Skyblue Bangkok
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McAllister was miles better than Grimes .
McAllister was miles better than Grimes .Yes indeed. We signed him at 31 for £3 million back in the 1995/6. He was probably our best player for 4 seasons but we refused to give him a decent extension at 35. He then went to Liverpool on a free. One of the worst bits of business we ever did to let him go. He then played some 80 odd games for Liverpool and had some of his best career form.
So just shows if a player looks after himself, stays relatively injury free, mid thirties is not anything to be too concerned about. At 36/7 he was running the midfield of Liverpool!!
I think we should get plenty out of Grimes.
He signed a year later... and he really wasn't our best player.Yes indeed. We signed him at 31 for £3 million back in the 1995/6. He was probably our best player for 4 seasons but we refused to give him a decent extension at 35. He then went to Liverpool on a free. One of the worst bits of business we ever did to let him go. He then played some 80 odd games for Liverpool and had some of his best career form.
So just shows if a player looks after himself, stays relatively injury free, mid thirties is not anything to be too concerned about. At 36/7 he was running the midfield of Liverpool!!
I think we should get plenty out of Grimes.
We were trying to sign Browne in the summer who’s the same age as Grimes. I’ve said all along that we need more experienced players in the squad but I don’t think it’s true there’s a policy where we won’t even consider them.
My point was not compare to McAllister vs Grimes as players. Obviously Macca was a much better player. The point is players can play at a high level well into their mid thirties if they look after themselves.McAllister was miles better than Grimes .
Don’t bring nuance into it
Haven’t continued to throw millions on players after spending 40-45m and increasing wage bill significantly and trying to make the club sustainable - haven’t got a pot to piss in
Not signed a loan this year even though we tried in the summer and also signed two last year that Robins didn’t really use regularly - King refuses to sign players on loan
Tried to sign older player who decided to go to another club - king doesn’t want to sign older players
There is obviously a model we are operating but that doesn’t mean that for the right players we wouldn’t move away from that. It’s not black or white. People just make up their own narratives to suit though.
People forget but we did have loans last year in Binks and Yasin.Not sure that rumours we were trying to sign a loan but didnt actually signed one proves we are trying to sign loans.
Again, we're the only club in the league without one, it's not that difficult to get them.
And you're right about people making up their own narratives!
Is the lack of a loan even that much of problem though or was it just one of many things people were latching on to because we were playing shit?Not sure that rumours we were trying to sign a loan but didnt actually signed one proves we are trying to sign loans.
Again, we're the only club in the league without one, it's not that difficult to get them.
And you're right about people making up their own narratives!
Not sure that rumours we were trying to sign a loan but didnt actually signed one proves we are trying to sign loans.
Again, we're the only club in the league without one, it's not that difficult to get them.
And you're right about people making up their own narratives!
But there’s a bit more nuance to it. Would king maybe go that extra yard for a new manager who hasn’t signed any players yet, yes. Was king maybe nervous about signing loans when last year one got recalled/sent back and the other (who was on a very good salary) only played half the games, again yes
Does it mean king was refusing to sign any loans or older players, no
Is the lack of a loan even that much of problem though or was it just one of many things people were latching on to because we were playing shit?
We look ok atm. Bring in Grimes, get EMC and Wright back, we look very good on paper. Wouldn't say no to another couple of players to help us out, whether that's loan or perm though.
Well I don't agree. And that's backed up by what Saddles has said. Again, I appreciate that doesn't mean it's true.
I agree, has to be smart though. Imo a lot of loans in this league are pretty duff and seem almost done just for the sake of it.At the moment I'd say no, and along as we give Lampard what he needs then alls well.
But if money is tight, and I've never called for King to splash money we haven't got, then it's potentially another avenue of recruitment that we shouldn't ignore.
We're the only team in the league without a loanee, so it's not a myth.
And it's clear there's something behind his unwillingness to sign experience players as we've stripped the squad of them
Hopefully with the contract given to Bidwell and this signing (which hopefully goes through), he's seen sense.
One of the reasons I started to come round to the idea of Lampard is I thought King might be more likely to listen to a 'name'. I've no idea if that is the case but it seems plausible to me.
I agree, has to be smart though. Imo a lot of loans in this league are pretty duff and seem almost done just for the sake of it.
It could be that the right opportunity hasn't arrived when it comes to loans. Also why has the praise quickly evaporated for having a team full of permanent players I do wonder sometimes. We are in a great position these days
As for age I think it'd a good thing to have a policy. But the odd exception is ok and hopefully that's what king is thinking
Having a squad full of permanent is the ideal scenario.
But if you're short in certain areas, as we clearly are, what's wrong with loans as a stop gap?
I dongbthink our success rate in the Championship has been to bad. But any player incoming is a risk.
At least you can always fuck them off Ayari style if they're not up to it
Will say loans aren’t free and clubs often have to pay wages for the player. In this case maybe we could have got three loan players but at the cost of the wages to offer Grimes. Huge balancing actNothing. I was open to rak sakyai coming in. I'm just not sure if king is against it or not as much as it's been said that's all
Ayari is an example of us fucking it imo and not the playerI dongbthink our success rate in the Championship has been to bad. But any player incoming is a risk.
At least you can always fuck them off Ayari style if they're not up to it
Would go stage back, failure to secure a more ready hamer replacment was issue, Ayari should have supplemented that. We then could have used him better.Ayari is an example of us fucking it imo and not the player
Look what he's doing for Brighton in orem less than 12 months later. No way it's about player improvement in that time. Robins admitted he never really gave him a chance because he couldn't take the risk
Dennis Wise wasn't a bad signing eitherExactly! Gary McAllister was running games in the premier league at 35/36. Sometimes you need to invest in players for the here and now and not always think about sell-on value
Maybe we’ve just been waiting for the right player. It’s not that we’re anti loan/experience - just that we’ve identified certain players and they haven’t come off and we’d rather wait for what’s better than waste cash on fillers.
Not sure how trying to sign a loan only to be dashed by an injury isn't proof we'll sign loans if needed.Well I don't agree. And that's backed up by what Saddles has said. Again, I appreciate that doesn't mean it's true.
Ayari is an example of us fucking it imo and not the player
Look what he's doing for Brighton in orem less than 12 months later. No way it's about player improvement in that time. Robins admitted he never really gave him a chance because he couldn't take the risk
Exactly! Gary McAllister was running games in the premier league at 35/36. Sometimes you need to invest in players for the here and now and not always think about sell-on value
Not sure how trying to sign a loan only to be dashed by an injury isn't proof we'll sign loans if needed.
We don't have a loan player as it fell through, King also loaned players last year.
According to the Swansea Independent medical at 1pm signing todaysigning today?
Ayari is an example of us fucking it imo and not the player
Look what he's doing for Brighton in orem less than 12 months later. No way it's about player improvement in that time. Robins admitted he never really gave him a chance because he couldn't take the risk
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