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shmmeee

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #701
SlowerThanPlatt said:
You’re giving facts out from transfermrkt.com while saying the exact same site is making up stuff
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This is a terrible argument. The site I work for does terrible valuations because valuing is hard but also has hard facts from datasets that exist.

You’re all over the place here.
 
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ccfchoi87

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #702
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Notts County had a ‘better’ 46-game season than us that year...

They’re 6th in the National League, we’re 4th in League 1. It doesn’t matter if you come 4th or 7th in L2 if you win the playoffs.
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Agreed.
 
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ccfchoi87

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #703
shmmeee said:
This is a terrible argument. The site I work for does terrible valuations because valuing is hard but also has hard facts from datasets that exist.

You’re all over the place here.
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Do you think the figures on Transfermrkt are accurate?

Also do you think our ‘budget’ is small for this league?
 

Evo1883

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #704
usskyblue said:
FUCKINELL

You can tell it’s a Cov forum when we’re having a brilliant season and people still aren’t fuckinghappy

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It's not just that... Its the same people every time, also the same people who make threads calling for sackings etc.

I genuinely don't understand what they want from the manager at this football club.

I truly believe that years of absolute shit has warped their minds into such a negative state that they struggle to drag themselves into a positive mindset at all.

I watch the club home and away, I've attended 198 of the last 209 league matches home and away... To me, Robins is the best manager we've had for years and without him there is a chance we could have slipped into non league had we carried on hiring managers and recruiting players in the same manner
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #705
shmmeee said:
This is a terrible argument. The site I work for does terrible valuations because valuing is hard but also has hard facts from datasets that exist.

You’re all over the place here.
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Its not a valuation - the site hasn’t been updated since he moved to Stevenage for that much I think which was over 3 years ago
 

Irish Sky Blue

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #706
Grendel said:
For the record Jimmy Hill had a zero win ratio in the top flight didn’t he?
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No. He stayed on until Cantwell was appointed in the October of 1967. We had a really difficult start to life in the first division.Gould, the leading scorer from the promotion season was out injured for a long time. George Curtis broke his leg in the 4th minute of the second game. There were still two wins in the opening sequence of results when JH was still manager.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #707
ccfchoi87 said:
Do you think the figures on Transfermrkt are accurate?

Also do you think our ‘budget’ is small for this league?
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I think websites have data of varying quality and you can’t use one dataset you prove the veracity of another.

That is literally the entirety of my argument.
 

usskyblue

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #708
I think it’s fair to say this thread went up its own arse...
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #709
shmmeee said:
I think websites have data of varying quality and you can’t use one dataset you prove the veracity of another.

That is literally the entirety of my argument.
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It’s not been updated for 3 years since he moved to Stevenage - I would therefore suggest it’s not very reliable
 
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ccfchoi87

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #710
shmmeee said:
I think websites have data of varying quality and you can’t use one dataset you prove the veracity of another.

That is literally the entirety of my argument.
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But in summary, you don’t think it’s a reliable source to prove how much money we have spent on players?

That is the entirety of our argument.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #711
ccfchoi87 said:
But in summary, you don’t think it’s a reliable source to prove how much money we have spent on players?

That is the entirety of our argument.
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Nope. The post I replied to was using valuations (an original dataset created by an algorithm) with sales prices (often reported in the press). As least I thought it was. If not then ignore me.
 

Irish Sky Blue

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #712
Liquid Gold said:
Very few think Robins is doing anything but an excellent job but to give him messiah status based on metrics that show he's had more favourable conditions than many other managers in our recent history is odd, even if he did allow those conditions to flourish.
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Having to play home games 20 miles away from our city in front of less than half the crowds we would be getting at the Ricoh isn’t favourable. In reality we haven’t had a home game this year.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #713
SlowerThanPlatt said:
It’s not been updated for 3 years since he moved to Stevenage - I would therefore suggest it’s not very reliable
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It has his move to us?



Even talking freshness you can’t compare two datasets.
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #714
Irish Sky Blue said:
Having to play home games 20 miles away from our city in front of less than half the crowds we would be getting at the Ricoh isn’t favourable. In reality we haven’t had a home game this year.
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But I thought the notion was that St Andrews would suit our playing style and if we returned to the Ricoh we wouldn’t be doing as well?
 
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ccfchoi87

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #715
shmmeee said:
Nope. The post I replied to was using valuations (an original dataset created by an algorithm) with sales prices (often reported in the press). As least I thought it was. If not then ignore me.
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You are correct. However, the poster using the valuations is simply showing how wrong that particular site is. You’re right that it is not entirely relevant but that does not mean the site should be used in factual discussions.
 

Evo1883

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #716
The argument is getting tedious now.

Silly almost
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #717
shmmeee said:
It has his move to us?

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Even talking freshness you can’t compare two datasets.
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I am referring to his market value here which seems to be last updated when he went to Stevenage

Matt Godden - Market value over time
 
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ccfchoi87

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #718
Evo1883 said:
The argument is getting tedious now.

