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Mark Robins, a manager saying it like it is. (3 Viewers)

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Sick Boy

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  • Sep 30, 2012
  • #36
Nonleagueherewecome said:
Saw the first ep. I couldn't help but thinking that it will be to Rodgers career what the other docs were to Taylor and Reid? Massive OG. Enjoyable viewing, though!
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It certainly didn't do much for Phil Neal's career!
 

Nonleagueherewecome

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 30, 2012
  • #37
CCFC said:
Yea I can sort of understand Mcdonald to an extent as Robins has a system he wants to play and Mcgoldrick is deservedly ahead of Mcdonald at the moment, we could change formation to accommodate both but that is a different issue.

I am also concerned about the CB partnership an that he has picked Sheff for all his games
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Agreed on Sheff.

But the other big positive is that yesterday he acknowledged that his system wasn't working-"we weren't gaining anything by having a spare man in midfield". And the Cody Formation is kinda this:

---Baker--Bailey--Henderson--------
-----McGoldrick-------------Fleck---
---------\----Cody-----------------

I like slightly lop-sided formations like this, it takes the opposition manager bloody ages to work out how to counter it (if he can work out what's going on).

We get the benefit of two strikers at times with McGoldrick narrow from the right and Baker wide as a RCM.

Essentially losing the "hole" player gives the RW and LW much, much more freedom, which has been seen with McGoldrick getting much more space against Carlisle when we switched to it, and Fleck popping up in pockets of space effectively at Oldham. The "base" of 3 CM's-albeit with Baker shunted wide from that role-gives the widemen that freedom. It does what these formations profess to do, but seldom deliver-451 when defending, 433 when attacking.

It also ensure's we don't waste a player in a position I utterly despise in this division as it simply isn't needed-the deep lying DMC.

I call it the 4-2-1-1-1-1
 

Nonleagueherewecome

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 30, 2012
  • #38
Sick Boy said:
It certainly didn't do much for Phil Neal's career!
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Yes, boss :claping hands:
 

WillieStanley

New Member
  • Sep 30, 2012
  • #39
Nonleagueherewecome said:
What's worrying is that players have come and gone yet the cycle remains. Lets hope Robins is the man who breaks the pattern. He certainly seems more astute and less one-dimensional than Aidy "you must play 15 first team games before you allowed to change with the first team" Boothroyd!
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Where Boothroyd came unstuck there was that King waltzed straight into the first team dressing room and had Jordan Clarke cleaning his boots. Where's the consistancy. I have no issues with managers being strict, especially when you've got a staff team consisting of Shaw and Carsley who seem to want to be "One of the lads". Balance and consistancy is the key.

You might have Robins saying that it was the worst game he'd ever seen but we'll take the points but you've also got the other coaches building the lads up "This is what he's looking for, if you just add this/work on this"

I have every faith in the staying power of this regime, but I guess only time will tell.

One Aidy legacy I hope we've kept is "Mini-Coventry" at away games. I loved that idea and think it could really work at this level, where we should be intimidating other sides.
 
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Tonylinc

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 30, 2012
  • #40
"Mini Coventry"? what is all that about?
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 30, 2012
  • #41
singers_pore said:
To be fair it's easy for a new manager to "tell it how it is". If he says we are cr@p it just means that "I have inherited a poor team from the previous manager so don't blame me." I will be more impressed if he is still "telling it how it is" in six months time.
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Agreed, but it's a good start, rather than coming in and fellating everyone from the off.
 
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bishbosh

New Member
  • Sep 30, 2012
  • #42
From my reading of Robins' interviews I am thinking we may have a manager to stop the slide. I liked the fact that in the Oldham report he saw that 4-5-1 wasn't doing the job and changed formation: do we have a manager who knows what he's doing? Plus in these early stages he can tell people how bad things are.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 30, 2012
  • #43
bishbosh said:
From my reading of Robins' interviews I am thinking we may have a manager to stop the slide. I liked the fact that in the Oldham report he saw that 4-5-1 wasn't doing the job and changed formation: do we have a manager who knows what he's doing? Plus in these early stages he can tell people how bad things are.
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Pretty much-we're after a manager who is proactive in matches and has us taking the initiative rather than hanging around and waiting to concede before being sparked into doing anything (cough, Thorn).
 
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psgm1

Banned
  • Sep 30, 2012
  • #44
Cov bt Oldham - one of the few teams as poor as coventry. 3 games, 2 excessively poor performances and one satisfactory one. How is #2 any better than shaw?

