewecome · Nov 10, 2013

James Smith said:
The word "are" in the original post needed to be followed by the word "probably" as otherwise it appears to be stating a fact not an opinion. I agree that they are likely to be suffering from a lower income at Sixfields but we don't know for a fact that they are running short of cash. No one has provided any proof one way or the other about the state of the finances of our owners. I'm not defending Sisu and think that they are the worst owners we've ever had and deserve the disgust they get from us.

Unless they've threatened to sue over the issue, it really doesn't. Nobody speaks like that IRL, James-or should I say Perry! Demanding that they do is a little restrictive and unrealistic. For example, "Otium are fucked. They're behind the 8-ball, up shit creek without a paddle and haven't got a bucket to piss in". Now, where exactly would you like me to insert the word "probably"?

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 10, 2013

valiant15 said:
Im sorry but I can't take anything serious that someone who's been to sixfields comes out with. If you've been once or have a st you've all contributed to our exile from Coventry.

I'm sure my £9 over 3 years of boycotting a SISU owned club will serve them well...

In fact, I reckon if we're doing the moralistic dick waving, me boycotting them over King, not going to Northampton apart from a recce to say how shit it was, and not giving a franchise club some cash makes me positively erect compared to your flaccid selective morals

James Smith · Nov 10, 2013

Nonleagueherewecome said:
Unless they've threatened to sue over the issue, it really doesn't. Nobody speaks like that IRL, James-or should I say Perry! Demanding that they do is a little restrictive and unrealistic. For example, "Otium are fucked. They're behind the 8-ball, up shit creek without a paddle and haven't got a bucket to piss in". Now, where exactly would you like me to insert the word "probably"?

I'd actually like all that to be true and just wanted some proof that it was. They may not have set the lawyers loose yet but that doesn't mean they don't, their love of the courts is well known.

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