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Maddison to Ireland? (2 Viewers)

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Wyken Sky Blue

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  • Aug 26, 2019
  • #71
JimmyHillsbeard said:
Ireland presumably would like to retaliate for Damien Rice’s switch to England.
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JimmyHillsbeard

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  • Aug 26, 2019
  • #72
skyblue1991 said:

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Of course I meant Declan McManus
 

Alkhen

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  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #73
Maddison is in the England squad, only have to give him 5 mins to lock him in don't they

 

clint van damme

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  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #74
Alkhen said:
Maddison is in the England squad, only have to give him 5 mins to lock him in don't they

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and hopefully that gets us some windfall.
 

Alkhen

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  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #75
clint van damme said:
and hopefully that gets us some windfall.
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I'm sure its been debated before but isn't the fact he has moved from Norwich meant we lose any international appearance bonuses?

I believe we should still get a percentage of a percentage of whatever Norwich receive if and when Leicester sell him
 

clint van damme

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  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #76
Alkhen said:
I'm sure its been debated before but isn't the fact he has moved from Norwich meant we lose any international appearance bonuses?

I believe we should still get a percentage of a percentage of whatever Norwich receive if and when Leicester sell him
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you could be right, though putting an international clause in there is a bit hopeful when selling to a Championship side I'd have thought.
 
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Magwitch

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  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #77
Apparently Norwich get some money from Leicester and we get a slice off Norwich, every little helps.
 

ccfc92

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  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #78
Alkhen said:
I'm sure its been debated before but isn't the fact he has moved from Norwich meant we lose any international appearance bonuses?

I believe we should still get a percentage of a percentage of whatever Norwich receive if and when Leicester sell him
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Other way round I thought...
 

Warwickhunt

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  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #79
As Anderson said that the contract he agreed with Norwich for Maddison will keep us in income for years to come. Luvley Jubbly
 

covmark

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  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #80
Warwickhunt said:
As Anderson said that the contract he agreed with Norwich for Maddison will keep us in income for years to come. Luvley Jubbly
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I remember Anderson saying that. Maybe we had a clause that said we have 10/15% of whatever Norwich ever receive from selling him on. Hopefully Norwich had a £20m international appearance clause in their sale to Leicester haha.

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #81
ccfc92 said:
Other way round I thought...
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I think the thought is that any international appearance bonus/clause would only relate to while at Norwich rather than just 'at any point in his career' even if he'd been sold on. It can't just be tagged on indefinitely if a player moves. Depends on the wording in the contract I suppose.

I imagine Norwich put in a bonus regarding international appearances so would be due something and we might have a percentage clause on future income Norwich make so we might be due a bit of that. Again depends on wording - is it a 'sell-on' clause or a 'future profit' clause.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #82
It’s quite surreal seeing 2 of our academy players in the squad, despite it being England , it makes me proud.
 
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Alkhen

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  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #83
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I think the thought is that any international appearance bonus/clause would only relate to while at Norwich rather than just 'at any point in his career' even if he'd been sold on. It can't just be tagged on indefinitely if a player moves. Depends on the wording in the contract I suppose.

I imagine Norwich put in a bonus regarding international appearances so would be due something and we might have a percentage clause on future income Norwich make so we might be due a bit of that. Again depends on wording - is it a 'sell-on' clause or a 'future profit' clause.
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Agreed, can't see how you could foster over appearance bonuses after 2nd or 3rd moves. Would be really unmanageable.

I guess it's possible we negotiated a deal where we would be due a percentage of any profit made by Norwich from all clauses and sell ons they have in place with Leicester. But again imagine how complicated that would get if he say moves 6 times in his career.

We probably did have an international cap clause in place whilst he stayed a Norwich player on the off chance he was there long enough to get cap but that would have end when he left.

There will definitely be a small standard percentage of future sales because we trained him. There is a name for it. Possibly a solidarity payment.

The rumour are that we also have an extra more juicy cut of whatever sell on percentage Norwich agreed with Leicester for when Leicester sell him.

Total speculation and using made up figures it might work like this.

Say Man U pay Leicester 90m for Maddison. Norwich get 20% of that, so Norwich get 18m of which Coventry get 10%. Netting us 1.8m
 
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Magwitch

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  • Aug 30, 2019
  • #84
Alkhen said:
Agreed, can't see how you could foster over appearance bonuses after 2nd or 3rd moves. Would be really unmanageable.

I guess it's possible we negotiated a deal where we would be due a percentage of any profit made by Norwich from all clauses and sell ons they have in place with Leicester. But again imagine how complicated that would get if he say moves 6 times in his career.

We probably did have an international cap clause in place whilst he stayed a Norwich player on the off chance he was there long enough to get cap but that would have end when he left.

There will definitely be a small standard percentage of future sales because we trained him. There is a name for it. Possibly a solidarity payment.

The rumour are that we also have an extra more juicy cut of whatever sell on percentage Norwich agreed with Leicester for when Leicester sell him.

Total speculation and using made up figures it might work like this.

Say Man U pay Leicester 90m for Maddison. Norwich get 20% of that, so Norwich get 18m of which Coventry get 10%. Netting us 1.8m
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No wonder Joy won’t sell up.
 

Alkhen

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  • Aug 30, 2019
  • #85
Magwitch said:
No wonder Joy won’t sell up.
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I'd imagine the Callum Wilson deal is more of a factor in their minds.

Cov have surely got to have at least 10-15% due of whatever Bournemouth make?
 

Alkhen

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  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #86
I'd be pretty fecked off if I was Maddison after this weeks England games. Not even given a 5 min cameo to lock him in.