SISU totally messed up the selection process by making a short list that included someone who everyone knew wouldn't get then job and another who was not prepared to take the job for what SISU were offering.

That left Mark Robbins -#2. Even SISU didn't consider him the best for the job, and there is no difference in the team's performance.

You could argue shaw got more out of the team because under him they beat a team in a higher league!

#2 has brought in 4 players since joining - despite saying that the team had quality throughout, and going on record as saying he did his homework before taking the job.

From what I've seen, he certainly doesn't inspire me with confidence. For me he is definitely the wrong man for the task. Hopefully I will be proven wrong, and he totally transforms the team, but I have seen absolutely no evidence that he has the ability to do that.

SISU's operation blue square seems on track still
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 30, 2012
  • #45
psgm1 said:
That left Mark Robbins -#2. Even SISU didn't consider him the best for the job, and there is no difference in the team's performance.
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1. You don't know that
2. There has been a difference - we seem more up for it
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 30, 2012
  • #46
psgm1 said:
You could argue shaw got more out of the team because under him they beat a team in a higher league!
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What a ludicrous comment, i think you are forgetting the 4 league losses on the bounce afterwards...
 

WillieStanley

New Member
  • Sep 30, 2012
  • #47
psgm1 said:
Cov bt Oldham - one of the few teams as poor as coventry. 3 games, 2 excessively poor performances and one satisfactory one. How is #2 any better than shaw?

SISU totally messed up the selection process by making a short list that included someone who everyone knew wouldn't get then job and another who was not prepared to take the job for what SISU were offering.

That left Mark Robbins -#2. Even SISU didn't consider him the best for the job, and there is no difference in the team's performance.

You could argue shaw got more out of the team because under him they beat a team in a higher league!

#2 has brought in 4 players since joining - despite saying that the team had quality throughout, and going on record as saying he did his homework before taking the job.

From what I've seen, he certainly doesn't inspire me with confidence. For me he is definitely the wrong man for the task. Hopefully I will be proven wrong, and he totally transforms the team, but I have seen absolutely no evidence that he has the ability to do that.

SISU's operation blue square seems on track still
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Sorry mate, you're either a WUM or you're so angry at SISU you're deluded in your bias.
 

WillieStanley

New Member
  • Sep 30, 2012
  • #48
For away matches, they would stick loads of Coventry City scarves, posters, badges, pictures etc in and around the dressing room. This was to stamp our authority on the stadium and claim it as our own, also to intimidate the opposition. I think it worked for a while, we went to a few bannana skin grounds and came back with 3 points!
 

Sky Blues

Active Member
  • Oct 1, 2012
  • #49
psgm1 said:
Cov bt Oldham - one of the few teams as poor as coventry. 3 games, 2 excessively poor performances and one satisfactory one. How is #2 any better than shaw?

SISU totally messed up the selection process by making a short list that included someone who everyone knew wouldn't get then job and another who was not prepared to take the job for what SISU were offering.

That left Mark Robbins -#2. Even SISU didn't consider him the best for the job, and there is no difference in the team's performance.

You could argue shaw got more out of the team because under him they beat a team in a higher league!

#2 has brought in 4 players since joining - despite saying that the team had quality throughout, and going on record as saying he did his homework before taking the job.

From what I've seen, he certainly doesn't inspire me with confidence. For me he is definitely the wrong man for the task. Hopefully I will be proven wrong, and he totally transforms the team, but I have seen absolutely no evidence that he has the ability to do that.

SISU's operation blue square seems on track still
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There is a logic paradox in your suggestion. If Sisu are idiots then logically their #1 choice is flawed. Therefore, #2, the option not picked by idiots, would actually be more suitable for the club than the #1 choice.
 
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Steve.B50

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 1, 2012
  • #50
I agree it was a terribe match and we were very poor. Cannot handle many like that away and I dred to think what a decent team will do to us.
Could not believe that our own fans were booing a City player again, I agree McShefery was rubbish again but just do not clap him when he goes off we should never boo our own players.
 

covcity4life

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 1, 2012
  • #51
agreed OP

had we beat oldham under thorn like this we would have heard

"the lads gave me 100%, never gave up, battled it out, so happy and looking forward to mk dons"

robins is more like worst game ever,we cant pass,we were shit,well take the points but i expect imrpovement

i am liking robins!
 
