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Matty godden not a championship striker (1 Viewer)

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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #71
Godden is a v good natural finisher so there’s no reason he couldn’t have an impact in the Championship!

The best finisher at the club bar none.
 
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Yorkshire SB

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #72
Everything coming together for Godden. Despite not being particularly strong or fast, he's wily enough to be involved in the rest of the game by using his strengths and knowing his weaknesses. I thought at the start of last season he struggled, but he's quickly learnt how he needs to play at this level.

The partnership with Gyokeres is vital as well, great foil for him to have a strong, athletic guy holding the ball up and getting in behind.

His finishing is outstanding. No doubt about that.
 
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SleepyGinger

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #73
SkyblueTexan said:
Agree about the 2nd goal vs Derby. 2 points robbed I say.
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He was offside to be fair
 

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shmmeee

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #74
SleepyGinger said:
He was offside to be fair
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Great angle. From iFollow looked well on. Shows how much an angle changes things.
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #75
I’d much rather see offside technology invested in and mandated at this level than goal line tech or VAR. much higher rate of return. Linos can still decide if a player is active or whatever but the basic “was he offside” stuff would be taken away and fans would have more faith.

Also offside from a FK is criminal really.
 

SleepyGinger

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #76
shmmeee said:
Great angle. From iFollow looked well on. Shows how much an angle changes things.
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Yeah I thought he was on at first also
 

fatso

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #77
Godden looks a different player when playing off a big CF, as opposed to being a single striker trying to be a loan CF.
 

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #78
Mucca Mad Boys said:
The best finisher at the club bar none.
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Only because Ponticelli left for Wrexham...


 
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Frostie

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #79
shmmeee said:
I’d much rather see offside technology invested in and mandated at this level than goal line tech or VAR. much higher rate of return. Linos can still decide if a player is active or whatever but the basic “was he offside” stuff would be taken away and fans would have more faith.

Also offside from a FK is criminal really.
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Problem is to do it accurately you'd need every inch of the pitch covered by cameras etc & even then, the ones that VAR use are no good as frame rate is incapable of judging it accurately, margin of error is around 12cm which is enormous.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #80
Frostie said:
Problem is to do it accurately you'd need every inch of the pitch covered by cameras etc & even then, the ones that VAR use are no good as frame rate is incapable of judging it accurately, margin of error is around 12cm which is enormous.
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Didn’t realise that. Is it all visual then? Reconstructs a 3D image I assume? I knew the tech existed but not the details.

Got to be the way forward though now cameras are so cheap and 120fps common.

Offside calls far more common and contentious than goal line calls.
 

Frostie

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #81
shmmeee said:
Didn’t realise that. Is it all visual then? Reconstructs a 3D image I assume? I knew the tech existed but not the details.

Got to be the way forward though now cameras are so cheap and 120fps common.

Offside calls far more common and contentious than goal line calls.
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I don't know all the ins & outs of the tech but believe VAR currently just use a still image & then 3D crosshair tech but you need to know the exact split second the ball is kicked & where everyone is positioned at that exact moment.
VAR only use 50fps cameras so you can immediately see the problem.
Apparently margin for error can be as high as 20cm! Naked eye is far better than that provided the official keeps up with play!

 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #82
Frostie said:
I don't know all the ins & outs of the tech but believe VAR currently just use a still image & then 3D crosshair tech but you need to know the exact split second the ball is kicked & where everyone is positioned at that exact moment.
VAR only use 50fps cameras so you can immediately see the problem.
Apparently margin for error can be as high as 20cm! Naked eye is far better than that provided the official keeps up with play!

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Sorry mate as a computer scientist I won’t have humans are better

120FPS is double the “refresh rate” of the human eye and a computer can look in two places at once. Maybe the current tech is bad but I could see a near future where it’s superhuman in terms of what it could detect.

I reckon 8 high res 120FPS cameras and some decent machine learning could do the job.

Id also argue that if attackers are meant to be given the benefit of the doubt then the posted example should be onside as it’s within the margin on error, but that’s another discussion.
 

Frostie

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #83
shmmeee said:
Sorry mate as a computer scientist I won’t have humans are better

120FPS is double the “refresh rate” of the human eye and a computer can look in two places at once. Maybe the current tech is bad but I could see a near future where it’s superhuman in terms of what it could detect.

I reckon 8 high res 120FPS cameras and some decent machine learning could do the job.

Id also argue that if attackers are meant to be given the benefit of the doubt then the posted example should be onside as it’s within the margin on error, but that’s another discussion.
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Ha ha, well yes of course if you have the tech capable then sure. The problem at the minute is they're judging somebody's toenail offside by millimetres with tech that simply isn't capable of that accuracy.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #84
Not a tech guy so more a query.

Couldn't they just take a camera and have one person running full speed in one direction and another person in the opposite and then measure the difference in distance between the two between two frames? Then use that as the margin of error? Would allow for the margin of error while giving the striker the benefit of the doubt.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #85
Frostie said:
Ha ha, well yes of course if you have the tech capable then sure. The problem at the minute is they're judging somebody's toenail offside by millimetres with tech that simply isn't capable of that accuracy.
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Exactly so the call should benefit the attacker IMO. It’s like speed cameras and the old “10% + 2” thing which I think was because of the tolerance in the cameras themselves. VAR shouldn’t be making calls that the tech can’t support.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #86
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Not a tech guy so more a query.

