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PVA

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  • Nov 1, 2024
  • #71
skybluecam said:
People aren't concerned about having a £4m player on the bench, they're concerned that we paid £4m for a player who doesn't look like he's worth anywhere near that much.

I'm not writing him off but it's definitely concerning.
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That’s a different argument, and I don’t disagree with that.

But I have seen some people moaning at having expensive players on the bench as though it’s a bad use of funds.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 1, 2024
  • #72
He has no role in the system we're playing unless the idea is to repurpose him as a wing back.
 
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AOM

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  • Nov 1, 2024
  • #73
Brighton Sky Blue said:
He has no role in the system we're playing unless the idea is to repurpose him as a wing back.
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I don't think the formation also helps Sakamoto really, as I'm not convinced he can play in that wingback role as well as his normal position.
Prefer Wright out on the left as well, but we're probably sticking with this set up now until at least Bidwell is back and results are what matter at the end of the day
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 1, 2024
  • #74
clint van damme said:
If we stick with yesterday's formation I'm not sure where he fits in.
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LWB same as everyone else.
 
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skybluecam

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  • Nov 1, 2024
  • #75
Brighton Sky Blue said:
He has no role in the system we're playing unless the idea is to repurpose him as a wing back.
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I doubt the plan is to stick with 5 back long term. Otherwise we'd need to reprofile the squad again.
 
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SkyBlueChris

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  • Nov 1, 2024
  • #76
skybluecam said:
People aren't concerned about having a £4m player on the bench, they're concerned that we paid £4m for a player who doesn't look like he's worth anywhere near that much.

I'm not writing him off but it's definitely concerning.
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Should only be as concerning as Gyokeres, Wright and Simms (who were all older) were in their first quarter of a season with us... they came good and he'll come good aswell I'm sure, he has time on his side!

Trust the process and have some patience (difficult i know!).
 
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stevefloyd

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  • Nov 1, 2024
  • #77
Jamesimus said:
We shopped at Poundland, and spent 4 million odd pounds on a “punt”, who by all metrics, did really well in League One last season? Strange analogy
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Not really, he may come good but our best players of recent years have come from Prem clubs and top division in Hamers case.
The over inflated price of lower league players is not good although there are some good talented players out there who can make the step up but if we are genuinely looking at being promoted our so called talent spotters have to do better than the likes of Kitching and EMC who may yet turn out good but for 4 to 5 million you would expect a more finished player ...lets hope they progress
 
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ProfessorbyGrace

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  • Nov 1, 2024
  • #78
Whichever way you look at it, £4.5 mil was a risky and inflated deal for EMC.

Was it £4.5m up front, does anyone know?
 

curly_tom

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  • Nov 1, 2024
  • #79
stevefloyd said:
Not really, he may come good but our best players of recent years have come from Prem clubs and top division in Hamers case.
The over inflated price of lower league players is not good although there are some good talented players out there who can make the step up but if we are genuinely looking at being promoted our so called talent spotters have to do better than the likes of Kitching and EMC who may yet turn out good but for 4 to 5 million you would expect a more finished player ...lets hope they progress
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There was a phase last season when everyone was loving Kitching, he has been less good the last few months but he may come good. I think it's way too early to be writing off EMC as you say. I agree that 4-5 mil for League 1 players is a risk when they have not been tested. I suppose it's a calculated risk when you buy these players, if one of 3/4 League One players sells for big money then they'll be worth it.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Nov 1, 2024
  • #80
ProfessorbyGrace said:
Whichever way you look at it, £4.5 mil was a risky and inflated deal for EMC.

Was it £4.5m up front, does anyone know?
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32 goal contributions from the wing is not a risky deal. We’re writing off a player who just needs to find his feet, the same was said about Wright and Simms this time last year.

They turned good and I believe EMC will too.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Nov 2, 2024
  • #81
SkyBlueChris said:
Should only be as concerning as Gyokeres, Wright and Simms (who were all older) were in their first quarter of a season with us... they came good and he'll come good aswell I'm sure, he has time on his side!

Trust the process and have some patience (difficult i know!).
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Simms is a couple of years younger than EMC.
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 2, 2024
  • #82
Sick Boy said:
Simms is a couple of years younger than EMC.
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So was Vik. Wright was the same age.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 2, 2024
  • #83
shmmeee said:
So was Vik. Wright was the same age.
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Yeah but apart from that.
 
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fatso

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  • Nov 2, 2024
  • #84
PVA said:
Our fans: We need to stop scrimping and invest in the squad, we need more depth – the squad is too small

Also our fans: Why have we got a player worth £4m on the bench? What a waste of funds
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Not exactly true, we actually have a player we paid over £4m for on the bench, the evidence (so far) would suggest he's no where near good enough for that valuation.

We do need depth to the squad of course, but that depth needs to be challenging for a start, and pushing the players in front of them to keep their form and give 100% every game.

As it stands, our squad is carrying players like Collins, EMC, Raphael, Allen and Tavares, who (as of today, and obviously when fit) arnt really challenging anybody.

(Before anyone has a hissy fit, there's 1 or 2 mentioned above that still have time to turn things round)
 
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Jamesimus

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  • Nov 2, 2024
  • #85
stevefloyd said:
Not really, he may come good but our best players of recent years have come from Prem clubs and top division in Hamers case.
The over inflated price of lower league players is not good although there are some good talented players out there who can make the step up but if we are genuinely looking at being promoted our so called talent spotters have to do better than the likes of Kitching and EMC who may yet turn out good but for 4 to 5 million you would expect a more finished player ...lets hope they progress
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Still think it was a strange analogy as he hardly came at a Poundland price and his record in League 1 was very good!