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Ashdown

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 1, 2012
  • #52
The usual knee jerk reactions I see. We were shit, Oldham were shitter, one swallow and all that. I'm happy with the win but the team selection was appalling, the centre backs atrocious, Sheffers his usual ineffective plodder, Robins says they were shit.........big deal, he's proved nothing yet !!
 

Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 1, 2012
  • #53
Ashdown said:
The usual knee jerk reactions I see. We were shit, Oldham were shitter, one swallow and all that. I'm happy with the win but the team selection was appalling, the centre backs atrocious, Sheffers his usual ineffective plodder, Robins says they were shit.........big deal, he's proved nothing yet !!
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It doesn't matter how bad we played, 3 points is what will improve the situation and now we have that 1st win, hopefully we'll build on it for MK Dons and Bournemouth (and obviously the whole season).

On CBs, Wood is probably our best, Brown shouldn't play but Cameron is still not 100% and Edj isn't that great, Malaga I would start, but if he can't speak English it can cause problems!

McSheff is only starting until Fleck gets back as he STILL isn't 100% hence why he's been coming off the bench. He has been really shit so far!
 

I'mARealWizard

New Member
  • Oct 1, 2012
  • #54
SkyBlue_Taylor said:
It doesn't matter how bad we played
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Clearly you and I differ greatly about what acceptable standards are appropriate for a team from the Championship.

Whilst not expecting to be in the top 6, languishing within the relegation zone and giving that kind of performance for a new manager (when players usually buck up their ideas) does matter.

It matters a great deal.
 

Nonleagueherewecome

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 1, 2012
  • #55
I'mARealWizard said:
Clearly you and I differ greatly about what acceptable standards are appropriate for a team from the Championship.

Whilst not expecting to be in the top 6, languishing within the relegation zone and giving that kind of performance for a new manager (when players usually buck up their ideas) does matter.

It matters a great deal.
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But what about what's acceptable for a team in League One? We may be "from" the Championship, but was are also from the Premiership, and from Division III South!
 

Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 1, 2012
  • #56
I'mARealWizard said:
Clearly you and I differ greatly about what acceptable standards are appropriate for a team from the Championship.

Whilst not expecting to be in the top 6, languishing within the relegation zone and giving that kind of performance for a new manager (when players usually buck up their ideas) does matter.

It matters a great deal.
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3 points no matter how you get them is acceptable.

Performance was, from what I heard, bad, but last year we've played well and got beat. Performance only supplements the result.
 

Diehard Si

New Member
  • Oct 1, 2012
  • #57
We won ugly. We came strong at the end of the game for a change. This may have been down to tactics, a strong bench (Fleck, Cody) and fitness. Or all of the above.

Robins changed the pattern and the players and it worked.

Negatives are that we were still useless for most of the game. Possession retention is the issue again. We always give it away and get hit hard on counter attack.

That said, scrappy league 1 games are not good for ball retention anyway.

Clean sheet and a win tho, all that counts.
 

Black6Osprey

New Member
  • Oct 1, 2012
  • #58
An away win is great and all that really matters is the 3 points. Yes, both central defenders were IMO very poor and clearly think they are better than they are with some dreadful distribution and terrible decision making. We need to get it sorted and quickly if we really want to get away from the bottom of the table. We did look like we could get something during the last 20 minutes and I was thinking at the time that if the game was about 10 minutes longer we would get the win. Then we went and stuck it in anyway and I immediately wanted the game to be 1 minute longer. Sheff was okay and I'm not sure why he's getting such a kicking for this particular game but I suppose after recent performances anything less than majestic will be seen as shit. Cody and Fleck both made an impact and I hope both start tonight but I suppose that depends on Flecks fitness. Bailey who I know is quality did well and stuck the boot in as well as trying to pass it (you can only pass it well if your team mates show for the ball). I would like to see Malaga come back in for Brown (I think Robins will keep it the same though) but I don't rate Edge so it would appear we are stuck with Wood as I don't see Cameron coming back in just yet. Henderson did nothing for me again so I hope if he plays tomorrow he steps it up a bit, but again if you are hoping for movement and trying to find team mates you are only as good as the players you are trying to pass to. Moussa clearly doesn't need to pass so has an advantage in that respect and I think will do well for us.
 

covcity4life

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 1, 2012
  • #59
whata bout your mate fleck who is rubbish despite his great cameos vs yeovil and oldham?
 

Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 1, 2012
  • #60
covcity4life said:
whata bout your mate fleck who is rubbish despite his great cameos vs yeovil and oldham?
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On what grounds is he rubbish?

He's got 2 assists with barely any game time...

(If your comment is sarcastic I take that back)
 

covcity4life

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 1, 2012
  • #61
SkyBlue_Taylor said:
On what grounds is he rubbish?

He's got 2 assists with barely any game time...

(If your comment is sarcastic I take that back)
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it was sarcasm but its to someone who really called fleck rubbish
 

Black6Osprey

New Member
  • Oct 1, 2012
  • #62
covcity4life said:
whata bout your mate fleck who is rubbish despite his great cameos vs yeovil and oldham?
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I assume you're talking to me?

As I stated before he did okay at Yeovil (lets not go mad) and since he came back from his few games off injured (not an entire season) he has been poor. I said prior to Saturday, and I quote " I'm not saying Fleck can't get better but if he doesn't play well I'm not going say he's great" and at Oldham he improved the situation but again the game was that bad my dead for 30 years gran could have breathed more life into the game that what was on display. So he did okay and deserves another chance. I'm not saying he is now the best player ever nor the worst. Only time will tell how good he is but if you want to say he's great even if he 's not then that's up to you.
 

covcity4life

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 1, 2012
  • #63
my issue is mopre with you saying other loanees that you have not seen WILL BE GREAT
 

Black6Osprey

New Member
  • Oct 1, 2012
  • #64
covcity4life said:
my issue is mopre with you saying other loanees that you have not seen WILL BE GREAT
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The crime of having an opinion. I am guilty ma lud.

And I now feel a restraining order is needed as how do you know what I have and haven't seen.
 
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SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 1, 2012
  • #65
Black6Osprey said:
The crime of having an opinion. I am guilty ma lud.

And I now feel a restraining order is needed as how do you know what I have and haven't seen.
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An ill informed knee jerk opinion which was made after very little football for Fleck
 

Black6Osprey

New Member
  • Oct 1, 2012
  • #66
CCFC said:
An ill informed knee jerk opinion which was made after very little football for Fleck
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How is saying someone was poor who played poorly an ill informed reaction?

If he plays well or poorly tomorrow (if he plays) then I will say what I see Roy, I'll say what I see.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 1, 2012
  • #67
covcity4life said:
it was sarcasm but its to someone who really called fleck rubbish
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I thought it was sarcasm, but then I thought, a few on here think that so. I take it back, but it applies to those who hold that.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 1, 2012
  • #68
Black6Osprey said:
I assume you're talking to me?

As I stated before he did okay at Yeovil (lets not go mad) and since he came back from his few games off injured (not an entire season) he has been poor. I said prior to Saturday, and I quote " I'm not saying Fleck can't get better but if he doesn't play well I'm not going say he's great" and at Oldham he improved the situation but again the game was that bad my dead for 30 years gran could have breathed more life into the game that what was on display. So he did okay and deserves another chance. I'm not saying he is now the best player ever nor the worst. Only time will tell how good he is but if you want to say he's great even if he 's not then that's up to you.
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You have said he's rubbish, and ok, he hasn't been a class act yet, but nontheles has shown he has a bit of class about him! He has, in less than (approx) 180m assisted 2 and Cody had 2 juicy crosses for him from Fleck, his service is better than all we have atm, and to think he still isn't 100% it gives you a lot of hope.

In short, to say he is rubbish at this stage, is laughable to be honest!
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 2, 2012
  • #69
Black6Osprey said:
How is saying someone was poor who played poorly an ill informed reaction?

If he plays well or poorly tomorrow (if he plays) then I will say what I see Roy, I'll say what I see.
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Yes and it was poor. So as I said he is poor at present meaning he could get better. But I can't say he's good after one and half poor games and to be honest I don't think he will be good but again that's my opinion and I wait for him to change my mind.
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You have every right to have an opinion on how he played in a particular game which I will not argue with as you were at the games

However I think it is knee jerk an ill informed to form a general opinion and judge the overall quality player of the player after 2 games
 
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psgm1

Banned
  • Oct 2, 2012
  • #70
For once I m agreement with a coventry city manager! It also sort of puts to rest that a manager must always put a positive on every single match no matter how bad.

As long as he doesn't give the typical thornisms, he is guaranteed an improvement on the former incumbent!

Now just need to get rid of the rest of thorn's dead wood and cov might just might stand a chance!
 
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