Madders has consistently been topping chances created and assist charts across 2 seasons

I know Berkley is rated but I don't really see it personally and how did Mason Mount jump the queue like that? Good player but has played a handful of prem games.

Does Southgate have beef with him or something??
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #87
As far as I know we still get paid by Norwich as it was part of the transfer fee . Same if you paid in instalments over 3 years you still have to pay if you sell him after 1

But yeah - Southgate is a twat, How Mount gets ahead is beyond me... you could guarantee Lingard would have played ahead of him if he was fit
 
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chiefdave

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  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #88
Alkhen said:
how did Mason Mount jump the queue like that?
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Plays for Chelsea.
 
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Alkhen

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  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #89
Fuck it I'm putting a few quid on him being in the next Ireland squad.
 

Sbarcher

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  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #90
Amazed he hasn’t had a run out in these two waste of games. I too wonder if there’s more to it than meets the eye. Should have been a certainty for at least one of these easy games.
 

Alkhen

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  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #91
I recon Madders has been messing around with Gareth's daughter...

 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #92
From what I understand there is extra emphasis placed on those who have progressed through the England underage groups with the ‘England DNA’

The FA unveils plan to change England team's DNA
 
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SBAndy

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  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #93
SlowerThanPlatt said:
From what I understand there is extra emphasis placed on those who have progressed through the England underage groups with the ‘England DNA’

The FA unveils plan to change England team's DNA
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Like Declan Rice? Who, by the way, isn’t that good.
 
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Tommo1993

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  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #94
Remember when Barkley was tipped to be the next Gascoigne...

Wouldn’t have Barkley or Rice or Keane near the team personally.
 
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stupot07

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  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #95
SlowerThanPlatt said:
From what I understand there is extra emphasis placed on those who have progressed through the England underage groups with the ‘England DNA’

The FA unveils plan to change England team's DNA
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Yeah looks like you're on to something there.



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Alkhen

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  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #96
Tommo1993 said:
Remember when Barkley was tipped to be the next Gascoigne...

Wouldn’t have Barkley or Rice or Keane near the team personally.
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I think we need to try and nurture Rice. Really will need a holding/destroyer type player in some games.

Berkley and Keane are not for me
 

CJ_covblaze

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  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #97
Didn’t get Maddison’s omission this break. He deserves a chance to show what he can do and hopefully that’ll come in a few weeks. Have to say I enjoyed that tonight. One or two moments where I was tearing my hair out but overall it was an enjoyable game to watch. Both teams seemed to say throw defending out of the window and went for it. Plenty of goals and best of all it wasn’t at Wembley. MOTM was Sterling. Barkley looked very good and they struggled to deal with him. Same goes for Sancho.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #98
stupot07 said:
Yeah looks like you're on to something there.



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Then they need to start looking to the lower levels to start the Maddison’s of this world at the England age groups.

It was clear Maddison was going to be a star at 16. If Pressley knew it, why didn’t the England teams.

I’m starting to think it’s pointless for lower leagues to emphasise youth, they don’t get compensated fairly, and the players they do bring through seem to be ignored.
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #99
It probably worked out better for us he weren’t selected for England tbf at that age. We had Charlie McCann who played a few games for Eng U16s and got snapped up by United
 

Alkhen

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  • Sep 11, 2019
  • #100
CJ_covblaze said:
Didn’t get Maddison’s omission this break. He deserves a chance to show what he can do and hopefully that’ll come in a few weeks. Have to say I enjoyed that tonight. One or two moments where I was tearing my hair out but overall it was an enjoyable game to watch. Both teams seemed to say throw defending out of the window and went for it. Plenty of goals and best of all it wasn’t at Wembley. MOTM was Sterling. Barkley looked very good and they struggled to deal with him. Same goes for Sancho.
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Really like Sancho, need to play him and Sterling from now on. Rashford can cover Kane.

Barkley made one decent run then flopped. Not for me at all. England need a classy ball player if playing Henderson and Rice
 

Otis

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  • Sep 11, 2019
  • #101
SlowerThanPlatt said:
From what I understand there is extra emphasis placed on those who have progressed through the England underage groups with the ‘England DNA’

The FA unveils plan to change England team's DNA
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Yes, get all that, but we could have surely brought Maddison on just for s few minutes to tie him in to England.

Going to look pretty dumb if he now plumps for Ireland. We haven't been overly blessed in the midfield playmaker department lately have we!

I do have high hopes for Phil Foden though.
 
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Wyken Sky Blue

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  • Sep 11, 2019
  • #102
Maddison deserves his chance. He's a player that plays well consistently and doesn't really go missing in games against the top 4.

How Barkley, Rice, Lingard when fit and Mount (albeit I do rate him) get in ahead I have no idea.

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Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Sep 11, 2019
  • #103
Won't be surprised if Maddison gets a few minutes and then is ignored for the 'usual' average lot. Phil Foden (who will be a star) will be established there within the next 2 seasons amd i wonder if they will just keep picking 2 holding players behind him, still leaving Maddison out - criminal waste of phis passing ability.
 

skyblueeyesrevisited

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  • Sep 11, 2019
  • #104
It’s the way it’s always been with England Managers. The preference is to pick from the top four teams. If Maddison moves to Man United he will be in the starting eleven. It’s the same with the age groups. Average youngsters get picked based on the fact they play for one of the top sides. Better plays at smaller academies get overlooked.
 

ccfctommy

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  • Sep 11, 2019
  • #105
Mount has had a better start to the season. You guys realise 'Madders' doesn't play for us no more right? Other football please.
 
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