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Transfer Rumour Matt Grimes (1 Viewer)

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PVA

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  • Jan 29, 2025
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I'd imagine the extra 5k per week was more of a pull than the manager tbh.
 
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BackRoomRummermill

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #1,297
shmmeee said:
Love this place when we’ve won three in a row.
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and a penalty shoot out win to start it all off
 

baldy

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #1,298
TomRad85 said:
It wasn't. One team went up one didn't, one goes though to the next round, one doesn't. Champions league finals and World Cup finals have been won on pens. Key word.. won.
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How'd they get to penalties in the first place?
 

David O'Day

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #1,299
baldy said:
How'd they get to penalties in the first place?
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the tie wasn't over
 
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SkyblueTexan

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #1,300
Ccfcisparks said:
Assuming Sheaf and MVE go in the summer.

keep bta
Loan out Bassette
Get rid of Collins, Tavares, burroughs, JDS, Binks

Get in a new RB
new LB
Extend Allen’s contract a year
New CM
New RW
Big CB

and go again for another year
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I think Binks can improve and become a better defender. Burroughs deserves a chance to show his worth. If not, maybe another loan might be needed. Might be tempted to sell Sheaf and try to keep MVE. For some reason I’m still on the fence about Simms who hasn’t scaled the heights of last season. Feel we should’ve maybe tried to get Whittaker in exchange, but that ship has sailed. Agree on most of the other things.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #1,301
SkyblueTexan said:
I think Binks can improve and become a better defender. Burroughs deserves a chance to show his worth. If not, maybe another loan might be needed. Might be tempted to sell Sheaf and try to keep MVE. For some reason I’m still on the fence about Simms who hasn’t scaled the heights of last season. Feel we should’ve maybe tried to get Whittaker in exchange, but that ship has sailed. Agree on most of the other things.
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Burroughs contract is up in the summer
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #1,302
Chicken Mcgraw said:
At some point, King is going to have to stop losing his best players year after year. We need to progress. Losing 2 of MVE, Sheaf and Wright would be a disaster
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Doubt it will ever happen it’s the only way we will fund transfers
 
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baldy

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #1,303
SkyblueTexan said:
I think Binks can improve and become a better defender. Burroughs deserves a chance to show his worth. If not, maybe another loan might be needed. Might be tempted to sell Sheaf and try to keep MVE. For some reason I’m still on the fence about Simms who hasn’t scaled the heights of last season. Feel we should’ve maybe tried to get Whittaker in exchange, but that ship has sailed. Agree on most of the other things.
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I'd rather keep Bassette tbh - yes BTA's in a tiny bit of form but he's a headless chicken & his finishing's woeful - much rather develop Norm
 
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procdoc

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #1,304
If Ben Sheaf got back to last seasons form then him and Grimes together would be quality at this level
 
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TomRad85

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #1,305
David O'Day said:
the tie wasn't over
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People seem to misunderstand that knockout football is different to league football. The objective is to go through, there are no draws.
 

TomRad85

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #1,306
procdoc said:
If Ben Sheaf got back to last seasons form then him and Grimes together would be quality at this level
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I was thinking Sheaf would leave but does he get a better move than us atm? I don't think so. Maybe he stays and hopefully picks up his old form.
 

ceetee

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #1,307
TomRad85 said:
I was thinking Sheaf would leave but does he get a better move than us atm? I don't think so. Maybe he stays and hopefully picks up his old form.
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He might get a move to a team that can win without drawing first
 

ceetee

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #1,308
Sorry, Couldn't resist
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #1,309
TomRad85 said:
I was thinking Sheaf would leave but does he get a better move than us atm? I don't think so. Maybe he stays and hopefully picks up his old form.
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someone would take a punt on him, just because of how good he has been in the past
 

TomRad85

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #1,310
David O'Day said:
someone would take a punt on him, just because of how good he has been in the past
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What kind of offer would we accept though? He's probably the hardest player to judge the value of right now.
 
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rexo87

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #1,311
biggest problem with Sheaf is his injury record. He’s missed at least 10 games of each season with us through injury. Teams will forgive a few games of bad form when looking at him but will they look past 10-15 games out every season?
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #1,312
TomRad85 said:
What kind of offer would we accept though? He's probably the hardest player to judge the value of right now.
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yeah, not sure we'd get the 8 figure fee we would of got before this season

still we look like we are signing a player who is at least his equal and who misses less games abate one who is older which will soften any blow of him leaving
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #1,313
TomRad85 said:
People seem to misunderstand that knockout football is different to league football. The objective is to go through, there are no draws.
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According to the laws of the game penalties are a method of tie breaking for the purposes of requiring a winner but the match is still a draw.
 
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Pusb1

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #1,314
anyone know how we’re actually affording this deal?

on one hand the Vic money is long gone, and rumours that we’re skint.

The next we’re offering Swansea’s captain a long term deal. Spending 4 million and increasing his already large salary?

Make it make sense
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #1,315
Pusb1 said:
anyone know how we’re actually affording this deal?

on one hand the Vic money is long gone, and rumours that we’re skint.

The next we’re offering Swansea’s captain a long term deal. Spending 4 million and increasing his already large salary?

Make it make sense
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Selling BTA
 

Lamps

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #1,316
Pusb1 said:
anyone know how we’re actually affording this deal?

on one hand the Vic money is long gone, and rumours that we’re skint.

The next we’re offering Swansea’s captain a long term deal. Spending 4 million and increasing his already large salary?

Make it make sense
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There's more money to come from selling Gyokeres.