Can’t really argue that the price of lower league players can be inflated though. Would have been nice to have the finished article / someone who hits the ground running but he hasn’t really been given a consistent run yet.

Even players in the top leagues can sometimes take a whole season to find their feet. I think given the attributes I’ve seen from him so far, I’m fairly convinced he’ll eventually come good if he’s given the opportunity with us…
 
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hopesprings

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  • Nov 2, 2024
  • #86
Grendel said:
How can you develop someone at 25 when your view is to increase his value for sale when you have already spent a considerable amount?

If someone worked for me and was given a significant oay rise I wouldn’t be asking him to do the photocopying.
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Sporting seem to have done ok with one of there signings !! I think he was about 24 cost about 20 mill and has now developed into a super star worth apparently £80 million ..cant remeber his name though
 

ProfessorbyGrace

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  • Nov 2, 2024
  • #87
Mucca Mad Boys said:
32 goal contributions from the wing is not a risky deal. We’re writing off a player who just needs to find his feet, the same was said about Wright and Simms this time last year.

They turned good and I believe EMC will too.
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Who is righting him off? Certainly not me, in fact a few pages ago I believe I stated that EMC just needs time.

In my opinion, it was risky, as the gulf between the Championship and L1 is ever growing, and EMC is 25 and played only at a lower level.

£4.5 mil just seems, imo, a huge financial gamble on such a player.

The players that you mentioned came from top tier clubs, and Simms has never been prolific in his career to date. That too, imo, was a gamble. One that Sunderland didn’t fancy taking, despite Simms scoring 7 goals on loan there.
 

stevefloyd

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  • Nov 2, 2024
  • #88
Jamesimus said:
Still think it was a strange analogy as he hardly came at a Poundland price and his record in League 1 was very good!

Can’t really argue that the price of lower league players can be inflated though. Would have been nice to have the finished article / someone who hits the ground running but he hasn’t really been given a consistent run yet.

Even players in the top leagues can sometimes take a whole season to find their feet. I think given the attributes I’ve seen from him so far, I’m fairly convinced he’ll eventually come good if he’s given the opportunity with us…
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My analogy actually meant buying players from a lower division, not meaning the price paid. If we had paid £4 million or so from a equal to us or higher division its less of a punt because we would know if they can cut it in a higher division so for the cost alone it appears that Dougs had his pants pulled down but as I said before he may well come good but its a risky game for that sort of money..To end this maybe I should have said we should be shopping at Harrods but ended up at CO OP
 
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Jamesimus

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  • Nov 2, 2024
  • #89
stevefloyd said:
My analogy actually meant buying players from a lower division, not meaning the price paid. If we had paid £4 million or so from a equal to us or higher division its less of a punt because we would know if they can cut it in a higher division so for the cost alone it appears that Dougs had his pants pulled down but as I said before he may well come good but its a risky game for that sort of money..To end this maybe I should have said we should be shopping at Harrods but ended up at CO OP
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Haha I like it. Doug thought he was in Harrods so paid Harrods prices, but was actually in Co-Op
 
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stevefloyd

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  • Nov 2, 2024
  • #90
Jamesimus said:
Haha I like it. Doug thought he was in Harrods so paid Harrods prices, but was actually in Co-Op
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Got there in the end
 
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Cally Fedora

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  • Nov 2, 2024
  • #91
Why are we obsessed with his role in a first 11. What happens if Wright is injured or Sakamoto? He can play on both flanks and through the middle. A very useful addition. The form will come - he’s good enough.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 2, 2024
  • #92
shmmeee said:
LWB same as everyone else.
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Warwickhunt

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  • Nov 2, 2024
  • #93
When he came on today I thought that he has lost weight and looked match fit at long last
 
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Skyblue_CP

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  • Nov 2, 2024
  • #94
Warwickhunt said:
When he came on today I thought that he has lost weight and looked match fit at long last
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Lost weight? The guys built like a brick shithouse, not an ounce of fat on him.
 
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PVA

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  • Nov 2, 2024
  • #95
Did well when he came on
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Nov 2, 2024
  • #96
Skyblue_CP said:
Lost weight? The guys built like a brick shithouse, not an ounce of fat on him.
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Losing weight doesn't necessarily mean losing fat.
 
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skybluecam

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  • Nov 2, 2024
  • #97
Looked sharper today, unlucky not to score? Didn’t seem to be much in the foul given before he put it in the net.
 
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lord_garrincha

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  • Nov 2, 2024
  • #98
Sick Boy said:
Losing weight doesn't necessarily mean losing fat.
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Exactly... how many world greats carry Larry Holmes' bulk?
 

Skyblue_CP

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  • Nov 2, 2024
  • #99
Sick Boy said:
Losing weight doesn't necessarily mean losing fat.
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I knew someone would make this point, but i doubt the OP was intimating that he was too jacked.
 

Jamesimus

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  • Nov 2, 2024
  • #100
I bet as an elite sports person, he’s near enough the exact same weight he was a month ago.
 
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eastwoodsdustman

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  • Nov 3, 2024
  • #101
I mentioned that he looked lighter yesterday. He did seem a bit muscle bound when he first came in.
on the flip side he might just have sized up his shirt.
 

Sky_Blue_Daz

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  • Nov 3, 2024
  • #102
I think he can develop it a real threat at this level. He really needs a goal though Same can be said for Bassette
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Nov 3, 2024
  • #103
It might be the black shirt that makes him look trimmer, might start wearing more black tops myself
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 3, 2024
  • #104
Gynnsthetonic said:
It might be the black shirt that makes him look trimmer, might start wearing more black tops myself
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Likely
 
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PVA

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  • Nov 3, 2024
  • #105
Didn't seem to be a lot wrong with his disallowed goal, would have been a nice confidence booster for him.
 
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