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Pre Premier League, I'm pretty sure Graham Taylor and John Toshack both took teams from 4th tier to top tier.
Bill Dudgen wasn’t it?Northampton Town were promoted from 4th Division to 1st Division under 1 manager in 1960s. Unfortunate he also took them some of the way back down again
Dave BowenBill Dudgen wasn’t it?
Yes, thanks. Just checked. Can’t believe I got it wrong - lived on Northampton for 35 years, and have loads of Cobblers mates - oops.Dave Bowen
I think they went from 4th to 1st then 1st to 4th in consecutive seasons.Some feat!Yes, thanks. Just checked. Can’t believe I got it wrong - lived on Northampton for 35 years, and have loads of Cobblers mates - oops.
On the way up I think they spent more than 1 season in Div 3 & Div 2 and on the way down had 2 seasons in Div 3I think they went from 4th to 1st then 1st to 4th in consecutive seasons.Some feat!
We played them in the old Second Division as they were on the way down to the 3rd and we were gaining promotion to the first. We beat them 2-0 at Highfield Road, only the second game I had been to.
It’s hard to believe that the old County Ground was able to accommodate top flight footballI think they went from 4th to 1st then 1st to 4th in consecutive seasons.Some feat!
We played them in the old Second Division as they were on the way down to the 3rd and we were gaining promotion to the first. We beat them 2-0 at Highfield Road, only the second game I had been to.
It was an awful ground TBF. Went several times in the sixties, one or two city games, and a few when a mate was playing for them. He ended up at VS though!It’s hard to believe that the old County Ground was able to accommodate top flight football
my old man went to both games in Division 2. Stood on the cricket side. Said it was like watching games back in Dublin when he was kid (his dad was a coach at Home Farm FC)
Draw and we put a sack over his statueNot saying it is a pivatol game tonight, but win and it's statue, lose and it's sack.
Still some idiots want him gone LOLHaven't seen it mentioned anywhere but according to Transfermarkt Saturday v Cardiff was Robins' 200th game in charge during his 2nd spell. Happy to be corrected but figured it was more reliable than Wikipedia. Makes it 233 in total I believe which is amazing in the modern era, especially with what he's achieved in that time.
Long live the king!
Yay!!Draw and we put a sack over his statue
I did an Otis joke!
How much goodwill has mark robbins got left ? He’s done a fantastic job and on the whole had us playing some wonderful football . But there is some dissension amongst the fans, particularly with his stubbornness to formation changes and substations . I personally think we will stay up which is all anyone of us could of hoped for at the beginning of the season
Thankfully the Robins Out mob are in the minority. You have to read their hyperbolic comments on the match day threads to realise they know nothing about footballWe could lose every game for the rest of the season and he'd still have my backing.
Love it, hilariousSee, the great man knows the way to our hearts
And lets not forget beating the mighty Bayern 2-1 at home and ignoring the fact they thrashed us 6-1 in Germany with the help of McManusMy memory might be playing old age tricks, but IMO some of the best football we have played was in that season. Cantwell took us into Europe winning 10 away games. We avoided relegation the previous season, seeing Leicester go down in the process.
I know fuck all about football but I luv him.Thankfully the Robins Out mob are in the minority. You have to read their hyperbolic comments on the match day threads to realise they know nothing about football
Robins has one massive advantage which a lot of others didn’t - unequivocal backing by his clubs management - I doubt since Hill was manager that has actually happened much.
So are you saying stability actually helps Managers succeed?
No I’m saying that he’s had the opportunity to purchase who he wants and also hasn’t had too much interference on players being sold under him
Sisu have generally meddled both ways with most managers
Prior managers often had Players sold without knowledge under other owners as well
Also we stayed up in the 80’s on a few occasions exactly as we did fire people
So considering he has won a cup final and gained two promotions it has helped him succeed.
Considering it is his first season in the Championship he has only had two transfer windows on a very limited budget to succeed. Plus there is the lag of contracted players leaving who were bought for League 1 or even League 2.
Most promoted teams to the Championship struggle first season or get relegated.
If you look at most teams that are successful they have continuity wth managers.
A really good example was Joe Royle at Oldham.
It's a false causality. It's the success that bring the stability, because you don't change something that's working. Plenty of times a manager change has arrested a poor run of results and potentially changed the outcome.
Look at the amount of times we changed a manager in the top flight. Then the season we went down we kept with Strachan who'd been in charge five years. If stability brought success why did that happen? (Admittedly he did have to deal with interference from the board in selling Keane etc, as did other managers who were looking to build a decent team and always having players sold, though that could be just as much the player wanting the move)
Why would anyone ever change a manager as all you need to do is wait long enough for it to click? Why do we change players in the transfer market? Surely all we need to do is keep the same players and eventually that would lead to success?
Joe Royle had a couple of mid table finishes due to injuries but Oldham kept faith and he got them promoted.
Also the bounce factor Grendel refers to is a myth as an 18 year study of German football showed. Sacking a manager may not improve results at all and can get worse. Any improvement with struggling sides is very short lived before they return to previous form
Anyone that says otherwise is detached from realityAlso to add to this, he won a league whilst playing away from Coventry ... And will possibly keep us in the championship too away from Coventry.
That only adds to my belief that he is easily one of our greatest ever managers
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