Silly almost
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Especially when people accuse you of saying things you haven’t.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #719
ccfchoi87 said:
You are correct. However, the poster using the valuations is simply showing how wrong that particular site is. You’re right that it is not entirely relevant but that does not mean the site should be used in factual discussions.
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As a Data Scientist for a website that provides data, I can assure you that’s not a sensible conclusion.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #720
SlowerThanPlatt said:
I am referring to his market value here which seems to be last updated when he went to Stevenage

Matt Godden - Market value over time
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Again, you can’t compare two datasets. It could be that they realised the AVM was miles off (they often are) and stopped updating it. We literally did the same thing on my site.
 
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ccfchoi87

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #721
shmmeee said:
As a Data Scientist for a website that provides data, I can assure you that’s not a sensible conclusion.
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So you think transfermarkt should be used a reliable source for transfer fees?
 

Evo1883

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #722
Over the last 3 years can supporters deny that the club has developed an identity on the field... "Coventry city, they play good football, out from the back, they recruit young players mostly to develop "

The difference from the day he took over to now is not just a decent effort is it, its outstanding.

I enjoy watching football again, I look forward to match day, I genuinely have a team that I believe in, I see us as a team to beat... We are competing, we are a good side.


What on earth is wrong with some supporters I do not know, 3 years ago you craved this, and now you have it it's not enough.... Bizarre
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #723
Evo1883 said:
I genuinely don't understand what they want from the manager at this football club.
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I do agree with this. Off the field is a car crash. On the field we've never had it so good for just about 20 years!
 
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usskyblue

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #724
Robins isn’t going anywhere, and rightly so**




**If we go on a 10 game losing streak...I’ll drive the fuckingtaxi
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #725
ccfchoi87 said:
So you think transfermarkt should be used a reliable source for transfer fees?
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I think you should check it against what’s known. From what I’ve seen it seems as good as any other source. There’s always some issues with opaque data like that. What do they do for undisclosed fees that aren’t confirmed? Do they guess? (Goes to check)

edit: checked Maddison which I don’t think was confirmed but the value seems OK for what I’d expect.

Colour me unsure.
 

Irish Sky Blue

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #726
Grendel said:
You do realise without Pressley we’d probably now be bankrupt and that Robins transfer revenue last season was largely due to his predecessors
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Robins bought in McNulty and Chaplin and sold them on for a huge profit. George Thomas played his best football under Robins when he returned to the club and the club were compensated by Leicester. He introduced Bayliss into the team against the judgement of some of the coaching staff and 18 months later he is sold for £2 million. He got fees for Stevenson and Harries, one who plays in the fourth division and the other seeming to make little impact at Swansea. All revenue generated by his own good management but which you put down to his predecessor.
You can see the same things happening again with players who had little value last season, McCallum, Shipley,Westbrook for example now having financial worth. Give credit where it’s due.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #727
shmmeee said:
I think you should check it against what’s known. From what I’ve seen it seems as good as any other source. There’s always some issues with opaque data like that. What do they do for undisclosed fees that aren’t confirmed? Do they guess? (Goes to check)
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It'll be revealed in the accounts eventually (but not just the next one, if we pay in installments!), and I'd be interested to know who among us thinks we'd actually end up with a net spend on transfers in those accounts.
 
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ccfchoi87

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #728
shmmeee said:
I think you should check it against what’s known. From what I’ve seen it seems as good as any other source. There’s always some issues with opaque data like that. What do they do for undisclosed fees that aren’t confirmed? Do they guess? (Goes to check)

edit: checked Maddison which I don’t think was confirmed but the value seems OK for what I’d expect.

Colour me unsure.
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They just put a ‘?’ and then don’t add it to the final totals for each team. One poster was quoting the final totals as proof of our expenditure.
 

covcity4life

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #729
Think this just a case of old people wanting to say it was better in their day
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #730
ccfchoi87 said:
They just put a ‘?’ and then don’t add it to the final totals for each team. One poster was quoting the final totals as proof of our expenditure.
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Ah OK. I’ll go back to lurking.
 

Evo1883

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #731
Well... Time to log off SBT for a few days lol
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #732
ccfchoi87 said:
They just put a ‘?’ and then don’t add it to the final totals for each team. One poster was quoting the final totals as proof of our expenditure.
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Do you think we've spent more than we've received this season?
 
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ccfchoi87

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #733
Evo1883 said:
What on earth is wrong with some supporters I do not know, 3 years ago you craved this, and now you have it it's not enough.... Bizarre
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Can you find me a quote of someone saying it’s not enough?
 
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ccfchoi87

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #734
Deleted member 5849 said:
Do you think we've spent more than we've received this season?
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No
 

Evo1883

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #735
ccfchoi87 said:
Can you find me a quote of someone saying it’s not enough?
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Well I can't no, I can however tell you it's clear as day who does and who doesn't truly appreciate the job being currently done at the club.

Hard to deny that
 
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