Man arrested for killing a burglar (2 Viewers)

martcov · Apr 10, 2018

Johnnythespider said:
Is there such a thing as a thieving gene, quite a shocking comment if you don't mind me saying.

There are families of thieves who live by a totally different moral code to most people. They stick together with other likeminded families and intermarry, so they are genetically connected. How much is genetics and how much is way of live which makes them thieves is a good question. The fact that these families see anyone who strikes back against their anti social behaviour in any way as deserving of the family and friends destroying their property or beating them up is frightening.

In their case, the jail sentences which they regularly get should reflect their way of life. As long and hard as they would treat people who, in their opinion, would have wronged them. They get that. Trying to give them a chance or help them avoid reoffending doesn’t compute with them, as this family and others who I have had the misfortune to come across, prove.

Otis · Apr 10, 2018

Grendel said:
It’s interest as a lot of the liberal chattering classes on here often believe in lower jail sentences and one even said prison is just vengeance yet now seen the most rabidly vociferous in their blood lust.

I’ve read something about this gang of renegades and one goes in and out of prison with regularity to the point that he’s off defrauding some hapless victim the minute he’s out.

In the end these people aren’t going to be re-entering society with any hope of contributing anything positive. Longer sentences are more effective as they remove these menaces for longer a rope around the neck after fraud number 3 might have made some of his clan have a serious rethink.

Was agreeing with you there until you said 'rope around his neck.'

I am and will always be totally opposed to the death penalty. Personally, now, here in the 21st century, we have to be more civilised than that and there would without doubt be cases of innocent men and women put to death. Law and justice is pretty much never an exact science.

People like this guy though, should indeed have been behind bars for longer. The justice system must know with a great deal of certainty which prisioners are most definitely going to reoffend once they are out.

Astute · Apr 10, 2018

Johnnythespider said:
Is there such a thing as a thieving gene, quite a shocking comment if you don't mind me saying.

Have you seen how many of his family have spent years inside for crimes committed against pensioners?

Or maybe it is just a traveller thing and they all specialise in different ways of getting money. And his family specialises in robbing off the old.

Astute · Apr 10, 2018

Otis said:
Was agreeing with you there until you said 'rope around his neck.'

I am and will always be totally opposed to the death penalty. Personally, now, here in the 21st century, we have to be more civilised than that and there would without doubt be cases of innocent men and women put to death. Law and justice is pretty much never an exact science.

People like this guy though, should indeed have been behind bars for longer. The justice system must know with a great deal of certainty which prisioners are most definitely going to reoffend once they are out.

If it was up to me I would give a longer sentence each time someone reoffends in the same way as before. If they get ahort sentences and do it again it shows there wasn't enough of a deterrent. And the bonus is that they would be taken off the streets for longer making the streets a safer place.

Johnnythespider · Apr 10, 2018

martcov said:
There are families of thieves who live by a totally different moral code to most people. They stick together with other likeminded families and intermarry, so they are genetically connected. How much is genetics and how much is way of live which makes them thieves is a good question. The fact that these families see anyone who strikes back against their anti social behaviour in any way as deserving of the family and friends destroying their property or beating them up is frightening.

In their case, the jail sentences which they regularly get should reflect their way of life. As long and hard as they would treat people who, in their opinion, would have wronged them. They get that. Trying to give them a chance or help them avoid reoffending doesn’t compute with them, as this family and others who I have had the misfortune to come across, prove.

I have no problem with punishing those that choose this way of life, I like the 3 strikes idea of stiffer sentences incrementally. My problem with Darts comment was to do with not allowing him to procreate and pass on his genes, for one, at what point do we castrate them, at young offenders ?. My belief is that the families you talk of choose that life and they may well raise/bully there offspring into it, but no child is born a burglar.

Otis · Apr 10, 2018

Astute said:
If it was up to me I would give a longer sentence each time someone reoffends in the same way as before. If they get ahort sentences and do it again it shows there wasn't enough of a deterrent. And the bonus is that they would be taken off the streets for longer making the streets a safer place.

