So once the collective chip has been removed from shoulder what's the way forward? There's no hope for the country if its going to continue blaming everything on the leadership of somebody who stepped down over 20 years ago
So once the collective chip has been removed from shoulder what's the way forward? There's no hope for the country if its going to continue blaming everything on the leadership of somebody who stepped down over 20 years ago
Ask all the fans who still vilify Richardson. To some of them SISU are blameless because of him.
This is NOT about blaming her for that at all-although many of us do. To me and the vast majority of my friends and family, it's about rejoicing in her death, and wanting it to be acknowledged by a fawning worldwide media (not helped by the BBC nor the terrible The Iron Lady movie) that she was not the heroic figure that she is being dressed up as.
Trouble is she changed everything. It was so radical we are going to continue to feel the repercussions of it for many a year to come.
The damage was severe and the cuts were deep and the scars still remain.
Ask all the fans who still vilify Richardson. To some of them SISU are blameless because of him.
This is NOT about blaming her for that at all-although many of us do. To me and the vast majority of my friends and family, it's about rejoicing in her death, and wanting it to be acknowledged by a fawning worldwide media (not helped by the BBC nor the terrible The Iron Lady movie) that she was not the heroic figure that she is being dressed up as.
So once the collective chip has been removed from shoulder what's the way forward? There's no hope for the country if its going to continue blaming everything on the leadership of somebody who stepped down over 20 years ago
One thing she certainly wasn't was a democrat. Her abuse of the party whip in her second term given her majority essentially ensure that she could do whatever she wanted. No wonder she thought she was the Queen...I based my dissertation on it and got a good grade
Liverpool fans are celebrating and tbh rightly so what she said and did about Hillsborough disaster was awful.
Snooty accent was a false one. Completely false person.
I will never have any good word for Thatcher.
So far media seems and even Tories are not going over the top. Her controversial politics are being openly discussed. I think even the so called one nation Tories are ashamed by her. Ultra right wing still in support. Ever the diplomat Douglas Hurd said perhaps she should have left office sooner. The real truth about her WILL hopefully come out.
The failings of the abomination of New Labour do not in any way detract from the evil's of Thatcherism; Blair was a traitor to his party who has betrayed it's principles (as to a degree is Cameron). Blair has more in common with Thatcher than he does any Socialist. He admired Thatcher and was inspired by her. How does that make you people who love Maggie and hate Blair feel? You MUST know jack shit about politics if you think that they were on different sides!
Yeah, but Bazza you are missing my point.
I agree with what you say, but the rhetoric from Thatcher at the time was that the Falklands was British through and through and belonged to us and was British sovereign country. A sort of 'over our dead bodies' and 'we'll fight them on the beaches' attitude
Yet just before this she was negotiating to hand the islands back.
This then therefore very much doubts the sincerity of her words during the conflict.
Can you reference this "negotiating"?
There's a strong argument that the present benefit reforms go much further than she ever could-yet of course it's thanks to her legacy that they are able to do so.
Can you reference this "negotiating"?
Mrs Thatcher helps to clean up our streets.
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1965 saw a United Nations resolution passed which requested that Britain and Argentina negotiate a solution to the sovereignty question with a view to finding a peaceful resolution to the problem. The next 17 years saw tortuous diplomatic negotiations as successive governments and negotiators on both sides sought to seek a compromise that was happy for the Argentines, for the British and, most critically of all, for the Falkland Islanders.
It did not help the Argentinian cause for a string of military governments to seize control of the country and rule with horrendous human rights' violations. The so-called 'Dirty War' saw myriad opponents of the regime 'disappeared'. They were often tortured and some were even thrown from aircraft or helicopters into the South Atlantic. Falkland Islanders naturally assumed that they might expect to end up as victims of these fascist military regimes should the Argentines take control of the islands. These military dictatorships had ruled Argentina on and off since the time of Peron at the end of the Second World War.
The British government found it diplomatically difficult to hand over 1,800 people who did not want to leave the protection of their mother country. There were various ideas floated for sharing or transferring elements of sovereignty.
Even as late as 1980, the British government under the direction of Nicholas Ridley was trying to push the idea of a 'leaseback', where the islands would be given to Argentina and then leased back by Britain for a 99 year period. Ridley had entered into secret negotiations with his Argentine counterpart to see if they could come to a compromise that would please both sides. But even this idea was too unpalatable to the Falkland Islanders who did not wish to cede any sovereignty to the Argentines under any circumstances and certainly not to one ruled by Fascist military juntas.
The Foreign Secretary, Lord Carrington, could see that the discussions were polarising opinion in the islands and making a deal less likely rather than more. Besides, he did not wish to put too much pressure on islanders who had access to a sympathetic lobby in Britain and especially amongst the Conservative establishment. Ridley was promoted out of his job and replaced by the more relaxed Richard Luce. Unfortunately, this relaxation in pushing the Falkland Islanders antagonised the Argentinians who were increasingly of the opinion that negotiations with the British were becoming pointless and were not going to see result in an eventual transfer of sovereignty. It did not help that Britain sent further confused messages to the Argentines when it came to demonstrating their continued long-term commitment to the islands.
Different times though-burning at the stake was legitimate in his time.
For Henry, I was more referring to the dissolution of the monasteries - nasty business there.
Whatever happened to childhood? We're all scared of the kids in our neighborhood They're not small, charming and harmless They're a violent bunch of bastard little shits
And anyone who looks younger than me Makes me check for my wallet, my phone and my keys And I'm tired of being tired out Always being on the lookout for thieving gifts
We're all wondering how we ended up so scared We spent ten long years teaching our kids not to care And that there's no such thing as society anyway
And all the rich folks act surprised When all sense of community dies But you just closed your eyes to the other side Of all the things that she did Thatcher fucked the kids
And it seems a little bit rich to me The way the rich only ever talk of charity In times like the seventies, the broken down economy Meant even the upper tier was needing some help
But as soon as things look brighter Yeah the grin gets wider and the grip gets tighter And for every teenage tracksuit mugger There's a guy in a suit who wouldn't lift a finger for anybody else
You've got a generation raised on the welfare state Enjoyed all its benefits and did just great But as soon as they were settled as the richest of the rich They kicked away the ladder, told the rest of us that life's a bitch
And it's no surprise that all the fuck-ups Didn't show up until the kids had grown up But when no one ever smiles or ever helps a stranger Is it any fucking wonder our society's in danger of collapse?
So all the kids are bastards But don't blame them, yeah, they learn by example Blame the folks who sold the future for the highest bid That's right, Thatcher fucked the kids
It's hard not to draw a parallel between the present lot and her...they are her dirty spawn, after all. And I include Clegg in that-my dad always said when I was a kid "never trust a Lib Dem, they're just Tories trying to sound nice". He wasn't far wrong!
The ideology of this government is the same: slash benefits, kick sand in the eyes of Local Government, grind the poor into the dirt whilst the rich get richer.
TBH though Wingy, there wasn't any extra need for a backlash against this administration, there's plenty of hatred there already.
Brendan Rogers gained a lot of respect for his comments. I'd love to hear an attempt at a minutes silence for her in front of Anfield!
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