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Mark Robins 300 games (1 Viewer)

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Grendel

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  • Feb 19, 2023
  • #36
DannyThomas_1981 said:
Short answer is no with the exceptions being JH and JS. I was also a big fan of the Gordon Milne teams.

I just wish we'd had MR vs. Big Ron and Strachan in the crazy spending days. Big Ron was a disaster and was only here on a fast diminishing reputation, Strachan seemed to always play his favourites, never addressed the defensive issues and 100% failed to evolve the team. And employed sub standard coaches.

On the other hand, MR is ruthless season over season and consistently evolves both his coaching staff and team.

And anyone on here calling for taxis for Robins on the basis of a temporary run of poor form - I'd ban for life.
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ccfcchris

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  • Feb 19, 2023
  • #37
joemercersaces said:
Well I go back as far as Noel Cantwell. He took us to 6th in the top flight and Europe. Gordon Milne 7th, George and John won the FA Cup. Jimmy Hill so far has to be our greatest ever manager but if Mark Robins takes us to the Premier League given what he started with and what he’s had to contend with then I think he surpasses the great man.
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I've supported the club through all those managers and without a doubt Robins surpasses all of them because none of them had to deal with the kind of shite he has had to put up with.
 
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Grendel

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  • Feb 19, 2023
  • #38
ccfcchris said:
I've supported the club through all those managers and without a doubt Robins surpasses all of them because none of them had to deal with the kind of shite he has had to put up with.
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He’s been after Coleman the best supported manager with Sisu by a considerable distance. He also thrives on clubs moving grounds strangely - Milne had to put up with all the clubs money blown on the US experiment - even Gould had the guts taken out the club - it was disappearing down the plug hole when Sillett took over - many managers kept the club in the top division against insurmountable odds which in itself was a huge achievement
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 19, 2023
  • #39
Grendel said:
He’s been after Coleman the best supported manager with Sisu by a considerable distance. He also thrives on clubs moving grounds strangely - Milne had to put up with all the clubs money blown on the US experiment - even Gould had the guts taken out the club - it was disappearing down the plug hole when Sillett took over - many managers kept the club in the top division against insurmountable odds which in itself was a huge achievement
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You do realise this season the quality of SISU’s support amounted to a player being sold to address a cash flow problem they refused to fix themselves…
 
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Grendel

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  • Feb 19, 2023
  • #40
Brighton Sky Blue said:
You do realise this season the quality of SISU’s support amounted to a player being sold to address a cash flow problem they refused to fix themselves…
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Actually that is exactly my point and he was supported in the lower leagues far far more than most managers we had historically

hill sold Garry Thompson under Milne nose and told him he’d got zero money to replace him with - nothing.

You can’t possibly compare Milne or even Gould trying to compete with Liverpool arsenal etc every season Against a manager whose signed relatively priced players in the divisions he’s in

Compare Goulds resources to his in that first season he took over and there’s no comparison - he had a rag tag bunch of Lower league on non league players to survive

The only I guess comparison you can make is how we do in this league against the managers pre 1994 as none of them had the luxury of being a bigger club in a small league

Looking back Milne was a fantastic manager well ahead of his time.
 
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Northants Sky Blue

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  • Feb 19, 2023
  • #41
Grendel said:
Looking back Milne was a fantastic manager well ahead of his time.
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Cultivated 3 great teams in his 7 year spell

His later record at Besiktas was really something
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 19, 2023
  • #42
Grendel said:
Actually that is exactly my point and he was supported in the lower leagues far far more than most managers we had historically

hill sold Garry Thompson under Milne nose and told him he’d got zero money to replace him with - nothing.

You can’t possibly compare Milne or even Gould trying to compete with Liverpool arsenal etc every season Against a manager whose signed relatively priced players in the divisions he’s in

Compare Goulds resources to his in that first season he took over and there’s no comparison - he had a rag tag bunch of Lower league on non league players to survive

The only I guess comparison you can make is how we do in this league against the managers pre 1994 as none of them had the luxury of being a bigger club in a small league

Looking back Milne was a fantastic manager well ahead of his time.
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It just surprises me the lengths you go to in order to play down what Robins has managed. As you well know and have argued before, he was allowed to spend in the lower leagues through the Maddison and Wilson sales-and SISU still helped themselves to cash in that time.

He has done brilliantly, there can’t be much dispute there
 
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Robinshio

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  • Feb 19, 2023
  • #43
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It just surprises me the lengths you go to in order to play down what Robins has managed. As you well know and have argued before, he was allowed to spend in the lower leagues through the Maddison and Wilson sales-and SISU still helped themselves to cash in that time.