Couldn't they just take a camera and have one person running full speed in one direction and another person in the opposite and then measure the difference in distance between the two between two frames? Then use that as the margin of error? Would allow for the margin of error while giving the striker the benefit of the doubt.
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I mean this isn’t exactly complicated physics, you know the speed and trajectory of all objects there’s no reason you couldn’t calculate where things were between frames.
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #87
Frostie said:
Ha ha, well yes of course if you have the tech capable then sure. The problem at the minute is they're judging somebody's toenail offside by millimetres with tech that simply isn't capable of that accuracy.
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It makes officials lazy as well - you only have to see what is happening in cricket and also its frequently still as contentious and drags games out.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #88
Would it be better if cameras could be fitted to the edge of the stand roof on a track and programmed to remain in line with the last defender? You at least then aren't trying to work out a correct angle.
 

Frostie

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #89
Grendel said:
It makes officials lazy as well - you only have to see what is happening in cricket and also its frequently still as contentious and drags games out.
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Totally agree. Linos/Assistants in the PL are pretty much pointless now.
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #90
Frostie said:
Totally agree. Linos/Assistants in the PL are pretty much pointless now.
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Quite a few lower down who are useless too TBH. Swansea comes to mind.
 

NortonSkyBlue

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #91
Technology is great, no doubt, should stop the lampard goal situation occurring and with VAR available is should clear up the obvious errors in judgement so Ronaldo would have walked not once but twice in successive home games and the hugging and shirt tugging in the penalty area is caught bang to rights.
It is still subject to interpretation which leads to inconsistencies.
I would love there to technology that would be available to make decisions on throw ins. It reached a pandemic in the Swansea game and on Saturday the ref and female assistant just kept looking at each other to choose the team which was going to get the throw In.
On a personal note I think that they should publish recordings/transcripts of what the players are saying/shouting to the officials. I can think of a few rants that would have been worth listening to this season including the Mitrovic episode.
 

Skyblueweeman

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #92
clint van damme said:
The spreadsheets out!
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Just read this thread and saw Gs comment and thought immediately of the spreadsheet!!

Most DEFINITELY has one with filters for each user and things G has taken umbrage with over the years or things he things are plain wrong.
 
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djr8369

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #93
Skyblueweeman said:
Just read this thread and saw Gs comment and thought immediately of the spreadsheet!!

Most DEFINITELY has one with filters for each user and things G has taken umbrage with over the years or things he things are plain wrong.
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What a sad little man.

Ooh, that’s me logged again.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #94
shmmeee said:
I’d much rather see offside technology invested in and mandated at this level than goal line tech or VAR. much higher rate of return. Linos can still decide if a player is active or whatever but the basic “was he offside” stuff would be taken away and fans would have more faith.

Also offside from a FK is criminal really.
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Let's just stick with paying a trained professional to make the calls
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #95
fernandopartridge said:
Let's just stick with paying a trained professional to make the calls
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We’ll never get to fully automated luxury communism with that attitude!
 
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thekidfromstrettoncamp

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #96
Getting back to Matty he has a great strikers brain .Something that makes up for speed his anticipation is great and very hard to shift off the ball.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #97
shmmeee said:
I’d much rather see offside technology invested in and mandated at this level than goal line tech or VAR. much higher rate of return. Linos can still decide if a player is active or whatever but the basic “was he offside” stuff would be taken away and fans would have more faith.

Also offside from a FK is criminal really.
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Huge amount of money
 
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robbiethemole

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #98
In answer to the OP, yes he is a championship striker, and one quite a few other clubs would like leading their line, I bet Peterboro wish they'd kept him
 

hill83

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #99
I’d take errors over var or any other bollocks all day. Even when it goes against us. Goal line is instant so the only one that works properly for me.
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #100
hill83 said:
I’d take errors over var or any other bollocks all day. Even when it goes against us. Goal line is instant so the only one that works properly for me.
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Same here, look at premier games a team scores a goal half of their supporters have to wait 5 minutes to see if they can cheer or not
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #101
hill83 said:
I’d take errors over var or any other bollocks all day. Even when it goes against us. Goal line is instant so the only one that works properly for me.
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I just think fundamentally offside isn’t really possible for a human to judge properly in most cases. They need to be looking in two places at once. At the very least a little buzzer that goes off when the ball is played forwards or something.

Or just cut all the crap and go back to clear offsides and benefit of the doubt. All this armpit offside crap goes against the spirit of the game IMO. They seem to have managed to make it harder with all the rule changes.
 
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stupot07

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #102
SleepyGinger said:
He was offside to be fair
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He looked off from the highlights angle to me. That image really shows what a brilliant decision the lino made to be fair.

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #103
shmmeee said:
I just think fundamentally offside isn’t really possible for a human to judge properly in most cases. They need to be looking in two places at once. At the very least a little buzzer that goes off when the ball is played forwards or something.

Or just cut all the crap and go back to clear offsides and benefit of the doubt. All this armpit offside crap goes against the spirit of the game IMO. They seem to have managed to make it harder with all the rule changes.
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We know the reason
 

rob9872

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #104
I don't mind close decisions being right or wrong by human error rather than var but happy to see some of the glaring errors eradicated where someone is miles off or on. O think the rule should be clear and obvious changes only and if you can't see it one viewing the on field decision stands.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 8, 2021
  • #105
rob9872 said:
I don't mind close decisions being right or wrong by human error rather than var but happy to see some of the glaring errors eradicated where someone is miles off or on. O think the rule should be clear and obvious changes only and if you can't see it one viewing the on field decision stands.
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I wonder if it might work better with a 'challenge' system like there is in cricket and tennis. A team gets 3 chances to challenge a decision of their choosing and loses one for every failed appeal.
 
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