Most transfers are not paid in full at the date the player moves. Most are paid over a minimum of 2 years with the terms being part of the negotiations. IIRC Hyam went for a lower fee than had been offered before, and part of the reason was the full fee was paid at the time.

We are owed many millions. We owe many millions. Also more millions to come from the next Gyokeres move. But we rarely get to know the full terms of each deal. We don't even know how much every player is bought/sold for.
 
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rob9872

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #1,317
Not sure why everyone is desperate to use this as a reason for others to depart. I'd say we now have good options all over the park and adequately backed up with the exception of full back. Add some strength in depth there and no reason we can't make a challenge for one of those two remaining play off spots.
 
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Terry_dactyl

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #1,318
Pusb1 said:
anyone know how we’re actually affording this deal?

on one hand the Vic money is long gone, and rumours that we’re skint.

The next we’re offering Swansea’s captain a long term deal. Spending 4 million and increasing his already large salary?

Make it make sense
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We’re massive.
 
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skybluegod

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #1,319
rob9872 said:
Not sure why everyone is desperate to use this as a reason for others to depart. I'd say we now have good options all over the park and adequately backed up with the exception of full back. Add some strength in depth there and no reason we can't make a challenge for one of those two remaining play off spots.
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We still need a CB as well. A short term loan for a RW would be good as well as Tats hasn't looked the same this year.

I'm not personally sure that Grimes transforms this team instantly, but is a very big piece of the puzzle.
 
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oakey

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #1,320
TomRad85 said:
People seem to misunderstand that knockout football is different to league football. The objective is to go through, there are no draws.
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There are draws. We used to do replays so that one team could win. Now we don't have the patience for that so we do tie breaks. We could just flip a coin but the drama of penalty shoot outs is box office.
The game which preceded the penalties was and will always be ... a draw.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #1,321
skybluegod said:
We still need a CB as well. A short term loan for a RW would be good as well as Tats hasn't looked the same this year.

I'm not personally sure that Grimes transforms this team instantly, but is a very big piece of the puzzle.
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The CBs will be fine once the get better protection in front of them. Thomas and Kitching looked pretty good when sheaf was playing his best football in front of them.
 
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Lamps

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #1,322
oakey said:
There are draws. We used to do replays so that one team could win. Now we don't have the patience for that so we do tie breaks. We could just flip a coin but the drama of penalty shoot outs is box office.
The game which preceded the penalties was and will always be ... a draw.
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A draw somebody has to win
 
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skybluegod

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  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #1,323
David O'Day said:
The CBs will be fine once the get better protection in front of them. Thomas and Kitching looked pretty good when sheaf was playing his best football in front of them.
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They had a good 7/8 game period but they haven't consistently shown they can work as a pair. Admittedly this season they haven't had much opportunity bar Norwich (??). I'd be happily proven wrong and have consistently said we need to allow young players to grow into their roles. But if we are serious about promotion we need a top quality option.
 

SkyblueTexan

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  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #1,324
baldy said:
I'd rather keep Bassette tbh - yes BTA's in a tiny bit of form but he's a headless chicken & his finishing's woeful - much rather develop Norm
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Bassette hasn’t done much recently either although he’s been reduced to cameos. With BTA, his finishing was terrible, but I’m hoping something has clicked over the last couple of games. He drops back and tries to win the ball when we are pressed and Simms needs to learn to do that as well instead of just standing around ball watching. Ever since we lost Wright to injury, we haven’t had a reliable scorer. Yet in a way I think it bodes well in that EMC, BTA, Torp, Rudi etc have all chipped in to score. I feel Grimes is one of the last few missing jigsaw pieces we’ve been playing a long time without.
 

Skybluedownunder

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  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #1,325
Lamps said:
There's more money to come from selling Gyokeres.

Most transfers are not paid in full at the date the player moves. Most are paid over a minimum of 2 years with the terms being part of the negotiations. IIRC Hyam went for a lower fee than had been offered before, and part of the reason was the full fee was paid at the time.

We are owed many millions. We owe many millions. Also more millions to come from the next Gyokeres move. But we rarely get to know the full terms of each deal. We don't even know how much every player is bought/sold for.
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We would have bought players on the same arrangement.

The math of what we raised by selling Gyokeres and Hamer lines up with the incoming players


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

robbiekeane

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  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #1,326
Lamps said:
There's more money to come from selling Gyokeres.

Most transfers are not paid in full at the date the player moves. Most are paid over a minimum of 2 years with the terms being part of the negotiations. IIRC Hyam went for a lower fee than had been offered before, and part of the reason was the full fee was paid at the time.

We are owed many millions. We owe many millions. Also more millions to come from the next Gyokeres move. But we rarely get to know the full terms of each deal. We don't even know how much every player is bought/sold for.
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i think you’re confusing cash flow with financial position
 
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Lamps

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  • Jan 30, 2025
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robbiekeane said:
i think you’re confusing cash flow with financial position
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Cash flow? Never mentioned a thing about cash flow.
 

Lamps

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  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #1,328
Skybluedownunder said:
We would have bought players on the same arrangement.

The math of what we raised by selling Gyokeres and Hamer lines up with the incoming players


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Yes it does approximately. But as I stated we also have another big payment due when Gyokeres moves again. That will be this summer at the latest.
 

torchomatic

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  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #1,329
TomRad85 said:
I was thinking Sheaf would leave but does he get a better move than us atm? I don't think so. Maybe he stays and hopefully picks up his old form.
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Stoke City's Ben Sheaf.
 
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Deity

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  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #1,330
torchomatic said:
Stoke City's Ben Sheaf.
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I’m sure Robins would love him but it would be Sheaf giving up on his Premier League aspirations and I’m not sure why he would choose that path.
 
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