I've always advocated a policy of if you get 5 years, you get 5 years. If you get 10 years, you get 10 years. If you behave and adhere to the prison system you serve your sentence and then you get out. Any misbehaviour or disobediance increases your sentence.

You get sent to prison for the allotted length of sentence. Then force them to behave. Obviously, life remains life.

Nick · Apr 10, 2018

The biggest issue is people not actually scared of being sent to prison, in some cases they can make more money there.

Captain Dart · Apr 11, 2018

Johnnythespider said:
Is there such a thing as a thieving gene, quite a shocking comment if you don't mind me saying.

Don't be thick, not literally. Its the behaviour of the society the deceased burglar lived in. You do know he had a history of burgling vulnerable old folk, been at it for years. #c**t

Astute · Apr 11, 2018

Captain Dart said:
Don't be thick, not literally. Its the behaviour of the society the deceased burglar lived in. You do know he had a history of burgling vulnerable old folk, been at it for years. #c**t

And also many of his family including his father. And was on the run for another offence with the person they are looking for concerning this offence and also a woman. So is the woman wanted part of his family?

So the van used has been found burned out at the side of a traveller camp. Why have the police not raided the camp?

If they are travellers why don't they travel?

Astute · Apr 11, 2018

Nick said:
The biggest issue is people not actually scared of being sent to prison, in some cases they can make more money there.

It is seen as a risk worth taking. Some prisons are like holiday camps. 3 meals a day and all the luxuries they need. If they get caught they might get a holiday where they don't choose the destination. And they get all the drugs they need.

Nick · Apr 11, 2018

I can see somebody getting hurt or killed with the beef about the flowers.

People keep sticking up flowers and locals rip them down.

Otis · Apr 11, 2018

Nick said:
I can see somebody getting hurt or killed with the beef about the flowers.

People keep sticking up flowers and locals rip them down.

Costs a lot more to keep buying flowers every time rather than someone using a pair of free scissors and a bit of elbow grease.

Unless they are breaking into old people's houses armed with a screwdriver in order to steal the flowers of course.

clint van damme · Apr 11, 2018

People on my Twitter feed blaming 'the left' for the flowers!! Fucking superb, absolute roasters!
I don't know one person of any political hue who isn't disgusted by these fuckers, some people need to get out into the real world more.

chiefdave · Apr 11, 2018

The flowers thing is weird as they were clearly all put up together. They're identical bunches and in some of the press pictures you can see a couple of women bringing them along by the box.

Astute · Apr 12, 2018

chiefdave said:
The flowers thing is weird as they were clearly all put up together. They're identical bunches and in some of the press pictures you can see a couple of women bringing them along by the box.

People can say what they want about 'travellers' But they do stick together whatever. That is how they get away with everything they do. That is why the police hardly ever go on one of their sites. They know it will most probably end up as a riot. And then they pull the minorities card.

They most probably all put money in and the flowers came from the same place.

Otis · Apr 12, 2018

Astute said:
People can say what they want about 'travellers' But they do stick together whatever. That is how they get away with everything they do. That is why the police hardly ever go on one of their sites. They know it will most probably end up as a riot. And then they pull the minorities card.

They most probably all put money in and the flowers came from the same place.

Yeah, someone else's garden.

Captain Dart · Apr 12, 2018

Someone on R5 sent text the daft sods read out expressing sympathy because the burglars family had to deal with the shame of having raised a crim.

Either unbelievable naivety or it was a wind-up. Sometimes BBC attempt to present balanced opinion goes way too far.

clint van damme · Apr 12, 2018

Captain Dart said:
Someone on R5 sent text the daft sods read out expressing sympathy because the burglars family had to deal with the shame of having raised a crim.

Either unbelievable naivety or it was a wind-up. Sometimes BBC attempt to present balanced opinion goes way too far.

I know people from good families who have gone off the rails and I do have sympathy for the parents but in this case I think a) it was a sentiment probably kept to themselves and b) I don't think the apple fell too far from the tree in this particular case. I doubt there is much shame, more self pity because he came a cropper while going about his scumbag business.

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