He has done brilliantly, there can’t be much dispute there
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some people cant accept when they are wrong - I think this is one of those, and boy has he properly fucked up
even in league 1 we had a mid table budget
in the championship we started with a bottom 2 budget - sometimes not sure if he is on the wind up though, as cant think he believes it
 
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Grendel

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  • Feb 19, 2023
  • #44
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It just surprises me the lengths you go to in order to play down what Robins has managed. As you well know and have argued before, he was allowed to spend in the lower leagues through the Maddison and Wilson sales-and SISU still helped themselves to cash in that time.

He has done brilliantly, theres can’t be much dispute there
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Its a discussion from an historical perspective

I guess you’d want an AI bot to write it and just say Noel Cantwell was the best manager the club ever had
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 19, 2023
  • #45
Robinshio said:
some people cant accept when they are wrong - I think this is one of those, and boy has he properly fucked up
even in league 1 we had a mid table budget
in the championship we started with a bottom 2 budget - sometimes not sure if he is on the wind up though, as cant think he believes it
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What budget did we have when we were in the top flight? Let’s look at 1983?
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 19, 2023
  • #46
Grendel said:
Its a discussion from an historical perspective

I guess you’d want an AI bot to write it and just say Noel Cantwell was the best manager the club ever had
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Do you think Robins has done a good job? Better than good?
 
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Robinshio

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  • Feb 19, 2023
  • #47
Grendel said:
What budget did we have when we were in the top flight? Let’s look at 1983?
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2 years after we had sold one of the most expensive players in british history - anybody can play with statistics
Big Ron had one of the biggest budgets in the league at the time if you are picking individual years

Sillett earned the right to shop at Harrods but again would have been a very competitive budget

and yes Bobby gould purchased the core of our FA cup team if you are looking around 83, but he was not a great manager
Sillett got the best of those players, but Speedie aside his signings weren't as good as Gould's with a much stronger budget -

I have been watching city since 72 - post JH era, so cant comment on that , at this stage Sillett is ahead of Robins, but promotion to the premier league would put Robins number 1 without question. Continued improvement year after year and continually improved the value of our squad , and has more than generated his own budget since he was given Russell Slade's team of misfits

I saw the whole Milne era, and the 77-81 era was good, but ultimately under-achieved with the players we had at a time when finances were so much more even
 
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rexo87

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  • Feb 19, 2023
  • #48
Grendel said:
He’s been after Coleman the best supported manager with Sisu by a considerable distance. He also thrives on clubs moving grounds strangely - Milne had to put up with all the clubs money blown on the US experiment - even Gould had the guts taken out the club - it was disappearing down the plug hole when Sillett took over - many managers kept the club in the top division against insurmountable odds which in itself was a huge achievement
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Robins defo shagged your missus or something

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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 20, 2023
  • #49
Grendel said:
Its a discussion from an historical perspective

I guess you’d want an AI bot to write it and just say Noel Cantwell was the best manager the club ever had
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More deflection as usual. Has Robins done an excellent job-yes or no?
 

robbiekeane

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  • Feb 20, 2023
  • #50
Grendel said:
He also thrives on clubs moving grounds strangely
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Lol this has got to be up there with some of your best work
 
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  • Feb 20, 2023
  • #51
robbiekeane said:
Lol this has got to be up there with some of your best work
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Tbf, Robins also had an impressive rescue with Rotherham when they went to the Don Valley
 

CDK

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  • Feb 20, 2023
  • #52
Gordon Milne was underated but produced good sides and enjoyable football.
 

Skybluedownunder

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  • Feb 20, 2023
  • #53
Saddlebrains said:
We would have had a job considering we were in L1
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Fuck I thought we were in the championship, my bad I don’t remember that far back. All I remember was we were having a great season


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PVA

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  • Feb 20, 2023
  • #54
robbiekeane said:
Lol this has got to be up there with some of your best work
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Evo1883

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  • Feb 20, 2023
  • #55
Grendel said:
What budget did we have when we were in the top flight? Let’s look at 1983?
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You'd have to also acknowledge that the difference between the biggest and smallest spenders / wage bills was infact Nowhere near that of today , at a time where agents didn't exist and a footballer was said pennies compared to today .. different world grendel

If we converted the average top flight wage of 800 pound in 1980 it would convert to 4384 pound today .. which is the average wage in the 3rd tier today probably

In 1983 , a year you want me to look at

Transfer fees

Liverpool spent the equivalent in today's money of 6.9 million (1.69 m )

Coventry spent the equivalent of 3.2 million in today's money (737k)

So as you can clearly see the difference between the best and the smallest is nothing compared to today .

The main difference between coventry and Liverpool back then is they didn't sell their best players .. Coventry did .. typical of our history
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 20, 2023
  • #56
Brighton Sky Blue said:
More deflection as usual. Has Robins done an excellent job-yes or no?
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 20, 2023
  • #57
PVA said:
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Pretty much. Turning a thread about Robins’ 300th game into Gordon Milne and John Sillett
 
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